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vyelkin posted:The Telegraph are saying, without quotes of course, that United's next manager will be told to win the league next season. This 200m pound number. Does anyone really, truly believe that Manchester United, run by the Glazers, are going to go out and spend 200m pounds in a single transfer window after dropping 65m on Fellani/Mata this year? 265m+ on players in a 12 month period? Did City or Chelsea ever do that at the height of their buying frenzies? The whole thing sounds so absurd like a kid plugging his ears and screaming about how his dad is gonna beat up your dad, just you wait and see!
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Apr 27, 2014 02:37
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cheese posted:This 200m pound number. Does anyone really, truly believe that Manchester United, run by the Glazers, are going to go out and spend 200m pounds in a single transfer window after dropping 65m on Fellani/Mata this year? 265m+ on players in a 12 month period? Did City or Chelsea ever do that at the height of their buying frenzies? The whole thing sounds so absurd like a kid plugging his ears and screaming about how his dad is gonna beat up your dad, just you wait and see! Including player wages for the length of the contract, Arsenal-style, would help it be more realistic.
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Apr 27, 2014 02:39
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cheese posted:This 200m pound number. Does anyone really, truly believe that Manchester United, run by the Glazers, are going to go out and spend 200m pounds in a single transfer window after dropping 65m on Fellani/Mata this year? 265m+ on players in a 12 month period? Did City or Chelsea ever do that at the height of their buying frenzies? The whole thing sounds so absurd. I wouldn't be surprised. The Glazers have to protect their investment, and United makes a ton of money. The better question is whether they'll be able to find 200m worth of good players in one transfer window. I could see them going well over 100 because they're poo poo and need a lot of players.
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Apr 27, 2014 02:41
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Between summer 2009 and summer 2010 didn't City buy Dzeko, Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner, Kolarov, Tevez, Ade, Lescott, Santa Cruz, Barry, Johnson, Kolo. Transfermarkt says that adds up to 290m. e: Chelsea spent 290m between Summer 03 and summer 04 on Duff, Crespo, Veron, Makelele, Mutu, Parker, Cole, Johnson, Bridge, Drogba, Carvalho, Robben, Cech, Alex, Kezman , Ferreira and Tiago. Ravel fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Apr 27, 2014 03:03
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Ravel posted:Between summer 2009 and summer 2010 didn't City buy Dzeko, Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner, Kolarov, Tevez, Ade, Lescott, Santa Cruz, Barry, Johnson, Kolo. Transfermarkt says that adds up to 290m.
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Apr 27, 2014 03:15
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cheese posted:Fair enough. Looks like their peak was 140m of that in the summer of 2009. Still, that was oil/monopoly money. The Glazers are used to making a big profit on United. Assuming United finish strongly (and its not crazy to think they take 7 points from Hull, Sunderland and Southampton) and are 6th or within a sniff, I can see the Glazers convincing themselves that Moyes was the problem and not opening up the wallet like that. Maybe if United were in 12th or something but not with European football in reach. By all accounts, Manchester United are just making a loving ton of money, and if the Glazers even remotely smart they'll allow the business to invest in the performance of the team. They're going to spend a shitton of money and its going to be awesome.
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Apr 27, 2014 03:31
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blue footed boobie posted:By all accounts, Manchester United are just making a loving ton of money, and if the Glazers even remotely smart they'll allow the business to invest in the performance of the team. They're going to spend a shitton of money and its going to be awesome. We can just hope for a Spurs outcome but sadly I do not think that will be the case.
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Apr 27, 2014 03:39
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T Fowl posted:We can just hope for a Spurs outcome but sadly I do not think that will be the case. It depends who is handed the money. I think van Gaal is a front runner because of his track record of putting world class combinations together. Its also why Giggs has no chance.
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Apr 27, 2014 07:11
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corpuscollossus posted:It depends who is handed the money. I think van Gaal is a front runner because of his track record of putting world class combinations together. Its also why Giggs has no chance. Ed Woodward
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Apr 27, 2014 08:59
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The dominant force in English football for the past 20 years would like its next manager to win the title? That's pretty out there and I'm glad to see the press taking risks like this
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Apr 27, 2014 09:01
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Modus Trollens posted:Ed Woodward I thought Woodward was Gill's right hand man and he had done a lot of Good Deals. Maybe it's different when you are actually in charge... E: oh it was just commercial deals welp!
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Apr 27, 2014 09:02
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blue footed boobie posted:I could see them going well over 100 because they're poo poo and need a lot of players. They need a massive clear out a lot more than a massive bringing in. Imo three new signings and a gently caress load of players shown the door would be ideal.
