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Bit of a derail, but I can't stand Christina Love's writing. However I buy her stuff because I think she's really good at coming up with interesting gimmicks for her visual novels and I want to support that if I can.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Oh, I should have guessed. One of the most unfortunate combinations of good ideas and awful taste that I can think of. No joke her latest project is another anime visual novel wherein dude is forced by his sister to crossdress and they get into wacky romantic hijinks, and it's probably supposed to be about lgbt rights Everything Christine love made after that late-80s bbs game is awful, how could anyone think that anime dating sim is a good way to further feminism is beyond me (harem ending :iamafag:) goatse.cx fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Still reading old posts. How could you guys not tell me that right after Dozerfleet Jesse Otaku committed the terrible crime of not wanting a troper page, especially not one about her as an individual, thus enraging the entire poopsock army. Seeing one of TVTropes beloved internet celebrities~ openly call them creepy. It's the best.
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Englishman alone posted:Okay what do you make of this, I just completed Hate Plus really enjoyed it. I completed it on a the Harem ending. So lets see what the tropers deal with a complex word heavy game with a Japanese visual novel look dealing in an adult way with gay and lesbian relationships. I noticed "Rape as Drama" was the trope listed directly above Really 700 Years Old. Because it's TV Tropes and therefore  .quote:A Threesome Is Hot: The end of harem route can become this. So, was it indeed hot? I've never heard of Christina Love, nor have I ever played a visual novel so I don't know what a "Harem ending" is, exactly. Edit: Also, I discovered TVT has at least three tropes that are, as far as I can tell, exactly the same: Trolling Creator Teasing Creator Lying Creator Ninjasaurus fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Apr 26, 2014 01:31
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Ninjasaurus posted:I've never heard of Christina Love, nor have I ever played a visual novel so I don't know what a "Harem ending" is, exactly. Most visual novels are dating sims wherein you make choices which put you on a specific girl (or boy's) "route", aka their storyline. Finishing that storyline will earn you "x character's ending". The harem route is therefore what it sounds like, usually popping up in pornographic games, wherein you can pick a specific set of options to sleep with all the girls at once. I've not played Hate Plus, but Analogue: A Hate Story had a hidden joke ending wherein on a replay if you show *Mute a file that you're not supposed to see till near the end of the game (by remembering the file's name), she'll unlock the computer and you can download both *Mute and *Hyun-Ae (or w/e her name was) at once. It's not pornographic there, but seeing as Hate Plus apparently has you put your AI waifu in a robot body that looks like an anime girl they've actually managed to put me off playing it by using that trope.
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Ninjasaurus posted:God I hate that but it is justified in this case. I noticed "Rape as Drama" was the trope listed directly above Really 700 Years Old. Because it's TV Tropes and therefore .quote:So, was it indeed hot? In my opinion with Analogue and Hate plus it's looking at the Josean dynasty as it would be seen from modern eyes. This dynasty being noteworthy for it's very poor treatment of women. From many perspectives from those who rule in it to the peasantry and one from an earlier age which is basically ours. The Visual style makes sense for the characters are from what seems an ethnically Korean society so the look is understandable. The harem ending is bringing the two protagonists together and understanding the extreme action of one (to say what was done would be a big spoiler) and see the manipulation that both characters suffered throughout, it's a nice cleverly plotted story in the two games. This is one of 5 endings and it's a game which values more than one play through. Not really just some sad obsessed AI's being granted interaction with an outside force 300 years into the future and reading into it much more. It's much more about culture shock and all it's forms. With a major focus on relationships like all her Sorry for the lengthy reply
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Wait, I actually know this one! All three tropes which could just be summarized by "Unreliable Narrator". But they have already have that! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnreliableNarrator It's basically based on the idea that the Narrator is lying to you, used to great effect in Lolita and Fight Club. And they somehow mess this up by not just having all of these lumped into one trope that already exists in literary media. It's not about being "naive" or "deceiving", the whole point is that the narrator is not one to trust, so we receive his biases and must discern what is truth and what is a lie. But who am I kidding, these are the guys who sincerely believe every lie that drips from Humbert's gaping maw, never questioning a drat thing.
