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Population numbers on the ethnic breakdown of the Ottoman empire right before world war 1 is a... controversial issue. Some people think that the Ottoman's under-counted non Turks and several French and British ethnographers and geographers complained about this. The Armenian Patriarchate also had very different numbers from the Turkish government, but they were probably based on shakier foundations than Istanbul's.
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icantfindaname posted:
I wasn't saying he wouldn't treat the Armenians well, I was talking about everyone else who would have been affected in a enforced treaty of Sevres. khwarezm posted:Population numbers on the ethnic breakdown of the Ottoman empire right before world war 1 is a... controversial issue. Some people think that the Ottoman's under-counted non Turks and several French and British ethnographers and geographers complained about this. The Armenian Patriarchate also had very different numbers from the Turkish government, but they were probably based on shakier foundations than Istanbul's. 
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Apr 28, 2014 07:33
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Here's a WW1 propaganda map for China Poor Germany just gets a sausage around Shandong.
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Is that a pug? I am a fan of this map.
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Apr 29, 2014 09:53
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Wow it's by the SCMP. I read that newspaper every day.
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What's with all the WW1 animal maps?
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Ofaloaf posted:I was looking for maps of Roman Catholic concentrations in the US in GIS, and came upon this map from an ancestry.com page instead: I don't remember Paris being in Normandy either. If you make a map you should get the actual map stuff right. I don't know why you would bother otherwise. e: Burgandy Emanuel Collective posted:you call that Greater Turkey? It's very important that we have access to the Arctic Sea Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 12:51
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Grand Fromage posted:What's with all the WW1 animal maps? I think they were the lolcats of the early 20th century.
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Phlegmish posted:It's very important that we have access to the Arctic Sea You joke now but wait until the arctic becomes ice free
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V for Vegas posted:Here's a WW1 propaganda map for China I liked how they were trying to draw an English Bulldog and drew a pug instead.
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The Monkey Man posted:I liked how they were trying to draw an English Bulldog and drew a pug instead. Pugs are apparently Chinese dogs although I've never seen China portrayed as one before (I guess pandas were new and dragons sort of went against the point).
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Eh, The Yakuts are a plurality in the Sakha Republic so it makes as much sense as anything else on that map.
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computer parts posted:Pugs are apparently Chinese dogs although I've never seen China portrayed as one before (I guess pandas were new and dragons sort of went against the point). Pugs were in Europe so long that they were bred much differently than the original Chinese pugs- check out these pictures of 18th and early 19th-century pugs that look barely anything like the modern breed. Also, note how that pug is wearing a monocle and sitting right on Hong Kong- I'm pretty sure it's supposed to represent Britain. (As you can guess from my avatar, I really love pugs) Semi-related: 
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Apr 29, 2014 15:22
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I am not sure I get where Shiba Inu are on that map.
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I think the inclusion of the Shiba Inu just indicates the common breed the others are all related to, with the others being region-specific.
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kalstrams posted:I am not sure I get where Shiba Inu are on that map. Dokdo/Takeshima island obviously.
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Disco Infiva posted:Dokdo/Takeshima island obviously. Now we know the real reason everyone claims them.
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I've heard they're really awful nippy bitey barky dogs.
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Baronjutter posted:I've heard they're really awful nippy bitey barky dogs. They are dogs that think they are cats.
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Bloodnose posted:Wow it's by the SCMP. I read that newspaper every day. It's by Tse Tsan Tai, one of the co-founders of the SCMP no less! I was in HK last week (where I originally saw this map at the HK museum) and sat down and read an edition of the SCMP - it's basically just 'crazy poo poo that happens in Hong Kong and the mainland', it was hilarious.
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The Monkey Man posted:Also, note how that pug is wearing a monocle and sitting right on Hong Kong- I'm pretty sure it's supposed to represent Britain. 1. This is an excellent sentence. 2. It could just be a one-eyed pug which is a common thing especially back then when veterinary medicine wasn't as good. If they're taking jabs at China, "half-blind" isn't a bad one.
