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Oliver Reed posted:The Nightmare on Elm Street remake is so loving bad. I thought and still think Rooney Mara is a good actress but everything in that movie was awful, especially Freddy's dialogue. Anyone care enough to defend it? I feel like someone around here defends that movie, but yeah I'm in the "atrociously loving bad" camp.
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I used to frequent a message board where (I think) one of the writers of the new Nightmare on Elm Street posted. He worked on the The Thing prequel, too. If I remember correctly, he got his career started by writing this Internet scary story about houses that eat people. Honestly, I haven't seen the Nightmare on Elm Street remake, but, yeah, apparently it's terrible, and the The Thing prequel just kind of seemed to miss a lot of what made the original so great (the tension, the uncertainty, the atmosphere).
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Apr 24, 2014 17:53
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I will defend that the Drug Store scene in NoES 2012 was legitimately scary. Other than that, the entire movie was a mess of 1 and New Nightmare, with the most trite "flip through photos - Oh NOOOoooooooo" scene imaginable at the end.
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Apr 24, 2014 21:05
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I need to rewatch the NoES remake because I have absolutely no memory of it. I can't picture the main character, I can't think of a single scene, I have no recollection of the plot whatsoever. That can't be a good sign, but I like to give movies two shots.
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Apr 24, 2014 21:23
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there was no geyser scene in the nightmare remake. if that was there, it would've been a way better movie and you wouldn't have had to change anything else about it.
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Apr 24, 2014 21:36
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Basebf555 posted:I need to rewatch the NoES remake because I have absolutely no memory of it. I can't picture the main character, I can't think of a single scene, I have no recollection of the plot whatsoever. That can't be a good sign, but I like to give movies two shots. It's really bad. The kids are stupid idiots, they try and split the difference between scary-Freddy and "Welcome to Prime Time, Bitch!" and it doesn't work. The director seems to only want Jackie Earl Haley to do "Rorshach but with a claw glove" and it's just bad-bad-BAD. One of the things Nightmare did was tie in the real-world cause of death to the dream-slaying (so Freddy sucks the life out of a girl in NoES 4; IRL she has an asthma attack). I don't recall them ever doing anything like that in NoES 2012, they just sort of die. I would say instead of giving it a second chance, rewatch 4 (best kills) or 1 (best everything else). Also, no tongue-phone in NoES 2012, so 
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Cole posted:there was no geyser scene in the nightmare remake. if that was there, it would've been a way better movie and you wouldn't have had to change anything else about it. There was like a pseudo-geyser scene but it was really bad CGI and then Freddy made a wet dream joke about it. Ugh.
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Apr 24, 2014 21:43
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:There was like a pseudo-geyser scene but it was really bad CGI and then Freddy made a wet dream joke about it. Basically they ripped off the stupid parts of the earlier movies (bad jokes and the plot/weakness from Freddy's Dead) without using the cool parts (actually being scary, tongue-phone, blood geyser)
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Phylodox posted:I used to frequent a message board where (I think) one of the writers of the new Nightmare on Elm Street posted. He worked on the The Thing prequel, too. If I remember correctly, he got his career started by writing this Internet scary story about houses that eat people. Did he really work on both of those movies 'cause that's kinda sad since Dionaea House was way out in front of the whole "creepypasta" thing and is actually pretty good. Lets! Get! Weird! fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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The three leads are good, the micronaps idea is fun. That's all I got.
