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Fintilgin posted:Sorry dude, any game that releases with a map that looks like that is permanently inducted in the Hall of Fame for mocking, later fixes not withstanding. Alaska is over twice the size of France.
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I want to see Paradox gin up a globular map-mode just to see how playable it would be. At a sufficient zoom level, the curvature wouldn't be inconvenient, especially if you pinned the north-south axis so that you could only spin the globe along one axis. Of course, doing maps for the globe would be harder - you couldn't cleanly map a rectangular bitmap to the globe. But if you defined triangular dead zones in your bitmap you could still do it - you'd have to trial-and-error a little bit to make sure that provinces lined up if they spanned dead zones, though.
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Apr 28, 2014 17:13
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They hosed up Alaska in pretty much every game 'till recently (vic2 I think), it was like that in the original EU's and HOIs. The HoI3 map was really loving terrible on release though, how can you gently caress up the placement of stalingrad so badly in a WW2 game?
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Apr 28, 2014 17:39
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DStecks posted:So go play a hex-based game then? This is my opinion as well. I'm quite happy sending a tank army into a province and hearing that my general managed to encircle ten divisions there, rather than micromanaging that encirclement personally by setting fifteen waypoints.
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Megadyptes posted:They hosed up Alaska in pretty much every game 'till recently (vic2 I think), it was like that in the original EU's and HOIs. The HoI3 map was really loving terrible on release though, how can you gently caress up the placement of stalingrad so badly in a WW2 game? Only map-spergs know where Stalingrad was. Apparently. Darkrenown posted:We had the map-sperg mod team re-do the HoI3 map in FTM or TFH. Apparently that's still not good enough for true map-spergs though? That's good to know.
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I can't believe I'm about to complain about this, but Allentown is nowhere near where the updated HOI3 map has it. It's basically in-between Philadelphia and Scranton, while the current map has it south of Philly in Delaware. The Wilkes-Barre or Carbondale provinces are probably what would more accurately be called Allentown, not the current province. Harrisburg is also north of Gettysburg, where the current province of Huntingdon is, not right next to Reading. Additionally, Carlisle is north-west of Gettysburg. I know way too much about PA's geography. I suppose it is I who is the true map-sperg 
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Fintilgin posted:Sorry dude, any game that releases with a map that looks like that is permanently inducted in the Hall of Fame for mocking, later fixes not withstanding. Sure, I guess? I'm just saying that's not in the current version since there seemed to be confusion on the subject and "Haha, this is what HoI3 looked like 5 years ago before they changed it" didn't seem too topical.
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uPen posted:Alaska is over twice the size of France. This is a dark path you travel down, uPen! 
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Apr 28, 2014 18:36
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Darkrenown posted:Sure, I guess? I'm just saying that's not in the current version since there seemed to be confusion on the subject and "Haha, this is what HoI3 looked like 5 years ago before they changed it" didn't seem too topical. My screenshots were from For the Motherland
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Apr 28, 2014 18:53
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Farecoal posted:My screenshots were from For the Motherland There's your problem, should've been playing For the Mothland.
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Darkrenown posted:Sure, I guess? I'm just saying that's not in the current version since there seemed to be confusion on the subject and "Haha, this is what HoI3 looked like 5 years ago before they changed it" didn't seem too topical. yah but mocking devs for letting this  happen in a released game is still amusing. also the changes require you to pay for some expansions. glad you guys sorted that out with CK2 and its dlcs, even if EU4 went a bit overboard with dumb poo poo on release.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:00
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PleasingFungus posted:This is a dark path you travel down, uPen! I've seen that screencap so many times, but only after experience with DH do I realize that literally every coastal province on that map has landing beaches, which totally defeats the purpose of having a landing beach mechanic in the first place.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:00
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PleasingFungus posted:This is a dark path you travel down, uPen! Finally, every Canadian's dream of nuking Oshawa can be fulfilled.
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DStecks posted:I've seen that screencap so many times, but only after experience with DH do I realize that literally every coastal province on that map has landing beaches, which totally defeats the purpose of having a landing beach mechanic in the first place. IIRC, that was just for testing/debugging purposes. Not quite as bad as it looks.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:22
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I do appreciate what is probably one of the only representations of Worcester, Massachusetts in a video game.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Finally, every Canadian's dream of nuking Oshawa can be fulfilled. What I love is that the largely-uninhabited Labrador needs 7 provinces, AKA 1 province for every ~4500 residents. And even accepting that the province division are for combat purposes, not demographic ones, they also added like a thousand provinces to Sub-Saharan Africa; which, considering that Africa in HOI is divided up amongst Allied and Neutral countries, will never see combat unless some impossibly ahistorical poo poo goes down.
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Why do all these devs keep adding more provinces? Who wants them? Most people here seem to complain about too many useless provinces. Hell I found HOI2 had too many provinces in some areas, but was mostly just-right. I guess it allows for fancier maneuvers? Is that it? I've never really played these games for "the micro" but when it's there I feel obliged to dig in because it feels like you have to to get ahead.
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DStecks posted:I've seen that screencap so many times, but only after experience with DH do I realize that literally every coastal province on that map has landing beaches, which totally defeats the purpose of having a landing beach mechanic in the first place. That's not Darkest Hour's map, though, that's Hearts of Iron 2's.
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PleasingFungus posted:This is a dark path you travel down, uPen! You couldn't pick more ugly as poo poo colours for Canada there.
