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I am in a bit of quandary regarding which LGS to go to for my pre-release, there are the usual place where the owner is a bit of a dick, but it is only £18 for the pre-release, or a new place that just opened that is been good so far but is £25 with similar prize support. Paying a little extra to remain loyal to the LGS I like the most is all well and good but I can't see beyond that $12 difference for a pre-release. Goons, what is your position on this?
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Apr 25, 2014 13:28
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For similar prize support, I'd go to the place with the better staff/management/whatever even if it costs a bit more. I always prefer to give my business to places that have what I consider to be good business practices, so that they'll hopefully stay around and continue to be a place that I can go to.
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Apr 25, 2014 13:43
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Samael posted:I am in a bit of quandary regarding which LGS to go to for my pre-release, there are the usual place where the owner is a bit of a dick, but it is only £18 for the pre-release, or a new place that just opened that is been good so far but is £25 with similar prize support. Paying a little extra to remain loyal to the LGS I like the most is all well and good but I can't see beyond that $12 difference for a pre-release. Goons, what is your position on this? (Assuming 1£ = 1.68$ according to Google) Stay home. You should never give your money to an rear end in a top hat business owner, but $42 for a pre-release is steep, although it depends on the prize payout.
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Apr 25, 2014 13:57
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Gynovore posted:Stay home. You should never give your money to an rear end in a top hat business owner, but $42 for a pre-release is steep, although it depends on the prize payout. I think it depends on MSRP really. My general metric is how much is the cost in boosters vs. the number of boosters. A booster here in Greece is 4 euros, which is about 6$ or so (maybe 5?). If a tournament offers 6 boosters, then 25 euros is very reasonable to pay, even if it comes up to about 35$. I have no idea what a booster costs in the UK to be honest, but I feel that a similar metric would matter.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:10
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Serperoth posted:I think it depends on MSRP really. My general metric is how much is the cost in boosters vs. the number of boosters. A booster here in Greece is 4 euros, which is about 6$ or so (maybe 5?). If a tournament offers 6 boosters, then 25 euros is very reasonable to pay, even if it comes up to about 35$. Yes, using XE our boosters cost around the same as you (£3.50 each), ~$5.88 a booster, so for the boosters it would cost £20-22, so £18 is good, but £25 is quite pricey.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:16
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If I bestow a Crystalline Nautilus onto someone's bomb monster, then hit it with a spell so that it dies, the Nautilus comes back under my own control? Or does he get a 4/4?
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Apr 25, 2014 14:18
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Veyrall posted:If I bestow a Crystalline Nautilus onto someone's bomb monster, then hit it with a spell so that it dies, the Nautilus comes back under my own control? Or does he get a 4/4? It returns under your control.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:18
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Samael posted:Yes, using XE our boosters cost around the same as you (£3.50 each), ~$5.88 a booster, so for the boosters it would cost £20-22, so £18 is good, but £25 is quite pricey. It's £3-5 more, so it's not an obscene amount. I'd say go to support the better store, if you think that it's worth the extra bit of money. You're more familiar with them than we are I presume.  Veyrall posted:If I bestow a Crystalline Nautilus onto someone's bomb monster, then hit it with a spell so that it dies, the Nautilus comes back under my own control? Or does he get a 4/4? You never lose control of Crystalline Nautilus (or any other Aura on an opponent's permanents), so you keep it, unless there's something I'm missing.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:21
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So apparently this is a real interaction: if you cast Gift of Immortality on your Bearer of the Heavens and it dies, you get two triggers at the next end step. If you stack them so that the Gift resolves first, then the Bearer trigger blows up the world that now includes itself with Gift attached, and the whole process repeats again on your opponent's end step. Then again on your end step. And so on, every turn, forever. Except for your Bearer, who will start the turn on your side and can attack for 10.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:26
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:So apparently this is a real interaction: if you cast Gift of Immortality on your Bearer of the Heavens and it dies, you get two triggers at the next end step. If you stack them so that the Gift resolves first, then the Bearer trigger blows up the world that now includes itself with Gift attached, and the whole process repeats again on your opponent's end step. Then again on your end step. And so on, every turn, forever. You can also include tajic in the deck and he can finally be relevant, but killing bearer of the gods yourself is pretty difficult in a boros type deck. Do you plan on including black as well?