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Install Windows posted:Man some of you people said attempts at scary video game stories were bad, the worst has to be the stories about totally haunted computer viruses. All the complete lack of technical knowledge your typical "and then a photorealistic skeleton popped out and showed me my family dead!" story has, and then some. Take a look at The Princess, it's great. Also the very early stages of the Haunted Majora's Mask cartridge- once they go onto the Cleverbot segment you can kind of abandon it because it goes steeply downhill from there. E: Annointed posted:Wait, I actually know this one! All three tropes which could just be summarized by "Unreliable Narrator". You have to remember, TVTropes is made up of about 10% work pages, 75% trope pages, and 14% fandom bullshit pages. The remaining 1% is about the creators of the show themselves, their egos, their deaths, and other not-really-related-to-canon stuff at all. The Lying Creator is when the guy behind the work decides to play with the reader by saying poo poo like "You should pick the Pendant for the pure Dark Souls experience." An unreliable narrator is when the character telling you the story, inside the work, explains that he had no choice but to drug that schoolgirl. Why they have three loving tropes about the creator bullshitting the audience, well,
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Apr 26, 2014 03:54
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I know about those. But seriously look at that story: selling laptops to buy a supercomputer to hack into a haunted PNG file, and the author wasn't making a joke.
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Apr 26, 2014 04:00
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Install Windows posted:I know about those. Sometimes the best jokes are unintentional.
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Install Windows posted:I know about those. A $25,000 supercomputer, purchased by selling a bunch of virus-infected laptops second hand, so that they could "hack into" a PNG file to extract "a binary" and copy it into a document. I had blocked that out of my mind quite successfully, and now I'm going to have to do so again.
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Somfin posted:Why they have three loving tropes about the creator bullshitting the audience, well, Good thing I said "at least" in my earlier post because here's another one: The Walrus Was Paul I wonder how many tropes TVTropes would actually have if all the redundant ones were either combined or eliminated altogether? Sorta-related video but it's George Carlin so just watch it anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig
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To be fair, "binary" is a legitimate term for an executable file -- in this case though, they seem to just be referring to the data in the PNG as "the binary" instead of "the data" like any normal person would say. I'm reluctant to be charitable given *every other thing* in that story. Here are some other technical foibles for people who like tech talk and trivia: quote:The motherboard itself would be corrupted beyond repair of even the most talented hackers. This is a considerable achievement given that the only software on the motherboard is probably the BIOS, which can be easily replaced. quote:A day later, they opened up the binary to check again and found that it had rewritten itself. A program that isn't invoked can't do anything. That's not to say it can't be invoked by an unknown vulnerability -- if I remember right, Stuxnet for instance relied on one and it's not really unique in that category -- but it's not like a living cell that can do whatever it wants without any outside interaction. quote:They didn't dare open this file, either. They simply opened the binary and traced every charater until they found a list of numbers that didn't quite fit. It was the same for Initialize.txt. They pulled these numbers into a new program and began working on it. This is probably a lot more compelling if you don't understand how PNG files work and think they operate by magic, but it's actually a really simple file format and searching it for native code (the probable form of a hidden virus) really wouldn't be all that hard. (The main tricksy bit would be remembering to unzip the zlibbed chunks and search those too -- a human couldn't do that by hand, but it would only take about five minutes tops to order the computer to once you located them.) This is just the authors assuming that if they can't do it, it must be really, really hard to do. quote:It was comprised of 55 binary digits, mostly 0s, in a demented loop. This is about seven native instructions (tops) worth of data. A hello world program would be longer than this. By the way, fun fact: the MOV header per this spec is a minimum of 64 binary digits (8 bytes) long, meaning that it is literally impossible for a 55-bit string to represent a MOV file. All that stuff about needles and ghosts isn't real either by the way. Krotera fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Apr 26, 2014 04:52
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Arc Words: "Goodnight"
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Krotera posted:Here are some other technical foibles for people who like tech talk and trivia: 
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Sham bam bamina! posted:How about the apparent necessity of buying a $25,000 supercomputer to do these things, funded by selling their laptops? It was a really big PNG file. And a really big collection of laptops.
