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Good art goons. Why do y'all hate Dan Slott? I'm reading Spiderman in the rotating artist period and I had noticed he has an affinity for Claremontesque expository inner monologue, am I just gonna have to deal with it? Also, I think Bachalo is growing on me....
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zoux posted:Good art goons. I can't speak for anyone else, but I think his pacing is really bad and he has a poor handle on characterization--that is, not just a poor handle on the voices of certain characters, but a poor handle on making characters sound like believable humans in general. Especially when they are anyone besides the protagonist of a book. Sometimes he makes up for it by keeping his stories light and fun, and here and there I genuinely enjoy a story he's done, but I find it hard to tolerate him on Spider-man. Edit: I should also say I don't hate Dan Slott, I just think his bad work outweighs the good.
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Apr 29, 2014 01:10
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zoux posted:Good art goons. Because he's loving garbage and writes bad books.
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Apr 29, 2014 01:11
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The Dagda posted:I can't speak for anyone else, but I think his pacing is really bad and he has a poor handle on characterization--that is, not just a poor handle on the voices of certain characters, but a poor handle on making characters sound like believable humans in general. Especially when they are anyone besides the protagonist of a book. Sometimes he makes up for it by keeping his stories light and fun, and here and there I genuinely enjoy a story he's done, but I find it hard to tolerate him on Spider-man. Spiderman was on like a weekly schedule at the time right? Can't imagine that would help a writer. Literally The Worst posted:Because he's loving garbage and writes bad books. I see....
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Apr 29, 2014 01:13
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zoux posted:Spiderman was on like a weekly schedule at the time right? Can't imagine that would help a writer.
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Apr 29, 2014 01:36
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zoux posted:Spiderman was on like a weekly schedule at the time right? Can't imagine that would help a writer. Slott's work was never great, it's probably the low point of the BND Spider-Man, but it's no worse than average filler comics.
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Apr 29, 2014 03:01
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What exactly does Quesada do as "chief creative officer" and was he fired through promotion or was it his idea?
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Apr 29, 2014 05:25
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zoux posted:What exactly does Quesada do as "chief creative officer" and was he fired through promotion or was it his idea? I am pretty sure it means that he is the highest person in the Marvel hierarchy. He is above the editor in chief.
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Apr 29, 2014 05:30
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bobkatt013 posted:I am pretty sure it means that he is the highest person in the Marvel hierarchy. He is above the editor in chief. I mean, was there anyone above him as as EiC though? Maybe it's less of a workload, I dunno. Also I said gently caress it and started reading Hawkguy, which I'd been saving for a rainy day. OMG David Aja you guys.
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Apr 29, 2014 05:52
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zoux posted:I mean, was there anyone above him as as EiC though? Maybe it's less of a workload, I dunno. Jemas was.
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Apr 29, 2014 05:56
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Beanpants posted:shut up guys im a spy now im darkspied   In a confusing turn Marvel announce Thanos: The Winter Soldier to desperately try and compete.
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Apr 29, 2014 06:56
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I love the worst runs thread, but has there ever been a best runs thread?
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Apr 29, 2014 07:38
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zoux posted:I love the worst runs thread, but has there ever been a best runs thread? I predict a lot of arguing.
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Apr 29, 2014 07:54
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While we're on the subject of threads, would a costume thread interest people? We could talk about costume design and post weird/crazy/horrible obscure costumes, too.
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Apr 29, 2014 08:11
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Schneider Heim posted:While we're on the subject of threads, would a costume thread interest people? We could talk about costume design and post weird/crazy/horrible obscure costumes, too. I'd like to settle the question of who had the most alternate outfits.
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Apr 29, 2014 08:15
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There was a costume thread and it should definitely live again.
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Apr 29, 2014 08:18
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Schneider Heim posted:While we're on the subject of threads, would a costume thread interest people? We could talk about costume design and post weird/crazy/horrible obscure costumes, too. I think Kitty's Sprite costume wins all three of those.
