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VitalSigns posted:Content: one of my friends posted this. "get rid of government programs that don't work" ok which ones? And how do they not work? And what would you propose we replace them with? One thing I never see come out of these people is "what will you replace the thing with". I get that they don't like the program, but if you can't come up with a better solution then get out.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 03:23 |
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gatesealer posted:"get rid of government programs that don't work" ok which ones? And how do they not work? And what would you propose we replace them with? One thing I never see come out of these people is "what will you replace the thing with". I get that they don't like the program, but if you can't come up with a better solution then get out. By "don't work" they mean "don't directly benefit me right this second".
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 03:30 |
Someone on my FB feed posted the story about the marine punching the professor. Does anyone still have the version with the bear and Richard Dawkins?
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 03:47 |
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Zerilan posted:Someone on my FB feed posted the story about the marine punching the professor. Does anyone still have the version with the bear and Richard Dawkins? [Courtesy of this thread.] A United States Marine was attending some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan . One of the courses had a professor who was a vowed atheist and a member of the ACLU. One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, “God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I’ll give you exactly 15 minutes.” The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, “Here I am God. I’m still waiting.” It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and lifted up his arm to strike him. At that moment the professor was transformed into a 7-foot grizzly, wreathed in a halo of holy fire. The bear spoke: "Blasphemer thou art, thou thinkst to take the place of God? Those who deny me face eternal fire, but you who knows my work and yet commits the sin of Satan I curse a hundred times over!" The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently picking at his boils. Then Richard Dawkins burst into the room, wielding a copy of The Selfish Gene and crying "Leave that boy alone, you pathetic atavism!" As the holy bear whirled around, terrible light flashing in its eyes, Dawkins shed his mortal form, raised each of his seven horned heads, and hissed. "It'ssss me you want!". And then the Lord and the Antichrist joined in the final battle. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 03:50 |
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I'll have to see if I can combine all of them into a single postquote:A United States Marine was attending some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan . One of the courses had a professor who was a vowed atheist and a member of the ACLU. quote:And that soldier...was Albert Einstein quote:A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist
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Augmentropy posted:[Courtesy of this thread.] Dangit, I was hanging on every word, waiting for them to start making out. I gotta go delete some fanfiction now.
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No one wants kids to go hungry, I just want things that will directly result in kids going hungry. Big difference.
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VideoTapir posted:No one wants kids to go hungry, I just want things that will directly result in kids going hungry. Big difference. Well to be fair children often want to do things or to have things happen but not deal with the consequences of those actions. It's just that most of us grow out of complaining when that isn't possible.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 04:45 |
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VideoTapir posted:No one wants kids to go hungry, I just want things that will directly result in kids going hungry. Big difference. Those kids should have made better life decisions when they chose what womb to crawl out of. Life isn't fair, freedom isn't free.
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VideoTapir posted:No one wants kids to go hungry, I just want things that will directly result in kids going hungry. Big difference. Well she did say that she supported public assistance for those who need it. Not sure how supplementing inadequate pay with public money is different from raising the minimum wage, but hey. I suppose she could argue that direct wealth redistribution is less likely to have employment effects than increasing the wage floor. Or she could prefer public assistance because it also helps people who don't have a job. Or perhaps because the poverty line increases with family size so bigger families get more assistance. Or maybe because it's easier to feel superior to someone who gets paid less than me and has to mooch off the government. If they get paid the same it might look like it's something they deserve for working and then I'm not special anymore. You know, whatever.
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VitalSigns posted:Well she did say that she supported public assistance for those who need it. I almost want to bet that she doesn't actually like welfare because there are "welfare queens, and why should I have to give money to people who aren't working hard enough." It is always the weirdest thing to me when I hear something like that. "I don't want them to raise minimum wage because they are just doing menial labor. I don't want to pay for welfare because why should I pay for these people to work minimum wage jobs?" Choose one or the other.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 06:22 |
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gatesealer posted:I almost want to bet that she doesn't actually like welfare because there are "welfare queens, and why should I have to give money to people who aren't working hard enough." It is always the weirdest thing to me when I hear something like that. "I don't want them to raise minimum wage because they are just doing menial labor. I don't want to pay for welfare because why should I pay for these people to work minimum wage jobs?" Choose one or the other. I've had this argument with her before, too.
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:I've had this argument with her before, too. I am so sorry. It does seem to be a common theme though.