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Apr 25, 2014 14:39
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Homo for Hitler posted:You can also include tajic in the deck and he can finally be relevant, but killing bearer of the gods yourself is pretty difficult in a boros type deck. Do you plan on including black as well? Reprisal? 
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Apr 25, 2014 14:44
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:So apparently this is a real interaction: if you cast Gift of Immortality on your Bearer of the Heavens and it dies, you get two triggers at the next end step. If you stack them so that the Gift resolves first, then the Bearer trigger blows up the world that now includes itself with Gift attached, and the whole process repeats again on your opponent's end step. Then again on your end step. And so on, every turn, forever. Imagine the feelbads when a new player manages to get this combo online against a shark, and then orders the triggers in the "logical" order, e.g. gift, then bearer, and then has the stack explained to him 
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Apr 25, 2014 14:45
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Homo for Hitler posted:You can also include tajic in the deck and he can finally be relevant, but killing bearer of the gods yourself is pretty difficult in a boros type deck. Do you plan on including black as well? My commander Tajic in my EDH deck resents your "relevant" comment. 
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Apr 25, 2014 14:48
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Samael posted:Reprisal? Oh, well, yeah, duh me. That does work doesn't it. it doesn't bode well vs aggro decks but it will get the job done! OssiansFolly posted:My commander Tajic in my EDH deck resents your "relevant" comment. Sorry buddy my stupid brain only works in standard mode. He's a pretty relevant card in the edh world.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:58
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Samael posted:I am in a bit of quandary regarding which LGS to go to for my pre-release, there are the usual place where the owner is a bit of a dick, but it is only £18 for the pre-release, or a new place that just opened that is been good so far but is £25 with similar prize support. Paying a little extra to remain loyal to the LGS I like the most is all well and good but I can't see beyond that $12 difference for a pre-release. Goons, what is your position on this?
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Apr 25, 2014 15:10
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Serperoth posted:I think it depends on MSRP really. My general metric is how much is the cost in boosters vs. the number of boosters. A booster here in Greece is 4 euros, which is about 6$ or so (maybe 5?). If a tournament offers 6 boosters, then 25 euros is very reasonable to pay, even if it comes up to about 35$. Do they print theros packs in greek? Because that's flavorful as gently caress
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Apr 25, 2014 15:20
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Mortimer posted:Do they print theros packs in greek? They do not, nor did we get a repeat of the Questing Phelddagrif promo thing. It is a terrible terrible shame.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:25
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£25 is about average for a single event buy in, most of my LGSes offer a discount for doing multiple pre releases. Support the good store, £25 for a days entertainment ain't bad. e; phone posting. fix typos. me spel gud.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:32
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Korak posted:Go where the prize support is the best or barring that the one you enjoy the atmosphere more. Talk to the owner in private about prices and explain to him the same thing you told us. Maybe the owner doesn't realize that some people might be going to a competitor that is inferior in social ways but their wallet tells them they still have to go there. I go for the players personally...prizes where I am are fairly regular, but the people at my usual place (Immortals in Rocky River) typically has a more clean cut and, I dare say, showered group of individuals. I don't have to worry about poor personal hygiene and/or awkward social mannerisms. If you can find a place that doesn't make you feel uncomfortable it may be worth a little more up front cost...
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Apr 25, 2014 15:32
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Serperoth posted:They do not, nor did we get a repeat of the Questing Phelddagrif promo thing. It is a terrible terrible shame. I have one, just having to happen upon it when someone gave me a binder (they didn't play anymore and heard I still did). I always forget I have it until someone who has only played for a couple of years goes, 'WHOOOA! What language is THAT?!' It's pretty sweet, maaaaan.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:42
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En Fuego posted:I have one, just having to happen upon it when someone gave me a binder (they didn't play anymore and heard I still did). If it was legendary, I'd have made a Commander deck around it. I probably still can, considering how Commander is a casual format and all, but it's slightly disappointing. Wizards reprint Greek cards please, keep the mangled Greek, and take my money, thanks.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:45
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Greek's cool, but I want to see more Arabian dragons. e: Oh. I guess it's a basilisk. I never did find out what that card was. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 16:06
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Fox of Stone posted:Greek's cool, but I want to see more Arabian dragons. Seconding that. The closest we got to that was Stone-Tongue Basilisk.