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Apr 29, 2014 08:20
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Costume threads and "best of" threads have appeared every now and again and just end up floating into the archives sometimes but there's nothing wrong with starting a new thread.
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Apr 29, 2014 08:34
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bobkatt013 posted:I am pretty sure it means that he is the highest person in the Marvel hierarchy. He is above the editor in chief. What's the big difference between Marvel and DC as far as the creative hierarchy goes? It seems to me that Geoff Johns, who's CCO at DC, has a lot less influence than Quesada enjoys in the same job at Marvel, and then it's derived from his popularity as a writer rather than his corporate position. Like, Tom Brevoort's current role at Marvel is equivalent to what Dan DiDio had before he was co-publisher (or maybe it's the one he has now; I'm not sure) and he seems to have less pull as regards the creative direction of the line than DiDio does at DC. zoux posted:I love the worst runs thread, but has there ever been a best runs thread? There was a hidden gems thread for underrated runs, but I think it's archived now.
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Apr 29, 2014 09:08
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Johns has less influence than Quesada because Johns woe some mediocre books and had a huge hand in Green Lantern while Quesada as EIC helped pull Marvel out of bankruptcy, become the biggest comic maker out there, and consulted on some huge movies. As CCO, I think he manages and coordinates both the comics and movies The positions are also different because Marvel has the comics and movies both report to the publisher, while DC entertainment is a subsidiary of WB movies. E: And Axel Alonso is the EIC, Brevoort is an editor
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Apr 29, 2014 12:52
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StumblyWumbly posted:E: And Axel Alonso is the EIC, Brevoort is an editor Yes, I phrased that poorly. What I meant was, Brevoort is currently Senior VP of Publishing at Marvel, which I think was what DiDio did at DC before he and Jim Lee took over from Paul Levitz.
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Apr 29, 2014 13:33
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StumblyWumbly posted:Slott's work was never great, it's probably the low point of the BND Spider-Man, but it's no worse than average filler comics. The problem is when it stops being filler and becomes the entire book.
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Apr 29, 2014 14:15
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Quesada's position means he works more in Marvel media rather than comics? Or maybe he is like the go-between between the comics and the television/animated/movie/video game stuff?
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notthegoatseguy posted:Quesada's position means he works more in Marvel media rather than comics? Or maybe he is like the go-between between the comics and the television/animated/movie/video game stuff? He has some influence over creative folks and creative direction for all of Marvel. Also, Quesada is the 2nd hit when I googled Chief Creative Officer.
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Apr 29, 2014 17:01
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I was watching Road to Perdition the other day and I knew that it was based on comic. I have never read the comic but it got me wondering how good the comics that movies are based actually are. I am talking about comics like Road to Perdition, Ghost World, History of Violence, Men in Black, the Mask etc. Basically any movie based on a comic that isn't done by the big 2.
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Apr 29, 2014 17:25
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Jesus Christ Bendis' Daredevil run. Looking forward to getting to read this through Brubaker, and I hear Waid's run is pretty loving good too. Is Diggle's stuff ok? So, Marvel name drops DC superheroes all the time. Do DC characters ever name drop Marvel guys?
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Apr 29, 2014 18:15
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Schneider Heim posted:While we're on the subject of threads, would a costume thread interest people? We could talk about costume design and post weird/crazy/horrible obscure costumes, too. Is it gonna be a pure mock thread or can we post costumes we like as well?