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:I've had this argument with her before, too. Oh so it was that cycle: 10 Welfare makes people lazy! McDonald's is always hiring; it's better they get a job 20 No minimum wage hikes; It will make people too lazy to look for a better-paying job 30 I don't want to starve kids, if they can't live on minimum wage and no one else is hiring, it's better they get welfare 40 But welfare needs to be temporary because... GOTO 10 That's a good one. I also like 10 If you work minimum wage, you're worthless and you deserve poo poo pay. Get a degree to show you're good enough to earn more money 20 Can't afford college? Take loans, the better pay will more than cover the payments 30 Too many unemployed college grads? Try McDonald's. What you think your degree makes you too good for minimum wage, you snob? GOTO 10 VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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gatesealer posted:"I don't want them to raise minimum wage because they are just doing menial labor." Huh, see, when I almost had this discussion with a coworker it was "I don't want them to raise the minimum wage because then all the companies will shut down and we'll have even more unemployment and people on welfare." I just didn't bother responding at that point.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Huh, see, when I almost had this discussion with a coworker it was "I don't want them to raise the minimum wage because then all the companies will shut down and we'll have even more unemployment and people on welfare." I remember in 1968 when the inflation-adjusted minimum wage was $10, and every company in America closed down. Those were hard times.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Huh, see, when I almost had this discussion with a coworker it was "I don't want them to raise the minimum wage because then all the companies will shut down and we'll have even more unemployment and people on welfare." See this one never made sense to me either. Like a point could be made if minimum wage was increased to a ridiculous amount, but why would companies go out of business? The way I explained it to my room mate was that even if they cut your hours at walmart, you can work for $15 an hour at walmart part time and $15 an hour part time somewhere else and still make more money. If the problem is small business owners not having the money to pay that amount, well that isn't much different than the system we already have. Those who can't make it fail. That is the very definition of our current system of economics.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 08:58 |
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I know that it's all Protestant Work Ethic, but it still just makes my brain hurt when I try to ponder what these people think the point of a business/job is. Like, if a company can't turn a profit without paying its workers enough to live on, why should we as a society want that company to exist? If we're going to have to pay part of those workers' "salaries" in welfare, just so the rest of us can buy widgets at a certain price, why not cut out the middleman and have the government pay people to make widgets and then sell them at a loss?
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 09:07 |
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gatesealer, suggest to your roommate that we cut the minumum wage to $4/hr so companies can afford to create more jobs. Now he can get that second job and work 80 hours a week at $4 instead of being condemned to 40 hours a week at $7.25 Profit!!
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 09:09 |
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gatesealer posted:"get rid of government programs that don't work" ok which ones? And how do they not work? And what would you propose we replace them with? One thing I never see come out of these people is "what will you replace the thing with". I get that they don't like the program, but if you can't come up with a better solution then get out. It's literally "I do not like thing. Thing should not exist." They don't want to replace those "programs that don't work" with something that does they want it gone entirely simply because it's a thing they don't like.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 09:35 |
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I feel like this essay should be in the OP, then made mandatory reading in all schools, everywhere, in any order: http://partialobjects.com/2011/04/when-debate-fails-turn-to-analysis/ Pretty much sums up the reasons for 100% of the Facebook arguments we hear about in these threads.
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gatesealer posted:See this one never made sense to me either. Like a point could be made if minimum wage was increased to a ridiculous amount, but why would companies go out of business? The way I explained it to my room mate was that even if they cut your hours at walmart, you can work for $15 an hour at walmart part time and $15 an hour part time somewhere else and still make more money. If the problem is small business owners not having the money to pay that amount, well that isn't much different than the system we already have. Those who can't make it fail. That is the very definition of our current system of economics. Flip that argument around and you've got a defense of slavery.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 11:15 |
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VitalSigns posted:gatesealer, suggest to your roommate that we cut the minumum wage to $4/hr so companies can afford to create more jobs. Now he can get that second job and work 80 hours a week at $4 instead of being condemned to 40 hours a week at $7.25 Profit!! I have met people who unironically believe this, sorry to tell you. Edit: These are people who have never worked a day in their life who think "at least $4 is better than nothing!" No it' loving not.