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Gort posted:That's not Darkest Hour's map, though, that's Hearts of Iron 2's. No its Iron Cross, a lovely mod/game based on Hearts of Iron 2 
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axeil posted:I know way too much about PA's geography. I suppose it is I who is the true map-sperg Norristown being to the west of Philadelphia is amusing, I agree with wiping Delaware County off the face of the earth. We're the loving worst place in the entire state. Though I must admit the WWII period is probably the high point of the area, going through Chester and Marcus Hook is an easy way to see what 1940s factories looked like. They're all there rotting away with the windows bricked up.
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Apr 28, 2014 20:25
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Hey it's okay if Alaska is kinda hosed up, it's not like is has to be well-represented in a WWII game, right?
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Yeah I mean its not like there was an invasion there or anything.
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StashAugustine posted:Hey it's okay if Alaska is kinda hosed up, it's not like is has to be well-represented in a WWII game, right? It doesn't really matter in the big picture but my major problem with the HoI3 map is it's just plain ugly. This might just be me and my preferences but I don't enjoy looking at that map.
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uPen posted:It doesn't really matter in the big picture but my major problem with the HoI3 map is it's just plain ugly. This might just be me and my preferences but I don't enjoy looking at that map. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign (  )
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uPen posted:I'm aware, but not properly modeling the North Pacific theater is hardly HoI3's greatest offense.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:No its Iron Cross, a lovely mod/game based on Hearts of Iron 2 That's the E3 map actually, a project for Darkest Hour which several modders have decided to use. Apparently a lot of the forums think it's actually going to be implemented in some official capacity.
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My first thought when I saw that New England/Canada map was "that makes perfect sense, you need those provinces for the USA etc. to fight Canada." But then I remembered that Darkest Hour != Kaiserreich and suddenly those provinces are less justifiable.
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VostokProgram posted:But then I remembered that Darkest Hour != Kaiserreich and suddenly those provinces are less justifiable.
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Ofaloaf posted:To be fair, last I knew the KR team was already working on making a version of the mod with that map. The mapmaker meant for it to be open for anyone to use. Last I checked we're not. I don't even want to think about balancing the AI and unit numbers for a map like that.
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Ofaloaf posted:To be fair, last I knew the KR team was already working on making a version of the mod with that map. The mapmaker meant for it to be open for anyone to use. I think that's the real key in making a good map. It's way more justified to flesh out Eastern Europe, North Africa, etc. in a WW2 game than adding 5,000 provinces to Central Asia in case the Sino-Soviet split happens 20 years early and turns into a hot war.
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I'm playing Hearts of Iron 3 as Turkey, and for the first time I think I know what I'm doing in a Hearts of Iron game, but I have a bit of a problem. My plan was the join the Comintern, and I made some good progress, but now Japan is influencing me to the Axis more than I am influenced to the Comintern. Is there any way I can get them to stop or boost my Comintern drift, or will I just have to accept my fate as an Axis member? E: They just stopped on their own (or as a delayed reaction to my embargo) but for future reference it would be nice if I had any idea how to get them to stop. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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DrProsek posted:I'm playing Hearts of Iron 3 as Turkey, and for the first time I think I know what I'm doing in a Hearts of Iron game, but I have a bit of a problem. My plan was the join the Comintern, and I made some good progress, but now Japan is influencing me to the Axis more than I am influenced to the Comintern. Is there any way I can get them to stop or boost my Comintern drift, or will I just have to accept my fate as an Axis member? Play a different game? You have less influence on your own government than every other country on the planet. I know it's not really helpful advice but it is just one of many reasons HoI3 is so frustrating. For real advice just edit the save file. It's what I inevitably do whenever I get fed up with one system or another of HoI3's.
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VostokProgram posted:But then I remembered that Darkest Hour != Kaiserreich and suddenly those provinces are less justifiable. Raskolnikov38 posted:No its Iron Cross, a lovely mod/game based on Hearts of Iron 2
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Again, it's not Iron Cross, it's this thing. EDIT: And in case anyone asks, it doesn't have anything to do with Iron Cross, despite the similarities. I asked as much.
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DrProsek posted:I'm playing Hearts of Iron 3 as Turkey, and for the first time I think I know what I'm doing in a Hearts of Iron game, but I have a bit of a problem. My plan was the join the Comintern, and I made some good progress, but now Japan is influencing me to the Axis more than I am influenced to the Comintern. Is there any way I can get them to stop or boost my Comintern drift, or will I just have to accept my fate as an Axis member? Japan doesn't actually want you in the Axis, which is why they stopped, but they don't want you joining an opposing faction either. You've just been Comiblocked. There's not much you can do, if SOV were interested they could influence you in, or if the Axis actually attack you you should join the opposing faction you're closest to.
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DrProsek posted:I'm playing Hearts of Iron 3 as Turkey, and for the first time I think I know what I'm doing in a Hearts of Iron game, but I have a bit of a problem. My plan was the join the Comintern, and I made some good progress, but now Japan is influencing me to the Axis more than I am influenced to the Comintern. Is there any way I can get them to stop or boost my Comintern drift, or will I just have to accept my fate as an Axis member? Did you align towards Comintern? I always thought that makes you align faster than any influence. Also, try to get communists into power I guess.
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Rincewind posted:I do appreciate what is probably one of the only representations of Worcester, Massachusetts in a video game. It's the second largest city in New England! I do enjoy trying to figure out how on earth Japan would manage to influence the politics or foreign policy of Turkey in the slightest.
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Rogue0071 posted:I do enjoy trying to figure out how on earth Japan would manage to influence the politics or foreign policy of Turkey in the slightest. Turkey, and particularly Istanbul was THE place to be in WW2 if you were a spy. As for the practicalities I would imagine a combination of threats (remember they are speaking for all of axis), bribes and sleeping with the right people
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