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Apr 29, 2014 18:17
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Madkal posted:I was watching Road to Perdition the other day and I knew that it was based on comic. I have never read the comic but it got me wondering how good the comics that movies are based actually are. I am talking about comics like Road to Perdition, Ghost World, History of Violence, Men in Black, the Mask etc. Basically any movie based on a comic that isn't done by the big 2. The History of Violence comic is not as good as the movie. It's less restrained in what it shows and that works against the story. While the movie also has this sort of explosions of violence, they come as a shock and as a way to break sort of calm and suspense between the scenes (and the perception that Vigo Mortensen's character is just a regular person with no ties to the mobsters). In the comic we find out rather early the main character's story and his relationship with the "bad guys" so it has to escalate both the violence and the reveals in order to surprise or shock the reader, which ends up feeling played out and kind of ridiculous to be honest. Basically, the movie is a much tighter story and is better told. And as I understand it, the MiB comics were much darker and more conspiracy theory than fun sci-fi romp.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:25
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zoux posted:Jesus Christ Bendis' Daredevil run. Looking forward to getting to read this through Brubaker, and I hear Waid's run is pretty loving good too. Is Diggle's stuff ok? Nnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Apr 29, 2014 18:40
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zoux posted:Jesus Christ Bendis' Daredevil run. Looking forward to getting to read this through Brubaker, and I hear Waid's run is pretty loving good too. Is Diggle's stuff ok? Diggle's stuff starts out....okay, I guess, but ends really, really badly. I swear it didn't start out completely awful. I remember liking the Dark Reign The List tie-in he wrote.
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It was pretty okay up until Shadowland, which was just the worst bullshit copout reverse from the Bendis and Brubaker runs possible. The Reborn miniseries was just kinda pointless, but it brought us to the Waid run, so hey.
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Madkal posted:I was watching Road to Perdition the other day and I knew that it was based on comic. I have never read the comic but it got me wondering how good the comics that movies are based actually are. I am talking about comics like Road to Perdition, Ghost World, History of Violence, Men in Black, the Mask etc. Basically any movie based on a comic that isn't done by the big 2. I highly suggest the Mask comics. Not only do they hold up, but they also work as a fascinating companion piece to how the movie and even cartoon series turned out. Like imagine the movie with a hard R rating due to violence because hitting someone with a mallet would cause horrible, bloody damage to your average human being. Instead of glorifying the Mask's powers as being this awesome thing, it's really shown as being a terrible, life-destroying vice. Sure, you're invincible when you wear it, but it makes you overly impulsive with no concept of repercussions. You'll pay for it the next day like the world's worst hangover and within a week, your life will be in shambles. Rick Remender's Venom run borrows a lot from it. It's also interesting because the hero of the movie/cartoon is a complete scumbag in the comic who doesn't last especially long in the initial story. Meanwhile, the closest thing the comics have to a heroic protagonist is a comic relief side-antagonist in the movie/cartoon. The crossovers with Batman and Lobo are also pretty fun. Pretty sure the Batman one is the last story in Mask continuity and that was about 15 years ago.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:48
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Schneider Heim posted:While we're on the subject of threads, would a costume thread interest people? We could talk about costume design and post weird/crazy/horrible obscure costumes, too. I thought we had one semi-recently? Either way I'd definitely post there, I really enjoy dissecting superhero costume design and looking at redesigns and such.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:52
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Whoever creates the costume thread needs to put this in the op Tim Gun on comics costume part 1 and 2
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Apr 29, 2014 19:15
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Doing some cross posting but Image comics are throwing down the digital gauntlet and everyone in BSS should get this. Even if just for like East of West or Saga or Fatale.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:24
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Waterhaul posted:Doing some cross posting but Image comics are throwing down the digital gauntlet and everyone in BSS should get this.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:29
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So I'm assuming that when May comes along, I should get the average tier and get Saga?
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Apr 29, 2014 19:33
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Solaris Knight posted:So I'm assuming that when May comes along, I should get the average tier and get Saga? Yes.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:35
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I've heard a ot of hype about these books, and this seems like a really insanely good bargain to get on the ground floor of them, and for the price of like, 2 issues of a DC or Marvel book.
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Solaris Knight posted:I've heard a ot of hype about these books, and this seems like a really insanely good bargain to get on the ground floor of them, and for the price of like, 2 issues of a DC or Marvel book. Every one of those books except Morning Glories is a home run.
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