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Apr 27, 2014 09:07
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Lot 49 posted:They need a massive clear out a lot more than a massive bringing in. Imo three new signings and a gently caress load of players shown the door would be ideal. Who do you want rid of?
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Apr 27, 2014 09:15
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It seems most top managers these days come to a club, raid the transfer coffers and last about one to three years depending on how many trophies they deliver and/or how many other clubs want their services. Fergie was the PL's most prominent exception to the rule. ManU is his lovingly maintained classic car, and it's understandable that he doesn't want to hand over the keys to just any flashy European speed demon. He'd rather have someone he knows will take care in the curves and keep the paintwork spotless. What Fergie seems reluctant to accept is that there's no room for that kind of thinking at the top anymore. ManU can't build a dynasty if the plastics start finding shinier replica kits elsewhere. You either splash out or settle for scraps – and the Glazers must know it as well. Sir Alex's philosophy was written off along with Moyes' contract. Whatever United end up doing, they are probably in for some difficult times. Given their trophy cabinet it's hard to feel too sorry for them though.
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Apr 27, 2014 09:17
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Who do you want rid of? Nani and Young
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Apr 27, 2014 09:27
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julian assflange posted:Nani and Young That's all?
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Apr 27, 2014 09:55
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Who do you want rid of? One of Rooney or RvP. All three of Valencia, Nani and Young. Anderson. A load of players that were punts as youngsters who obviously won't make it i.e. Macheda, Bebe, Petrucci. No new contracts for Ferdinand, Evra or Giggs (as a player obv). Also Hernandez will leave for first team football and although I don't want him to go United shouldn't stand in his way. I think that's it.
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Apr 27, 2014 10:02
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I seem to recall Andersen sucking in his gut at some Italian medical during the window. Isn't he gone already?
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Apr 27, 2014 10:04
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He's on loan at Fiorentina but is so poo poo and injury prone he can barely get minutes in serie A.
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Apr 27, 2014 10:07
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Lot 49 posted:One of Rooney or RvP. That's going to leave you with an incredibly tiny squad though. I just ripped this off wikipedia: GKDavid de Gea DFRafael DF Phil Jones DF Jonny Evans MF Juan Mata FW Wayne Rooney DF Chris Smalling GK Anders Lindegaard MF Michael Carrick FW Danny Welbeck MF Tom Cleverley MF Darren Fletcher MF Shinji Kagawa DF Alexander Büttner DF Guillermo Varela MF Marouane Fellaini GK Ben Amos MF Adnan Januzaj You might have a shitton of money to spend but everyone will know you have to spend it - players won't come cheaply without European football, as we found out the past couple of seasons.
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Apr 27, 2014 10:30
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corpuscollossus posted:It depends who is handed the money. I think van Gaal is a front runner because of his track record of putting world class combinations together. Its also why Giggs has no chance. If they end up keen on Giggs maybe they can bring in a Director of Football with some experience/clout? Note: I don't really know what a DoF does though it seems like neither does anyone else really
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Apr 27, 2014 10:38
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Lot 49 posted:They need a massive clear out a lot more than a massive bringing in. Imo three new signings and a gently caress load of players shown the door would be ideal. It's not like you'll be in enough competitions to need the squad depth.
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Apr 27, 2014 10:38
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Modus Trollens posted:Ed Woodward
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@EvilHawk. 18 players in that list. Add three news signings and then Zaha, M. Keane, Lingard, maybe Powell and I think that's plenty large enough for a team that won't be in Europe next season. I expect they will have to pay a premium for players but as long as it's the right players that's fine by me. People were lolling at the rumours of £30m + 100k a week for Shaw the other day. That's definitely not value for money but United can afford it and if they are going to be overpaying for players anyway then they might as well make sure they are overpaying for quality players they actually need like Shaw. Besides if they do a clear out even anywhere close to what I would like to see then they'll raise an okay amount in sales and be saving a fortune from their wage bill. Lot 49 fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Apr 27, 2014 10:50
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Lot 49 posted:Besides if they do a clear out even anywhere close to what I would like to see then they'll raise an okay amount in sales and be saving a fortune from their wage bill. not if they hand out six figure contracts like candy to punish players also no one is paying anything for that dross
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Apr 27, 2014 10:54
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EvilHawk posted:That's going to leave you with an incredibly tiny squad though. I just ripped this off wikipedia: That's a squad of 18 Buy a left-back, central midfielder and probably an experienced centre-back as top priorities. Powell, Zaha, Henriquez (and others) back from loan could play a part as attacking cover. Then you're nearly at 25 which is pretty much a full squad.