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Retributors posted:The member stopped the video before it ended and wrote one last thing: eleven words that struck horror into the rest of the hackers, who immediately disbanded, erased all files related to all of their work, and rebuilt their laptops. Those words were some of the most horrific words to a few members who strongly believed in the Piche. Well that was a lot of buildup and lovely techspeak just to rip off an episode of Doctor Who.
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The F Plus podcast did an episode on Dozerfleet if you'd rather listen than read his insanity. Personally, Stationery Voyagers might be my favorite of the imaginary TV shows he's pretended to produce.
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Has Dozerguy actually written out any of his stuff, or is it all just fevered imagination in trope page form? I would love to see exactly what his prose looks like.
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Thinky Whale posted:Has Dozerguy actually written out any of his stuff, or is it all just fevered imagination in trope page form? I would love to see exactly what his prose looks like. I think he works primarily in script and photograph of pen format.
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Thinky Whale posted:Has Dozerguy actually written out any of his stuff, or is it all just fevered imagination in trope page form? I would love to see exactly what his prose looks like. Yes, and his prose is about as impenetrably dumb and alien as you'd expect. It's weird in a way I can't really describe, other than to go back to the "alien pretending to be human" thing. Replox: Abstract Foundations, Preface: The Account of a Discove Agent posted:I have seen a great many things puzzling in the world. Most though, are not a puzzle in the sense of the word I most vividly remember seeing one particular event. This is an agent here, and for public safety’s sake; I’ll remain anonymous. The company is Discove, Inc. It is a for-profit privately-run spy organization that coordinates itself with the U.S. government. The current base now is Washington, D.C. in 2119. We are yet waiting to move back to our old location. Discove’s first location was top secret. We were in a town known as Triple Play City, TX.
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Djeser posted:Yes, and his prose is about as impenetrably dumb and alien as you'd expect. It's weird in a way I can't really describe, other than to go back to the "alien pretending to be human" thing. Thank you. That is all the failure of communicating like a human being that I could have hoped for.
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And our old friend the scissors "stork monster" returns.
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Just thought I'd take this quote and give a quick lesson on why troper writing sucks. I haven't clicked the original link but I assume this is the ending of the story. The words I've underlined are completely redundant to the ending. A smart reader would be able to make that connection himself. All the troper did was take a slightly creepy line (I'll ignore the fact that it's just a rip off of the weeping angels from Dr Whp) which might have been a decent ending in a better written story, then write another paragraph making sure the audience got the message in the most ham handed way possible. Show, don't tell. Show me that throughout the story anything that takes the form of the piche becomes the piche. Try and subtly show me at some point that this includes written documents. Then at the end of the story, when you remind me of this rule, I'll be able to make the connection myself. One further point, "The Piche", really? I'm no expert but it seems like the best horror names come from either innocuous sounding descriptions "The Alien" "The Slender Man" "The Princess" or by avoiding a description and just calling it "It", with a slight description of what it's doing/the effects it has. For the case of this story, why not just call it "The Virus", "The Bug", "The png". I'm sure there's other things wrong with the story, but I don't want to read it cause I've found two problems in a four paragraph quote. That's without going through the clunky writing in that first paragraph. E: While we're on the subject of bad troper writing, Anime is the Tie that Binds Us has had over 20,000 views. This is astonishing to me Namtab fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Namtab posted:Well that was a lot of buildup and lovely techspeak just to rip off an episode of Doctor Who. The story is in a series about a creature called "The Piche" (which is pronounced "pike" but not spelled that way because??), which includes other stories with lines like: In 1920, the blood stopped working again and the killing resumed in ferocity. A personal militia was created to enter the forest and kill the Piche. They were gone for three days. When only two of the fifteen emerged, they had aged a massive ten years and had eaten every ounce of food they had taken. After this, a rule of thumb began: houses were built without windows and with steel doors that only opened from the inside. This way, the Piche could not see anyone to kill.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Arc Words: "Goodnight" The real Fridge Horror kicks in for This Goon when you realize "The clock advances ten minutes with every illustration, and the moon rises in the window accordingly" implies that the Doomed Protagonist's thought processes must be too slow to survive in the wild if it can only think of one word every 10 minutes. A great example of Leaning on the Fourth Wall when you realize the book you're reading is on the mantlepiece within the same book you're reading and could be construed as a What the Hell Viewer much like the Joss Whedon masterpiece Cabin in the Woods. We are the woman who goes "hush" to the bunny. By continuing to allow the story to exist in our consciousness we are the woman who has constructed this Death World for the Experiment Gone Horribly wrong. BSOD. YMMV.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:We are the woman who goes "hush" to the bunny. By continuing to allow the story to exist in our consciousness we are the woman who has constructed this Death World for the Experiment Gone Horribly wrong. 