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Lets! Get! Weird! posted:Did he really work on both of those movies 'cause that's kinda sad since Dioanaea House was out in front of the whole "creepypasta" thing and is actually pretty good. Unfortunately. I agree that that story is probably the best of the creepypastas out there that I've come across. For those not clicking the link, he has the story of a killer house told through blog posts, and gets real meta with it, having extra characters come into the comments sections, and having you follow to their blogs as well to read simultaneously to get the full story. Though he suddenly overreaches himself with the last blogger, it's a story that honestly left me chilled and uncertain in my own house for weeks after I read it. Regarding defending the NoES Remake, I did really like how they ended up putting seeds of doubt about Freddy's initial guilt, pre-barbecue. I only wishe they had had the conviction to keep that plot point. On the other hand, it really disappointed me that they had pretty much zero dream logic going on in the film. That was kind of what made the movies worth a drat in the first place. Gaz2k21 posted:For a big Jolly looking dude he's pretty terrifying in that movie, in fact most of the cast do a pretty good job. George Wendt really has been underused in his lifetime as an actor, thanks to Cheers. He was also great in his Masters of Horror episode, "Family". John Landis may be an awful, awful man, but he makes some pretty chilling horror when he's not tempering it with comedy.
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Tharizdun posted:One of the things Nightmare did was tie in the real-world cause of death to the dream-slaying (so Freddy sucks the life out of a girl in NoES 4; IRL she has an asthma attack). I don't recall them ever doing anything like that in NoES 2012, they just sort of die. That's one of my favorite aspects of the original. Tina gets killed apparently by her boyfriend who was flaunting his knife earlier; then her boyfriend hangs himself in prison. Then uh...Johnny Depp gets sucked into a bed/drowns in a blood geyser...but hey it worked for a little bit.
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The NoES remake was fair, but what hurt it most was the lost potential. They did NOT need to try and remake the original. If they wanted to redo an origin story, fine, but don't copy the characters and situations. Since they decided to try to make a scary Freddy, they should've went all out with it. We now have CGI where you could put anything you want on screen; you have a character that can alter reality at will. DON'T MAKE HIM A STUPID JUMP SCARE VILLIAN, HE HAS THE MOST POTENTIAL TO BE THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT. He should taunt you by showing you poo poo you don't want to see and by confusing you. He can still toy with the victims without wisecracks, which would make him seem even more evil and scarier. Such potential for body horror and confusion and they didn't even bother. If you're gonna remake Nightmare, don't waste the raw potential it has.
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Choco1980 posted:Regarding defending the NoES Remake, I did really like how they ended up putting seeds of doubt about Freddy's initial guilt, pre-barbecue. This is one of the things that bugged me the most about the remake. It was a neat idea that amounted to absolutely nothing. It ended up being padding to stretch out the running time. The main characters are told that they were molested by Freddy. For whatever reason, they refuse to believe this and go off on a mission to find their old school (nearly dying in the process) and uncover the truth... which turns out to be exactly what they were already told. They could have just, you know, stayed home and had the final confrontation with Freddy in Nancy's home (like they should have).
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weekly font posted:The three leads are good, the micronaps idea is fun. That's all I got. Yep this is how I feel about it as well. I remember seeing Rooney Mara for the first time in that movie and thinking "this girl is going to be in movies much better than this soon". Jackie Earle Haley is really creepy (although the writing for Freddy is BAD) and Kyle Gallner is surprisingly likeable. Most of the kills are taken straight from the original film, except where they were really cool practical effects in that movie, it's just CGI here (and bad CGI at that). The worst one is when a vlogger gets killed in a YouTube video. Who uploaded it???
