Fried Chicken posted:

George Allen, 2006.

Cheekio posted:

This might be the most racist thing I've ever read.

Fried Chicken posted:

George Allen, 2006.

JT Jag posted:

I'm almost willing to bet that by 2016 a Republican congressman or congressional candidate will be caught on tape saying friend of the family, possibly referring to the President but probably not (that's honestly too on the nose), and he will be broadly defended for it instead of being asked to step down, and that'll be the Akin moment.

mcmagic posted:

Behold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbnRnhrNFEY

AsInHowe posted:

It's actually a smart bet to make.

Here's how this would play out, in a scenario that fits exactly into the Republican media bubble.

- Candidate X, in answering a question about social programs, casually uses the n-word in context, at the end of a sentence that would be damning even if he didn't use that word. His town hall audience bursts into cheers, like he just won the election. This candidate would be from a completely red district, where his campaign is basically a victory lap. He has no real chance of losing, and he's a relative unknown because his race is so lopsided.

- A Democratic party staffer immediately uploads the tape onto YouTube, where it immediately goes viral. Some random candidate is now the major talking point in national politics.

- Every media outlet rushes to condemn the guy, as soon as possible, after being taken aback from someone actually using that word in public.

- Politicians on both sides of the aisle condemn the guy, condemn his words, and condemn the offensive word specifically.

- Every conservative media outlet rushes to the guy's defense, by trying to pin blame on the media reporting on the story, blaming the Dems for having a staffer there, and by blaming black people and rap music in a bizarre defense of free speech.

- Rush Limbaugh wades into the controversy, proclaiming that he's the voice of true conservatism, and he thinks it's patriotic and American to use that word, before dropping a Dr. Laura-esque string of n-bombs. The rest of conservative radio either takes that cue and begins using that word as much as possible, or the hose does not use that word and his callers lash out at him for being a RINO.

- Because of Limbaugh, the conservatives that originally bashed the guy soften their tone, or have a chance of heart, as the racist portion of the base starts threatening them for not being conservative enough.

- Individual politicians have town halls disrupted by people shouting racial slurs, or demanding that the candidate speaking use racial slurs. This turns into situations like the health care town halls, only now with overt racism.

- All of the poll numbers for Republican candidates have huge drops, as the party is painted as the party of racists. Even if the local candidate condemns the racism, the national narrative is of the Racist Republican Summer. Naturally, the party rallies around a guy saying the poll numbers are all false, because the people sampled aren't identifying as Republicans any more, so all the polls are secretly skewed. In their reality, saying racist things makes the poll numbers skyrocket, so more conservatives demand that their local candidate say racist things on tape.

- Bizarrely enough, overt racism becomes the most memorable thing about the political summer, and as election day approaches, lots of political commentators talk about how they never saw anything like this coming, this is completely unexpected, et cetera.

- On Election Day, the Republicans get their asses kicked on every level. Any purple districts or states go for the Democrats, as the only Republican wins come from places where they basically couldn't lose. The Democrats keep control of the Senate, widening their lead, while also taking back a bunch of House seats. The Republicans insist that they were cheated somehow, and that they only need to say even more racist things in 2016.

fool_of_sound posted:

fool_of_sound posted:

*Regarding the fantasy scenario*

AsInHowe posted:

That whole scenario just happened in regards to rape in 2012. That whole thing. It just happened.

And it can happen again, because that's what the base wants to have happen.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I don't think they had any sort of plan beyond "acquire money and prestige for our buddies." Part of the reason it became such a disaster is because there just kind of wasn't any sort of solid plan and Bush and pals were having none of it when top-ranking strategists told them their ideas were dumb. One of the top generals literally got fired when he said to Bush that, to achieve anything they wanted to (whatever the gently caress that was) they needed to at least double the troops that were over there. Bush's attitude was along the lines of "well you need to think positively and saying we might fail if we do not do a thing is not thinking positively." Yeah, Bush was literally arguing that you could just positively think a war to victory. That's part of why people think he's a drooling idiot.

Afghanistan turned into a complete disaster very quickly with no plan other than "I don't know send some dudes over and have them go look for Osama or something" after more or less declaring war on the world. Saddam was picked up rather quickly and nobody found a single WMD to dismantle (because they didn't exist) so everybody was standing around holding their dicks going "OK, now what?"