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Hmmm.... Disclaimer, I am not a tech guy, I can use computers but I know bugger all about coding, analysing files etc. I'm just tearing this apart from a literary perspective (which I'm also not trained in). quote:Some time ago, there was a picture surfacing on the internet. It came with a text file and a video. The picture was called "Cold.png," the video was called "Graze.mov," and the text document was called "Initialize.txt." quote:Cold.png was an image of Perch Creek's sewer system overlaid on a map of Perch Creek. Overlaid over this was an image of Ichor Forest and a picture of an old man with very tired eyes. quote:Gaze.mov is said to be a video of a sleeping baby in a crib. After ten minutes of this, distortions begin to occur. The final three minutes of the video are of a woman with an abnormally long neck brushing her hair. Something is wrong with this woman, but the cause cannot be placed...besides her neck, that is. With regards to the video, once again the time-frame involved is stupid. If the video is 10 mins of a sleeping baby then people are gonna be fast forwarding it to the "woman with a long neck brushing her hair". Which is probably creepier to the troper than it is to me cause all I'm picturing is a human giraffe. quote:Initialize.txt was by far the worst. It was actually an executable file in disguise. Executing this file would download a torrent of viruses that would wipe most of your information and crash your computer. The motherboard itself would be corrupted beyond repair of even the most talented hackers. Krotera posted:This is a considerable achievement given that the only software on the motherboard is probably the BIOS, which can be easily replaced. So far I'm completely underwhelmed by the threat of these files. quote:This 'txt' file, however, did open a text document. The only thing written there was eleven words that explain what exactly the Piche is. This is fabled to be what the teenage Andrea Cole wrote on a note before killing herself. quote:Regardless, there was a group of ten hackers that called themselves the Retributors. They mostly plagued forums about Perch Creek and how "God wants his retribution." Even those who believed in the Piche knew these guys were spewing bullshit. quote:However, one of them started acting really weird. As it turns out, he had gotten his hands on the first of the three files: Cold.png. He delivered it to the rest of the Retributors and they looked at it to check up on it. Somfin posted:A $25,000 supercomputer, purchased by selling a bunch of virus-infected laptops second hand, so that they could "hack into" a PNG file to extract "a binary" and copy it into a document. quote:This computer was used to hack into Cold.png. The hackers noticed something fishy in the binary, however. They removed the code and copy/pasted it into another document, assuming this was the cause for the computer crashing every time it was opened. They didn't open the picture, though. They were too smart for that. quote:A day later, they opened up the binary to check again and found that it had rewritten itself. The hackers made sure to copy this to a paper document and left it at one of the members' houses. Krotera posted:A program that isn't invoked can't do anything. That's not to say it can't be invoked by an unknown vulnerability -- if I remember right, Stuxnet for instance relied on one and it's not really unique in that category -- but it's not like a living cell that can do whatever it wants without any outside interaction. quote:There were no more leads for almost another month. Then, out of the blue, the group received Graze.mov from an anonymous user by email. Krotera posted:This is probably a lot more compelling if you don't understand how PNG files work and think they operate by magic, but it's actually a really simple file format and searching it for native code (the probable form of a hidden virus) really wouldn't be all that hard. (The main tricksy bit would be remembering to unzip the zlibbed chunks and search those too -- a human couldn't do that by hand, but it would only take about five minutes tops to order the computer to once you located them.) quote:They had breakfast and came back to the house, only to see a note one of them wrote on their door, scribbled out with an arrow indicating to turn the paper around. On the back was written BreakaSweat.mov. Krotera posted:This is about seven native instructions (tops) worth of data. A hello world program would be longer than this. quote:They put the file onto a flash drive and chose one member to watch the movie and record himself so the rest of the team could see what happens and promptly discuss what to do. The member was chose and he set up the video camera and turned on the movie. quote:The sound became distorted as soon as the movie opened, but the member didn't have any emotion for almost three minutes (about the length of the video). So my point is that this climax is extremely contrived. Not only did they decide to