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I never really cared for the Elm Street franchise, at least not the way I did Friday the 13th, because it never really seems like the characters in Nightmare have a fighting chance until the veeery end when they suddenly make something up, like Freddy hates mirrors or whatever. (Generally. 1 and 3 had more going on.) But the Never Sleep Again documentary turned me on to how brilliant Freddy's design is, and it's kind of been a quiet obsession of mine ever since. Knife fingers, because the most primitive kind of human fear would be fear of clawed animals. Red and green, because they're harshly contrasting colors, and red, of course, is the color of blood. He goes after children, the most vulnerable members of society. He goes after you when you dream, which mimics reality, and you have absolutely no protection from falling into. They very cleverly and uniquely tapped into some very scary poo poo with every aspect of Freddy. The remake inadvertently clued me into something else, because they bafflingly made him resemble actual burn victims.  He looks like that Venezuelan lady that was on Oprah.  At his worst, Freddy make-up looks like a dude in make-up.  In New Nightmare, he was more like a demon, which was fitting for the fairy tale structure.  But at his best, Freddy looks like something that shouldn't loving be alive.  Try to look at him with new eyes. He looks like he should be in immense pain just standing there. He looks like he's currently burning alive, right now, and you just can't see the flames. It's loving horrific. No wonder we were all scared shitless of him as kids. Cubone fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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weekly font posted:The three leads are good, the micronaps idea is fun. That's all I got. This, basically. I liked the micronaps idea a lot as well but not too much else. I remember liking the film when I first saw it but on a recent rewatching of it I really couldn't give much of a poo poo. Cubone posted:
I think it's the one thing that the film got right, Freddy sure as gently caress looks like a burn victim. Does it work? Eh, dunno, he did look the part.
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I didn't hate the NOES remake, I didn't love it either but I'd certainly choose it over Freddy's Dead which I will always think of as the worst NOES movie.
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Wilhelm Scream posted:I didn't hate the NOES remake, I didn't love it either but I'd certainly choose it over Freddy's Dead which I will always think of as the worst NOES movie. Yeah as bad as the remake is it's probably still only the third worst Nightmare movie.
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Apr 25, 2014 12:33
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah as bad as the remake is it's probably still only the third worst Nightmare movie. I have bad news for you: all the Nightmare movies are terrible. Watch the first one again and pick out everything that really works. If your list is longer than body bag girl in the classroom and the hand in the bath, then you're viewing it with the eyes of nostalgia. The rest of the movie ranges from the cheap and cheesy (especially everything to do with Nancy's mother) to the absurd (Johnny Depp). It hangs together on the back of that small number of effective scenes and Robert Englund's performance.
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Apr 25, 2014 13:30
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Jedit posted:I have bad news for you: all the Nightmare movies are terrible. Watch the first one again and pick out everything that really works. If your list is longer than body bag girl in the classroom and the hand in the bath, then you're viewing it with the eyes of nostalgia. The rest of the movie ranges from the cheap and cheesy (especially everything to do with Nancy's mother) to the absurd (Johnny Depp). It hangs together on the back of that small number of effective scenes and Robert Englund's performance. One, three, and seven are masterpieces. If you wanna blame that on nostalgia, feel free, but it's the stone-cold truth. That the original ANOES is terrible is a weird alternate-universe opinion I've only ever encountered in CineD. I mentioned it only like a page or two ago, but the bit with Freddy throwing pebbles against Tina's window is one of the great scare scenes in modern horror cinema. Really, the entire first half hour or so up until Tina's death is straight up perfect. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Dragging the girl across the ceiling Sticky stairs Extended arms in the alley The boiler room set was the catalyst for the urban decay type sets that dominate horror still today And NOES was first to use the rubber wall trick. Come on man, your not even trying
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I find Freddy's very first appearance, when he has the long arms outstretched in silhouette, incredibly frightening. I think it's really underrated as a freaky horror movie image but it totally sets the surreal, playful, sadistic, evil and deranged tone of his character.
