Doctor Spaceman posted:Personally I'm okay with not forcing constitutional crisis just because the Coalition are in government. We should trigger a double dissolution every time the coalition or labor are in power. Also isn't the point of the GG to kind of function as a watchdog to make sure the people in power aren't loving everything up. We have a government that's lied on every single promise, is taking steps to self-destruct the Australian economy and ratfuck the country and its citizens, and the traditional checks/balances are failing because its opposition is equal parts corrupt and incompetent. Under what circumstances should a democratically-elected but damaging government be ousted by the GG? I mean just off the top of your head, what poo poo qualifies as "this is obviously the opposite of what a government operating in the country's best interests would do"? An unwinnable war with China? Debt slavery? Slavery in general? Reintroduction of the WAP?
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:17 |
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I'm glad to see the Bong Snortin has finally found his voice, valiantly defending the rich from the threat of a small tax increase.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:20 |
I'm at work so that response was kind of slapdash but what I mean is, under what circumstances would you be happy to trigger a DD considering all the poo poo that a government in the right context could force through if the opposition party were either sufficiently incompetent or corrupt enough to not block its actions. I.e. if a lovely government were functioning unopposed. What checks or balances do we have to offset the damage they could cause in the 3 years prior to the next election? And with no guarantee that the next election would perform any differently given the aforementioned (hypothetical, naturally) absence of a legitimate opposition party.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:We should trigger a double dissolution every time the coalition or labor are in power. A DD before July 1 is a constitutional mess, and a DD afterwards is just doubling-down on the crazy senate. As for when you'd want to block supply, I think at the very least you'd end need a strong inkling that you'd end up with a better government afterwards.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:21 |
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These liberal backbenchers are taking permanent opposition to the next level.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:22 |
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Haters Objector posted:I'm glad to see the Bong Snortin has finally found his voice, valiantly defending the rich from the threat of a small tax increase. It worked for Abbott!
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:24 |
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This is amazingly fukt. Is there actually someone capable of replacing the ahhhh, charisma of Tony?
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:28 |
Doctor Spaceman posted:IANAL, but I'm also pretty sure that there's not a clear answer to that question. I didn't mean in a legal sense really, more theoretical/philosophical. I was asking about the checks and balances that are supposed to stop a government from operating too far beyond of its 'mandate' (oh lord). As far as I'm aware the success of these C/Bs kind of hangs on the idea that the opposition party will have its own agency and will still be functionally capable of recognising and supporting public dissatisfaction with the governing party, and that if the people are satisfied with neither party, they will elevate the power of tertiary parties. But that's still waiting for the next election, and there are a lot of logistical and practical requirements that actually slows that inertia, no matter how dissatisfied people get. But for those 3 years a government running unopposed can enact some pretty loving harsh measures that can take 40 years to repeal. What do we do then?
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Shadeoses posted:This is amazingly fukt. Prime Minister Hockey Prime Minister Bishop Prime Minister Turnbull Prime Minister Pyne Prime Minister Morrison brb my keyboard appears to have been covered in bile
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:33 |
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Troy Buswell got drunk at a wedding and crashed his government car into a bunch of other cars, a roundabout, the gate to his house etc. Fined $3,100 and loses his licence for 12 months. Remains in Parliament and will probably return to the ministry. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-29/former-wa-treasurer-buswell-admits-to-driving-offences/5418122
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:36 |
^ Probably came back from a party-showing of The Wolf of Wall StreetLid posted:Prime Minister Hockey A succession of knife-wielding Brutuses standing over a growing pile of flabby corpses lying on News Corp's floor
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:40 |
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:^ Probably came back from a party-showing of The Wolf of Wall Street The Liberal Prime Ministership is like four politicians standing on the edge of a cliff...
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:42 |
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Lid posted:Prime Minister Hockey Prime Minister Hockey Treasurer Bishop Immigration Minister Turnbull Foreign Affairs Minister Pyne Education Minister Morrison
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:52 |
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Nuclear Spy posted:Imagine a shake up of the Cabinet:
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 11:56 |
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It would depend who wins out of Hockey, Bishop or Turnbull. Both have their grudges to bare against the others in the front ranks and it's clear that if Turnbull returns then Pyne could get sent to the back, at the least. I could see a Hockey or Bishop administration kicking out Turnbull and any other related "dissenters" in order to keep as much of the Abbott bench intact as possible. It's clear that in their eyes the communication minster's position is pretty much a dunce corner, so anyone can keep the seat warm, it's almost the perfect spot to put Pyne as it keeps him to the side and he's pitiless enough to see it as defeating Turnbull.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:01 |
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Ludlam-sama's Facebook says the Greens have the third slot in the Senate! edit: Wait, misread it, thought he meant they got three seats.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:03 |
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Sulla-Marius brings up a very good point: our GG is useless. This is the absolute worst government by every conceivable measure, but the GG has no real power to do anything, and doesn't actually function as the emergency plug puller that they are supposed to be. Remove the role of Governor General, replace it with an inquisitor?
