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Franco Caution posted:If this is true it is the best news! Finally, they're meeting the demands of the fifty or so vocal enthusiasts who are actually going to put their money where their mouth is and buy a manual Chevy SS! Personally I'm waiting for the new turbo Mustang and to see if I'm correct in assuming that it'll be the slowest Mustang off the showroom floor and the fastest/best Mustang after you drop a thousand bucks on the engine and void your warranty.
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Apr 28, 2014 01:57
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Yeah man but when they come down in price... I'd buy one new but I really wanted AWD, and have you seen that interior? It's ghastly.
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Apr 28, 2014 02:15
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Nidhg00670000 posted:A 2014 Mustang V6 is roughly 46k USD in Sweden, and our cars are a lot cheaper than in Norway to begin with. Mustangs and Camaros have never been neither cheap or given you much bang for your buck in Europe, and even if you exclude tax from the price they're much more expensive here than in the US. A lot of this may be due to being super low volume imports. Are they even officially sold there or is it through some sort of quasi-gray market import thing?
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subx posted:That's what surprised me about killing off the Crown Vic. I imagine it had to be unprofitable or they wouldn't have done it, but I don't understand HOW it was unprofitable. Those things were sold in huge numbers for every fleet industry in the country. For most businesses you either drove a truck or a Crown Vic. Rumor has it that a big part of the decision to not modernize it to meet new standards was also concerns about its impact on Ford's image in the midst of their big push to improve the brand and sell more non-trucks. In a lot of places the most common Ford people will ride in is taxis or cop cars and this does not help Ford's image considering it's basically a 70s holdover.
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Yeah man but when they come down in price... Which car you talking about? The Mustang or the SS?
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Yeah man but when they come down in price... Probably not low enough, it'll end up a unicorn like the G8 GXP with a handshaker.
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Coredump posted:Which car you talking about? The Mustang or the SS? I'm just taking the piss out of the Jalopnik-style commentariat who demand this exact car every year, but when it's actually made they don't buy it because $30-40k is hard to swing on a blogger's salary. Then they mumble something about bins full of parts and hard plastic. Although to be fair I've seen more than a few becoming self-aware and poking fun at the fabled 'dieselmanualbrownAWDwagonforunder20k' crowd. If you really want to rile em up tell them the largest automakers already offer V8 RWD/AWD four door vehicles for relatively cheap, tell them to buy a truck 
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Apr 28, 2014 16:10
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They don't even sell the SS in Canada, so even if I wanted one I couldn't buy one. It is a nice lookin' car though.
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:I'm just taking the piss out of the Jalopnik-style commentariat who demand this exact car every year, but when it's actually made they don't buy it because $30-40k is hard to swing on a blogger's salary. Then they mumble something about bins full of parts and hard plastic. Although to be fair I've seen more than a few becoming self-aware and poking fun at the fabled 'dieselmanualbrownAWDwagonforunder20k' crowd. Those guys get on my loving nerves because they're so unrealistic. Yes the Chevy SS will be a great used car pickup in a couple years, I expect them to depreciate like a rock, the problem is someone has to buy them NEW for them to be available used 3 to 5 years later. Car manufacturers don't care about the used market, they want to sell these things new. If no one buys them, they'll stop making them. What are used G8 GXP's selling for these days? Funny comment about the 4 door truck, it's basically the defacto family vehicle here in Texas. Many people I know have 4 door trucks and have never used them for any kind of truck necessary activity (towing, hauling, offroad travel), unless you count a big rear end Costco run as needing a truck. skipdogg fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Bigass four door truck is half the vehicles on the road here in PA, too. Once I think I even saw someone with something in the bed!
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skipdogg posted:Those guys get on my loving nerves because they're so unrealistic. Yes the Chevy SS will be a great used car pickup in a couple years, I expect them to depreciate like a rock, the problem is someone has to buy them NEW for them to be available used 3 to 5 years later. Car manufacturers don't care about the used market, they want to sell these things new. If no one buys them, they'll stop making them. I'm actually expecting the SS to hold value decently well. A decent 05/06 GTO is still over $15,000 and G8 GTs are still in the low 20s. G8 GXPs are listing for ~$30,000, but I don't know if they're actually selling.
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Sole Survivor posted:I'm actually expecting the SS to hold value decently well. A decent 05/06 GTO is still over $15,000 and G8 GTs are still in the low 20s. G8 GXPs are listing for ~$30,000, but I don't know if they're actually selling. That's my take on GXPs, too. I rarely see them under 30k, but the volume is so low, it's hard to gauge the market. I still kick myself for not trading my GTO in on one. I had knocked him down to sticker, and gotten a decent deal on the Goat, but I wasn't sure about my job security, and walked...  (Turns out I was right about the job, but still... )
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Sole Survivor posted:I'm actually expecting the SS to hold value decently well. A decent 05/06 GTO is still over $15,000 and G8 GTs are still in the low 20s. G8 GXPs are listing for ~$30,000, but I don't know if they're actually selling. When you consider that dealers basically gave GXPs away, they've hardly depreciated at all.
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oRenj9 posted:When you consider that dealers basically gave GXPs away, they've hardly depreciated at all. Didn't someone here snag one for like $22K?