create a file that magically appeared on their door, they also cancelled their thing about not opening the files in favour of apparently letting a dude sit in a house on his own. Like you guys know that the picture makes you poo poo yourself so you're aware of the supernatural aspect of this. Either way this guy watches the video then stabs himself in the eyes and throat. quote:They all realized they couldn't watch the video. They let it rest and returned to their "God is angry" ways. One member, however, started his own project. He said he was going to watch the video and hand write everything he could about it. quote:The note was sloppy, at best. It won't be transcribed here, since it didn't make much sense. However, there were a few key things that should be mentioned. The video began at Ichor Forest's edge and ended at the tower. Between the two places were direct views of the Piche; it was almost as if it was looking back at you. I already discussed the ending and it gets no better in context. I doubt any other entry in the series is any better either. E: Searching TV Tropes in google scholar gave me this quote:In contrast to information-sources like wikipedia, TV Tropes does not attempt to be objectively correct and detailed. Namtab fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Namtab posted:I already discussed the ending and it gets no better in context. I doubt any other entry in the series is any better either. As I mentioned, the other stories at least bother to mention that its an evil creature that lives in some sort of woods everyone know is haunted but built a town next to anyway. It's essentially Slenderman except with a dumber name with a dumber spelling.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Not only that, it specifically torrents them. Who's seeding the torrent? Ghosts, obviously. I mean like, duh.
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Install Windows posted:As I mentioned, the other stories at least bother to mention that its an evil creature that lives in some sort of woods everyone know is haunted but built a town next to anyway. It's essentially Slenderman except with a dumber name with a dumber spelling. I could do the whole lot but I'd wind up turning into the subject of a creepypasta when they find me dead on the floor with "Theres No Such Thing As Notability" carved into my chest. It'd still be better written than the epic Piste saga though.
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It seriously irks me when people try to have it both ways with "it's magic! (the evil kind)" and "that's how technology works!" It's not even as if I'm the kind of person who takes fantasy stories and says "well magic isn't real so clearly this is stupid." The whole "haunted computer program" thing seems particularly ridiculous though when everything a computer program does/can do is so well defined. It's not like the universe itself, where it's possible there are rules we don't know about, and maybe there's some dumb undocumented exception that makes it so evil ghosts can possess chairs and lawn furniture -- computers are designed for the specific purpose of following an exhaustively-enumerated series of rules, and furthermore, in this case every character in your story ought to know what those rules are! The idea of a program that intentionally breaks those rules is loving ridiculous! I'd even suspend my disbelief for the sake of enjoying the story if the point of the entire genre wasn't to make it ambiguous whether the events of the story actually happened! Also quote:So, remember as you read this. This speaks of the Piche. It takes the form of the spirit of the Piche and anything that takes the form of the Piche is the Piche. apparently I'm now a nasty picture that makes people poo poo a lot.
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Krotera posted:in this case every character in your story ought to know what those rules are! Having read the whole story it's clear that these guys are just trolls with an ego. Hence why it took 2 months to "run the numbers and find the pattern" of a .png, .mov and .txt
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Krotera posted:It seriously irks me when people try to have it both ways with "it's magic! (the evil kind)" and "that's how technology works!" It's not even as if I'm the kind of person who takes fantasy stories and says "well magic isn't real so clearly this is stupid." Horror from machines does not come from those machines breaking their own rules. It comes from those machines following their own rules. There's that one horror story of the robot maid continuing her rounds even after the bomb goes off- tipping the ashes of her former owners of of their bed and sweeping them away, scrubbing the impact shadow off of the walls, not noticing that a large portion of the house is missing. And there's this one. It's called "Abe," it's about a robotic surgeon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xovQcEOdg8
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