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Javid posted:2. It could just be a one-eyed pug which is a common thing especially back then when veterinary medicine wasn't as good. If they're taking jabs at China, "half-blind" isn't a bad one. The pug is wearing the Open Door Policy tag, as well as the Integrity motto. It clearly represents western powers because these concepts were the main approaches of foreign nations to implementing the regime stemming from the Unequal treaties. It's nevertheless confusing why it should represent Britain specifically. Open Doors were inspired by the British policy, but the concept was ultimately coined by Americans; the Americans were also the main proponents of protecting the territorial integrity of China, in order to protect her from less "liberal" forms of imperialism than those that were already in place.
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steinrokkan posted:The pug is wearing the Open Door Policy tag, as well as the Integrity motto. It clearly represents western powers because these concepts were the main approaches of foreign nations to implementing the regime stemming from the Unequal treaties. Pretty much. America campaigned for "Open Doors" because they knew they couldn't project power like Britain and if they cloaked things in terms of laissez faire free trade that they could get the other Europeans on board. Then America's advantage in its independent merchant marine would far outweigh its inability to create its own colonies.
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steinrokkan posted:The pug is wearing the Open Door Policy tag, as well as the Integrity motto. It clearly represents western powers because these concepts were the main approaches of foreign nations to implementing the regime stemming from the Unequal treaties. Each animal covers the area the foreign nation had a Zone of Influence in. Britain is the pug, no question.
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Baronjutter posted:I've heard they're really awful nippy bitey barky dogs. I had one about a decade ago and he would bark at anything that moved that wasn't part of his regular zone of comfort. He also shed more than any dog I've ever seen. Also, not terribly smart. He was very loyal and energetic though. Very fun to bring on a jog if he wouldn't get distracted by other critters.
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Wait, why are there two colors for <3 dogs per people, orange and white? Edit: I've long wondered why Muslims rarely own dogs. Are they unclean in the Koran or something like that? Torrannor fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Apr 30, 2014 08:53
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Czechs love puppies.
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Torrannor posted:Edit: I've long wondered why Muslims rarely own dogs. Are they unclean in the Koran or something like that?
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Torrannor posted:Wait, why are there two colors for <3 dogs per people, orange and white?
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kalstrams posted:It is very weird despite the fact that Qur'an does not condemn dogs on it's own. You can keep a dog but not inside your home, the front/backyard is ok generally. People who live in apartments keep their dogs in the balcony  which they should never do, becuase holy gently caress.Dogs are used in hunting, i dont recall whats the ruling but you have to feed it part of what you hunt. Due to the fact they are considered najis (impure) i have seen cheetahs being used for hunting instead, they are apparently the closest thing to dogs as an alternative.
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Lycus posted:I think I'd like to see a cat map to compare it to. Surprisingly it's actually really hard to find. Here's a US map of metro areas:  note Spokane is pet loving in general.
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computer parts posted:Surprisingly it's actually really hard to find.
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kalstrams posted:What I find amusing is a seeming division i.e. 'North - cats' and 'South - Dogs' with Spokane being the exclusion. I would think the divide is based on weather and not culture. Cats don't need to be walked during the winter.
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Old James posted:I would think the divide is based on weather and not culture. Cats don't need to be walked during the winter.
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Here is a BBC map about Taliban areas, and unlike most of these maps it covers both Afghanistan and Pakistan. They seem to have almost equal territory on either side of the border. This is because Taliban roughly equals the Pashtun people in many cases; here's a map of their distribution from wikipedia:  The border is called the Durand Line, and was drawn in the late 19th century largely as part of Great Game politics between the British and Russian Empires. Russia was expanding southwards, Britian wanted to protect India, so Afghanistan was drawn up as a sort of buffer state. Pakistan inherited the border, and Afghanistan still doesn't recognize it.  The border remained utterly porous, even during the wars of the 80s, 90s and 00s when various military forces sought to control access to the border. Since its basically the same people living on either side, people who for centuries and longer have had little respect for outside rulers, it seems set to remain a disputed place for a long time.
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