Really, there was some nebulous "end terrorism" goals set but it was so non-specific it was impossible to plan around. Meanwhile the Bush policies toward the wars ended up just making the problems worse. It was like putting out fires with kerosene.

It reflected his policies on literally everything else, really. His attitude was "I think this will work so it will work. I'll just do like whatever, if you criticize it you're a dummy and need to think more positively. Anything bad that happens due to my policy isn't my fault because I think positive." That line of magical thinking doesn't make somebody sound like a pillar of intellectualism. It's also part of why people think he's an idiot. That attitude actually makes it impossible to learn or improve.

AsInHowe posted:

That whole scenario just happened in regards to rape in 2012. That whole thing. It just happened.

And it can happen again, because that's what the base wants to have happen.

zoux posted:

I have gone to foxnews.com so you don't have to and, for some reason, they aren't allowing commenting on articles about Bundy being a huge racist! Not even on the foxnation site.

His statements do, however, only strengthen his assertion that he is like one of the founding fathers.

zoux posted:

I have gone to foxnews.com so you don't have to and, for some reason, they aren't allowing commenting on articles about Bundy being a huge racist! Not even on the foxnation site.

His statements do, however, only strengthen his assertion that he is like one of the founding fathers.

quote:

Instead of allowing yourselves to be herded towards the conclusion that Bundy is a racist, why not read his actual words and think about what he's saying. Blacks, back in the days of slavery, were productive and seemed content. They sang, whistled, raised their families (most of whom, despite Hollywood's depiction, were NOT separated and sold off). A huge percentage of blacks today are filled with hate and refuse to be productive. They've latched onto the government teat and remain there, generation after generation, living off the labors of productive members of society, yet blame whites for ALL their woes. THAT is the point Bundy is making and truth isn't racist, it's just truth.

AsInHowe posted:

That whole scenario just happened in regards to rape in 2012. That whole thing. It just happened.

And it can happen again, because that's what the base wants to have happen.

AsInHowe posted:

It's actually a smart bet to make.

Here's how this would play out, in a scenario that fits exactly into the Republican media bubble.

- Candidate X, in answering a question about social programs, casually uses the n-word in context, at the end of a sentence that would be damning even if he didn't use that word. His town hall audience bursts into cheers, like he just won the election. This candidate would be from a completely red district, where his campaign is basically a victory lap. He has no real chance of losing, and he's a relative unknown because his race is so lopsided.

- A Democratic party staffer immediately uploads the tape onto YouTube, where it immediately goes viral. Some random candidate is now the major talking point in national politics.

- Every media outlet rushes to condemn the guy, as soon as possible, after being taken aback from someone actually using that word in public.

- Politicians on both sides of the aisle condemn the guy, condemn his words, and condemn the offensive word specifically.

- Every conservative media outlet rushes to the guy's defense, by trying to pin blame on the media reporting on the story, blaming the Dems for having a staffer there, and by blaming black people and rap music in a bizarre defense of free speech.

- Rush Limbaugh wades into the controversy, proclaiming that he's the voice of true conservatism, and he thinks it's patriotic and American to use that word, before dropping a Dr. Laura-esque string of n-bombs. The rest of conservative radio either takes that cue and begins using that word as much as possible, or the hose does not use that word and his callers lash out at him for being a RINO.

- Because of Limbaugh, the conservatives that originally bashed the guy soften their tone, or have a chance of heart, as the racist portion of the base starts threatening them for not being conservative enough.

- Individual politicians have town halls disrupted by people shouting racial slurs, or demanding that the candidate speaking use racial slurs. This turns into situations like the health care town halls, only now with overt racism.

- All of the poll numbers for Republican candidates have huge drops, as the party is painted as the party of racists. Even if the local candidate condemns the racism, the national narrative is of the Racist Republican Summer. Naturally, the party rallies around a guy saying the poll numbers are all false, because the people sampled aren't identifying as Republicans any more, so all the polls are secretly skewed. In their reality, saying racist things makes the poll numbers skyrocket, so more conservatives demand that their local candidate say racist things on tape.

- Bizarrely enough, overt racism becomes the most memorable thing about the political summer, and as election day approaches, lots of political commentators talk about how they never saw anything like this coming, this is completely unexpected, et cetera.