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I don't understand this circular-rear end reasoning. So your justification for being armed is simply paranoia and you're okay with admitting that? In what world is this considered appropriate or logical? Am considering responding with a car analogy. If you have a problem with law abiding citizens owning cars, then YOU'RE the reason law abiding citizens own cars! e: there's also the problem of "well law abiding citizens certainly wouldn't have any problem following regulatory requirements, would they" but we all know what the image means by "law abiding" HiroProtagonist fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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"If gun ownership is made illegal, then there will no longer be a concept of law abiding citizens being armed and thus there will be no reason for law abiding citizens to be armed. QED" -Alternate Dimension Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
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HiroProtagonist posted:
Their reasoning is that the only people who would want to restrict gun ownership are At least that was the accepted "wisdom" when I was growing up in a conservative rural community. People who've never lived inside it often don't get how isolated a bubble these people live in.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Their reasoning is that the only people who would want to restrict gun ownership are That is the sense I got from it in a more fleshed out version. Guy who is responsible for it is a bit of a whacko anyway. On the previous times I've responded to him on anything I could not literally understand what I got back in return. He's far from pants on head crazy, but his thought processes must be residing somewhere in orbit.
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 14:35 |
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R Lee Emery's character in FMJ was not meant to be someone to admire...
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 14:43 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R Lee Emery's character in FMJ was not meant to be someone to admire... These are the kind of people who see nothing wrong with driving someone to suicide. They see it as culling the heard of the weak.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R Lee Emery's character in FMJ was not meant to be someone to admire... They have Christian morality derived macros with images of the Joker, a character portrayed as a nihilistic, sociopathic mass murderer. As long as the character looks sufficiently bad-rear end, the message that the film was trying to convey is totally irrelevant.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R Lee Emery's character in FMJ was not meant to be someone to admire... The OP of that image was a Marine too, if I recall correctly.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R Lee Emery's character in FMJ was not meant to be someone to admire... People tend to miss stuff like this, especially if the charcater has any potential for being a power fullfillment fantasy. See also: Gordon Gecko or Rorschach.
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Radish posted:"If gun ownership is made illegal, then there will no longer be a concept of law abiding citizens being armed and thus there will be no reason for law abiding citizens to be armed. QED" Oh man, remember his tour de force opinion enshrining the Voting Rights Act as one of the most precious and inviolable pieces of legislation in our history? It was so forceful, I was half-expecting him to reimpose Reconstruction by the end of it ADSCOTUS Justice John Roberts posted:Shelby County's arguments that racism in Alabama is a thing of the past are facially absurd. The mere fact the county even filed this lawsuit is an admission that they have nursed and nourished their racism and resentment through all these decades since its passage and are now prepared to disenfranchise African Americans by hook or by crook
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# ? Apr 25, 2014 15:07 |
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My cousins defense in his choice to continue supporting Cliven Bundy Deceptive Edit of the Day: http://youtu.be/5Q_c02cVFcI
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He's been trying to screw the VRA since he worked for Reagan. I bet he did a merry, Irish jig in his robes after ruling on that case.
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SalTheBard posted:My cousins defense in his choice to continue supporting Cliven Bundy I first read that account name as "back and right" and thought it was a reference to the JFK assassination. "Back, and to the right. Back...and to the right...."
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Okay, looking back at it, I think arguing with this guy is going to be a waste. Someone pointed out that it was unfair that people born in poverty should have to work three jobs just to survive while others can do well on one job, and promptly replied withquote:I'm sorry, where are you living? I live in this place called the "real world" where life isn't fair. It's BS, but it's a fact. Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. Equal results means we go the way of the USSR, millions dying of starvation and illness.
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I don't have a problem with law-abiding citizens owning guns per se. I do have a problem gun nuts who always seem to be masturbating to fantasies about shooting Polybius91 posted:Okay, looking back at it, I think arguing with this guy is going to be a waste. Someone pointed out that it was unfair that people born in poverty should have to work three jobs just to survive while others can do well on one job, and promptly replied with
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Polybius91 posted:Okay, looking back at it, I think arguing with this guy is going to be a waste. Someone pointed out that it was unfair that people born in poverty should have to work three jobs just to survive while others can do well on one job, and promptly replied with I've seen that rhetoric often enough, and I'm still confused about how the right thinks it's a persuasive argument. Are there any true believers, or is it the disingenuous economic cousin of "We already have marriage equality! Gay men can marry gay women!" Say we all had equal opportunity to enter the same building and apply for a job. There's no way someone could believe we all had equal opportunities from birth to take the paths which led to getting that job.
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Polybius91 posted:I'm sorry, where are you living? I live in this place called the "real world" where life isn't fair. It's BS, but it's a fact. Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. Equal results means we go the way of the USSR, millions dying of starvation and illness. What does equal opportunity mean?
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