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Apr 27, 2014 10:56
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Modus Trollens posted:also no one is paying anything for that dross They would though. Rodgers got Liverpool almost £30m when he hosed off their garbage like Carroll, Downing, Adams, Aquilani. You just have to forget about trying to make your money back and sell at like a 50% loss as soon as you get a sucker willing to buy.
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Apr 27, 2014 11:04
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Lot 49 posted:@EvilHawk. 18 players in that list. Add three news signings and then Zaha, M. Keane, Lingard, maybe Powell and I think that's plenty large enough for a team that won't be in Europe next season. I was going to say you won't win anything with a squad that small... but then I remembered how tiny our squad is and our position in the league. The difference with Liverpool is that the core of our squad stayed the same from last season to this - the only new players that came in to the first 11 were Sakho and Mignolet. Moyes/Giggs might have picked 52 difference squads this season but you're talking about getting rid of your first choice back four, a fair chunk of your wingers, and one of your two best strikers. But who the gently caress knows what's going to happen next season.
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Apr 27, 2014 11:10
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People didn't want to come to Liverpool because they had been poo poo for years and years AND weren't playing European football. Also nobody in Europe gave a gently caress about king Kenny and until February nobody gave a gently caress about Rodgers. That's why nobody wanted to join.
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Apr 27, 2014 11:14
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julian assflange posted:People didn't want to come to Liverpool because they had been poo poo for years and years AND weren't playing European football. Also nobody in Europe gave a gently caress about king Kenny and until February nobody gave a gently caress about Rodgers. That's why nobody wanted to join. United have lost being the best prospect in the PL now, and Moyes would never have been able to get anyone this summer. Van Gaal will help that a lot, but the money will have to be spent very well because United's first choice striker will go to Chelsea, first choice DM to City, and they'll have to outpay Liverpool and Arsenal for the rest. They have money so it's pretty far from doom and gloom, but the jobs a lot harder because other clubs have more money AND more chance of success now.
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Hoops posted:United have lost being the best prospect in the PL now, and Moyes would never have been able to get anyone this summer. What world do you live in?
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not not luvd posted:What world do you live in? edit: Money that City has more of. Look at Van Persie, if Ferguson had retired one year earlier he'd be at City now Hoops fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Apr 27, 2014 12:38
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Mackems are staying up this season aren't they  . They're finishing above Newcastle next season for sure
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Apr 27, 2014 13:00
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Filthee Fingas posted:Mackems are staying up this season aren't they The final game is against Swansea, if a Sunderland win puts Cardiff down then you'll find out what's welsh for "Oh Noooo"
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Apr 27, 2014 13:03
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EvilHawk posted:GKDavid de Gea Look at the defence! Rafael, Evans, Buttner, Varela are dire and Jones & Smalling aren't progressing like they should and will likely be second fiddle to two new first choice centre backs.
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Apr 27, 2014 13:06
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Remember when coming against Man U meant Ronnie Rooney and Tevez were running at you and Rio and Vidic were world class shutting down all your attacks? They're gonna do a spurs trying to fix that squad.
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Apr 27, 2014 13:48
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aeverous posted:Remember when coming against Man U meant Ronnie Rooney and Tevez were running at you and Rio and Vidic were world class shutting down all your attacks? They're gonna do a spurs trying to fix that squad. Are you trying to say that Ashley Young isn't an apt replacement for Cristiano Ronaldo or Carlos Tevez? Or that Jonny Evans isn't of the same standard as Vidic or Ferdinand of a few years ago? Madness!
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Apr 27, 2014 13:51
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James R posted:Look at the defence! Rafael, Evans, Buttner, Varela are dire and Jones & Smalling aren't progressing like they should and will likely be second fiddle to two new first choice centre backs.
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Apr 27, 2014 13:53
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Paperhouse posted:Varela just turned 21 and hasn't even appeared for the first team yet, well done on talking absolute bollocks When was the last time Man United had a defender progress from youth to first team and cement their place? Gary Neville? Yeah, I'd be willing to bet they'll bring in new players and he'll end up at Hull as a 32-year-old journeyman who never quite made it.
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James R posted:When was the last time Man United had a defender progress from youth to first team and cement their place? Gary Neville? Jonny Evans? Who is very good and who I'd trust completely
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