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skipdogg posted:Those guys get on my loving nerves because they're so unrealistic. Yes the Chevy SS will be a great used car pickup in a couple years, I expect them to depreciate like a rock, the problem is someone has to buy them NEW for them to be available used 3 to 5 years later. Car manufacturers don't care about the used market, they want to sell these things new. If no one buys them, they'll stop making them. This comment is spot on. It's an endless cycle of complaining about no good cars being made, an auto manufacturer listening and then selling all of 2000, which will be priced out of their range until they're on their last legs.
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Look, all I want is a small, lightweight, ~$20k, purpose-built RWD sports car with a manual and no frills that drive up the price like all those stupid cars made and marketed toward fat stupid Americans. Oh, and it has to make more than 200hp I mean I don't want to be driving something slower than an Accord, and really it needs some good NVH dampening for when I'm on the highway, and would it be too much to ask for a good stereo and some nice soft-touch materials in the cabin so it doesn't feel like I'm driving a stripped-down economy car?
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"All I really want is basically a 911 or M3, but I don't want to pay for one. Car makers are assholes why do they hate enthusiasts so much?"
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Wheeee posted:Look, all I want is a small, lightweight, ~$20k, purpose-built RWD sports car with a manual and no frills that drive up the price like all those stupid cars made and marketed toward fat stupid Americans. Brand new? Brz/ft86 will be hitting low 20's soon for 2-3 year old car that meets your criteria. I want one but they won't be a good buy until the used market goes a bit lower imo.
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I just want a small truck about the size of the old Ranger or a little bigger, with a manual and a decent amount of OOMPH from the engine while also getting economy car levels of fuel economy.
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BraveUlysses posted:I want one but they won't be a good buy until the used market goes a bit lower imo. This is exactly the problem.
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PCOS Bill posted:I just want a small truck about the size of the old Ranger or a little bigger, with a manual and a decent amount of OOMPH from the engine while also getting economy car levels of fuel economy.  With the right gears you can probably have oomph and mid-20s MPG at the same time!
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BraveUlysses posted:Brz/ft86 
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BraveUlysses posted:Brz/ft86 will be hitting low 20's soon for 2-3 year old car that meets your criteria. I want one but they won't be a good buy until the used market goes a bit lower imo. This is a pretty good joke. Nice job.
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I just want a Volvo 240, except built now.
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PCOS Bill posted:I just want a small truck about the size of the old Ranger or a little bigger, with a manual and a decent amount of OOMPH from the engine while also getting economy car levels of fuel economy. Damnit Ford. Bring back the Ranger (or the Everest. That would do too).
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atomicthumbs posted:I just want a Volvo 240, except built now. Same except Toyota/Scion should do away with this tC malarkey and dig out all the old tooling for the 86-89 Celica and just build that instead. I mean, I probably still won't buy one new, and it's safety rating is probably hilariously bad, but come on, let's make this poo poo happen.
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atomicthumbs posted:I just want a Volvo 240, except built now. If they built a true 242 successor I would do everything in my power to buy one. Though the new Concept Estate looks interesting.
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Except you said around $20k when the BRZ/FRS costs more like $25-27k
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Apparently Hot Rod's ticket vendor screwed up and issued tickets to 351 Drag Week cars instead of the limit of 260. Hot Rod decided to run it anyway! Three hundred and fifty one cars will be doing Drag Week this year. http://blogs.hotrod.com/uh-oh-351-cars-are-registered-for-drag-week-2014-slight-changes-in-plan-here-113117.html Luckily, usually not everyone shows up. But can you imagine? Hundreds of snarling small blocks...
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ilkhan posted:I keep thinking the 2.7L ecoboost V6 in a ranger would be perfect, but I could handle the ecoboost 2.3L i4 too. Actually, seeing the dyno graphs between those 2 engines is going to be interesting. The turbos in the V6 are handling a lot less displacement each than the i4's turbo is. Even the 2.0 makes fairly significant power. More around 260/310 at the crank. Plenty for a Ranger, plus decent mpg.
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1791apparel posted:Even the 2.0 makes fairly significant power. More around 260/310 at the crank. Plenty for a Ranger, plus decent mpg. The 2.3L and the 2.7L are supposed to be 300+ HP though. 
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guys, they're making a new 510. everyone calm down
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A MIRACLE posted:guys, they're making a new 510. everyone calm down Officially? Where do you see this?
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http://www.nissanusa.com/future-and-concept-vehicles/idx
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So many people are going to be pissed when the production version ends up being a re-bodied Juke.
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I honestly wouldn't put it past nissan but the designer said it's going to be verrrry close to the concept
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A MIRACLE posted:I honestly wouldn't put it past nissan but the designer said it's going to be verrrry close to the concept It could easily look close to the concept with just the bumpers being fatter but I'm also in the "ha it's going to be a Juke coupe" camp because that would be funny as hell. They'd just wave their hands a little and go "AWD is better than RWD!"
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Terrible Robot posted:Same except Toyota/Scion should do away with this tC malarkey and dig out all the old tooling for the 86-89 Celica and just build that instead. I mean, I probably still won't buy one new, and it's safety rating is probably hilariously bad, but come on, let's make this poo poo happen. So a crappier FT-86 with half the power that you still wouldn't buy new. The tC exists because it's cheap and probably has good margins while the 86/BRZ is there more as a marketing exercise and probably won't turn a profit for a while.
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