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After binge-watching the entire series a few months ago, I realized NOES4 — despite it being one of my least favorite as a young'n — has quietly moved to the front of the pack. The first one is a good genesis, the third one is a good sequel, the seventh one is a good deconstruction ... but NOES4 is an all-around good horror flick, fun and unsettling in equal measures, a solid choice considering NOES has a premise you can take seriously, but not too seriously. That remake is dogshit though. No one wants to see a somewhat enjoyable villain dress his victims up like little girls and threaten to rape them. Yeah, that he's actually a child molester is a reinserted bit from the original premise, but Craven was right to dance around that, even if he had no idea his greatest villain would become a fuckin' comedian. In other news, I watched The Sentinel last night for the first time, and man ... they sure don't make them like they used to. It provides such a delicate balance of funny, creepy, gross and weird, and the psychosexual horror still works, despite the drastically different sexual landscape of the 1970s. Plus, man, that cast ... Chris Sarandon, Christopher Walken, Burgess Meredith, Beverly D'Angelo, Jeff Goldblum, Richard Dreyfuss, Eli Wallach, Jerry Orbach, Tom Berenger and William loving Hickey? In the same movie? I must have been dreaming.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:One, three, and seven are masterpieces. If you wanna blame that on nostalgia, feel free, but it's the stone-cold truth. That the original ANOES is terrible is a weird alternate-universe opinion I've only ever encountered in CineD. I watched the original NoES for the first time fairly recently (like in the last five years) so I don't have any nostalgia for it or the series, and yeah, that movie loving rules. I was downright surprised at just how great it was.
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I thought Nightmare 4 was a visually* fun cheesefest. Completely disagree that they're all 'bad'. The first one still strikes me as innovative and solid, other than the ending. The Sentinel was slightly disappointing to me. Felt like it borrowed too much from the other big horror flicks of the '70s, such as The Omen and The Exorcist. I'd have to watch it again. It was a decent movie, I just remember it feeling derivative. *EDIT: Fixed typos. Oliver Reed fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 15:07
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Oliver Reed posted:I thought Nightmare 4 was a visual fun cheesefest.
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axleblaze posted:I watched the original NoES for the first time fairly recently (like in the last five years) so I don't have any nostalgia for it or the series, and yeah, that movie loving rules. I was downright surprised at just how great it was. The music and the great sound design are half of it so it'll lose something in translation, but Jedit has inspired me to break out my DVD and do some shot-by-shot analysis of the window scene and maybe some other bits when I get home. It's masterful stuff.
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Oh one other point I'll give the remake (giving it a staggering 5/100, ladies and gents) is I found the fact that his plan was to put Nancy in a coma so he could diddle her forever profoundly unsettling. It was rather blunt but a good way to drive the point home that this Freddy wasn't the one-liner and zingers dumb Freddy.
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weekly font posted:Oh one other point I'll give the remake (giving it a staggering 5/100, ladies and gents) is I found the fact that his plan was to put Nancy in a coma so he could diddle her forever profoundly unsettling. It was rather blunt but a good way to drive the point home that this Freddy wasn't the one-liner and zingers dumb Freddy. I just don't like that they made it so explicit. One of the signs in the original ANOES that Wes Craven, primarily known up to that point as a director of grimy rape revenge thrillers, had really come into his own as a filmmaker was that he was able to let those undertones of the horror of sexual predation simmer and bubble under the surface instead of just rubbing the viewer's faces in it for shock value.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I just don't like that they made it so explicit. One of the signs in the original ANOES that Wes Craven, primarily known up to that point as a director of grimy rape revenge thrillers, had really come into his own as a filmmaker was that he was able to let those undertones of the horror of sexual predation simmer and bubble under the surface instead of just rubbing the viewer's faces in it for shock value. Bingo. It might have been a little too subtle for some though.
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I know he's done more lovely films than good ones but Wes Craven's early films really do unsettle me big time. The rape scene in the Last House on the Left with David Hess drooling on the girl's face is forever burned into my memory. It's rare for horror to get to me like that. Martyrs is probably the modern, go-to example for something truly unsettling. Not sure what else would make the (my) list. There's a horror flick from the '70s called Deranged I think that bothered me. Oliver Reed fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I love blonde lush Ronee Blakely. The part where Heather Langenkamp is trying to get the key to the house from her is so great.
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So somebody told me that Nightmare on Elm Street 2 was somehow supposed to represent the main character struggling with his sexuality? I watched it but didn't really notice anything...anyone care to explain?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The part where Heather Langenkamp is trying to get the key to the house from her is so great. Heather Langenkamp's horrendous acting really makes me buy her as a freaked out teenager.
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