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:05 |
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Nuclear Spy posted:Education Minister Morrison "You will never see Australian schools.".
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:08 |
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This tax hike is probably the first thing Abbott's got right. I was afraid of the cut spending and taxes austerity approach that would surely slow the economy ultimately leading to it tanking. Maybe next he'll figure that the other taxes he wants to cut might help his budget, and that cutting some concessions for the rich will as well. Edit: To accompany the Hillsong chat, some god botherer on my fb fawning over some hillsong song.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:14 |
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HAHAHAquote:Retail boss Gerry Harvey has slammed the Abbott government’s proposed ''deficit levy'', saying it will do nothing to fix the big economic problem facing Australia.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:22 |
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Not one of the people who I expected to be better at economics than the PM.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:25 |
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"It's baddies vs baddies."
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:26 |
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Shadeoses posted:Not one of the people who I expected to be better at opposition than the Opposition Leader. EDIT: Shadeoses posted:Another person who I expected to be better at opposition than the Opposition Leader.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:27 |
Lid, that post about possible future prime ministers made me gag. Please don't do it again.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:28 |
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This is too funny. Who would have thought the public would be mad at Abbott for introducing a great big new tax after he spent the last three years attacking the government for introducing a "great big new tax"?
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:28 |
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Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:Lid, that post about possible future prime ministers made me gag. Prime Minister Truss (Blame Splode.) Prime Minister Andrews
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:30 |
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Oh and the NSW Liberals were literally money laundering using fronts.quote:ICAC witness admits fake invoice So that's a thing.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:46 |
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Double down on the stupid, let's go Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce I can't believe it has taken under a year for the Liberals to start to self implode. The shitfest with the NSW State Libs must not be helping
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:53 |
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You Am I posted:Double down on the stupid, let's go Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce Having gone through the entire Abbott ministry literally Barnaby Joyce is the best person for the job after Abbott. Not even being facetious. If you can find a better alternative be my guest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Ministry#Cabinet
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:58 |
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You Am I posted:Double down on the stupid, let's go Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce un-ironically think he would be better than half of the people already mentioned.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:59 |
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Lid posted:Having gone through the entire Abbott ministry literally Barnaby Joyce is the best person for the job after Abbott.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:01 |
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Lid posted:Having gone through the entire Abbott ministry literally Barnaby Joyce is the best person for the job after Abbott. Not even being facetious. I dunno, Prime Minister Andrews could make a fair go of it
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:04 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Personally I'm okay with not forcing constitutional crisis just because the Coalition are in government. I'm of the opinion that the coalition being in government is inherently a constitutional crisis.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:05 |
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Jonah Galtberg posted:I dunno, Prime Minister Andrews could make a fair go of it He's the only person in parliament more fundamentalist Catholic than Abbott. Also racist. Also quote:In 2011, as a Liberal Shadow Cabinet frontbencher Andrews published a critique of the Greens policy agenda for Quadrant Magazine in which he wrote that the Australian Greens' "objective involves a radical transformation of the culture that underpins Western civilisation" and that their agenda would threaten the "Judeo-Christian/Enlightenment synthesis that upholds the individual" as well as "the economic system that has resulted in the creation of wealth and prosperity for the most people in human history."
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Lid posted:He's the only person in parliament more fundamentalist Catholic than Abbott. Also racist. Also
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:09 |
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Lid posted:He's the only person in parliament more fundamentalist Catholic than Abbott. Also racist. Also yes, yes, that's the kind of PM this country deserves
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:14 |
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Reminder, Tony dropped out of Priest School because he refused to accept the doctrine of kindness and mercy.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:17 |
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:18 |
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ABC Journo John Stewart posted:Breaking: Cambodia agrees to take asylum seekers from Australia #Auspol Tonight on #Lateline 1030pm. So. This is happening.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:18 |
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Jonah Galtberg posted:I dunno, Prime Minister Andrews could make a fair go of it Andrews is a horrible person. Also a possible vampire.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 13:18 |