- On Election Day, the Republicans get their asses kicked on every level. Any purple districts or states go for the Democrats, as the only Republican wins come from places where they basically couldn't lose. The Democrats keep control of the Senate, widening their lead, while also taking back a bunch of House seats. The Republicans insist that they were cheated somehow, and that they only need to say even more racist things in 2016.

Inglonias posted:

Yeah, I highly doubt something like that would happen, as much as I would love to see it. The Republican establishment isn't dumb enough to let that sort of thing play out.

zoux posted:

Except if you want to use this Bundy thing as a test case, literally no one is defending his views on race, they are all calling him a terrible racist. Their argument is that his views on race are immaterial to his dispute with the BLM and the issues of personal liberty surrounding that. The GOP political machine is not dumb, they are not going to defend someone who literally says the n-word.

quote:

it’s not exactly a coincidence that Bundy also turns out to be a gigantic racist. Just like Ron Paul’s longtime ghostwriter turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. And like the way Rand Paul’s ghostwriter also turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. Presumably all these revelations have struck Tuccille as a series of shocking coincidences. Why do all these people with strong antipathy toward the federal government turn out to be racists? Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?

Radish posted:

I found an article about his recent speech on the Daily Mail's site and the comments were mostly criticizing him for being a racist and similar opinions, then I started seeing some stuff like this:


"You guys don't understand what's he's saying: that black people are inferior geez how could you be so wrong??" I'm pretty sure Fox News knows their audience well enough that they don't want to even try and moderate stuff like that.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Jesus Christ, how exactly does one respond to the "it's not racist to say black people are moochers and blame everyone and everything but themselves for their woes, because it's true " canard?

fool_of_sound posted:

No one is going to defend anyone saying friend of the family and keep their job.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Jesus Christ, how exactly does one respond to the "it's not racist to say black people are moochers and blame everyone and everything but themselves for their woes, because it's true " canard?

Captain_Maclaine posted:

With profanities, and possibly violence.

Fried Chicken posted:

Bundy is on Alex Hones asking the NYT to retract the quotes on the basis of it not being true or at least missing context

Meanwhile video of the quote has appeared online

zoux posted:

I have gone to foxnews.com so you don't have to and, for some reason, they aren't allowing commenting on articles about Bundy being a huge racist! Not even on the foxnation site.

His statements do, however, only strengthen his assertion that he is like one of the founding fathers.

zoux posted:

What context is he saying could possibly justify what he said? Or is he not offering anything other than "I didn't say the things that you have me on video tape saying"?

Fried Chicken posted:

Again, George Allen, 2006

quote:

In the course of their investigation, authorities also learned the stunning details of Miller’s arrest a year earlier. Raleigh police officers had caught Miller in the back seat of a vehicle, in mid-act with a black male prostitute masquerading as a woman.

“It was pretty shocking,” says McCullough, “because of his personal stances that he had taken and what he was now accused on engaging in.”

McCullough says he has read the police report of the incident but declined to comment on the specifics. “I would rather not go into the details,” he said. “They’re rather salacious. I think the facts speak for themselves and people can draw their own conclusions about how incongruous that is.”

AsInHowe posted:

In other news involving heavily armed racist old men, Frazier Glenn Miller got arrested for having sex with a black male hooker that was dressed as a woman in the 1980's.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/04/accused-kansas-shooter-was-protected-federal-witness-but-hateful-ways-continued/

forbidden lesbian posted:

I thought he said macawca or something, not friend of the family. I know, they're both racist terms, but that doesn't mean people treat them like they are. That is too say, people were all like "he didn't know it was racist" and got away with it, but nobody will believe you if you say that about friend of the family.

forbidden lesbian posted:

I thought he said macawca or something, not friend of the family. I know, they're both racist terms, but that doesn't mean people treat them like they are. That is too say, people were all like "he didn't know it was racist" and got away with it, but nobody will believe you if you say that about friend of the family.

forbidden lesbian posted:

I thought he said macawca or something, not friend of the family. I know, they're both racist terms, but that doesn't mean people treat them like they are. That is too say, people were all like "he didn't know it was racist" and got away with it, but nobody will believe you if you say that about friend of the family.