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Apr 25, 2014 16:11
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Samael posted:Reprisal? Or celestial flare, divine verdict, etc
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Apr 25, 2014 16:47
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Fox of Stone posted:Greek's cool, but I want to see more Arabian dragons. Large block, dragon themed, toss all the dragons in from various mythologies (Asian wingless dragons, Greek lawmakers and/or actual dragons, etc) No CMC under 3-4, worst Limited environment ever, best selling set ever. I'd be more than 100% ok with an Arabian-themed block. EDIT: Speaking of blocks: Mark Rosewater's Tumblr posted:
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Apr 25, 2014 16:53
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Bottom up means it's mechanics were designed first, right? I think Innistrad and Theros were Top-Down, but I get the two mixed up.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:18
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Veyrall posted:Bottom up means it's mechanics were designed first, right? I think Innistrad and Theros were Top-Down, but I get the two mixed up. Yeah, Theros and Innistrad were top-down, while Zendikar was bottom-up.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:19
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How was Return to Ravnica block designed? Bottom out?
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Apr 25, 2014 17:20
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Mae posted:How was Return to Ravnica block designed? Bottom out? Bottom up. Ten guilds, need to think of a mechanic for each of them and then add flavor from there.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:21
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All this talk of bottoms and tops made me think this was the LGBT thread for a moment. The fact Huey is mechanics first is another small bit of evidence we might get fetchlands.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:30
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Korak posted:The fact Huey is mechanics first is another small bit of evidence we might get fetchlands. I believe it's been said that, while they really want to reprint all ten fetches, Huey won't be the block to do so. Could be wrong on that, I'm not Wizards RnD.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:38
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Serperoth posted:I believe it's been said that, while they really want to reprint all ten fetches, Huey won't be the block to do so. Could be wrong on that, I'm not Wizards RnD. The only things we know for sure is that for the sake of color balance and the Block Constructed format, they don't want to do ally- or enemy-only dual lands anymore, and they don't want the only duals to be in the core set. I haven't seen anything about the fetches either way, but if they did reprint them in a Standard-legal rather than Modern Masters-style way, they'd reprint all ten and they'd do it over a whole block. People like to speculate that they'll be in Huey because that's the earliest they could show up without living with the shocklands in Standard. I wouldn't really be surprised either way, though holy moly those cards need a reprint.
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Apr 25, 2014 17:46
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Serperoth posted:I believe it's been said that, while they really want to reprint all ten fetches, Huey won't be the block to do so. Could be wrong on that, I'm not Wizards RnD. edit: I should say that I don't think they're doing fetchlands this year. It's just that the fact they're building Huey from a mechanics standpoint first is one of the few things MaRo said is the only way they'd do fetchlands. Korak fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 18:02
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Korak posted:All this talk of bottoms and tops made me think this was the LGBT thread for a moment. Honestly I'd be cool with the next set to be a power bottom
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Apr 25, 2014 18:09
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Pretty sure there was already a power bottom set: homelands.
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Apr 25, 2014 18:13
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Korak posted:MaRo hasn't said that I don't think. He's said that WotC knows they need to be reprinted and that it needs to be the right environment. Right now fetchlands in Standard wouldn't do much other than allow people to possibly play less lands and slightly more support for 3 color decks. There's no fetching for duals and that's really when the environment gets to a place they don't seem to like enabling. Much like we didn't see Shockland reprints until Return to Ravnica, I would hazard a guess that we won't see Fetchlands again until a return to Zendikar and its "lands matter" theme.
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Apr 25, 2014 18:15
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I honestly am expecting the fetches to be in Huey, and the bottom up thing only adds to that. Obviously who knows but I think the fact that they have commented in favor of them being reprinted, the fact that there won't be typed duals in the format, and that fetches are probably the broadest factor affecting Modern prices right now makes it kind of a no brainer. Not only would it almost guarantee that Huey will be a HUGE seller, it will also then broaden the support for Modern and all the ancillary things that come from that. Given their stated mission of promoting Modern growth, the question is more why *wouldn't* they reprint them now?
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Apr 25, 2014 18:16
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What lands get printed in a set have almost nothing to do with whether design started at the top or bottom. Innistrad was a top-down set that had a subtheme of allied color tribes and the enemy checklands were added by development even though they directly contradict that theme.
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Apr 25, 2014 18:22
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Without a new mechanic or a return of landfall and Grim Lavamancer fetches for the sake of fetches would be boring and terrible.
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Fox of Stone posted:Pretty sure there was already a power bottom set: homelands. What does that make Fallen Empires?
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