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I'm no fan of Israel's apartheid policy or human rights violations, but being a minority ruled by a majority with a rich, long history of hating Jews a reasonable thing to be weary of. The whole reason for Israel's founding was to have a state where Jews would not become second class citizens again. Most early zionists were far from religious nuts, and came from socialist schools of political thought. It's not a religious fanaticism, as much as a concern and a paranoia about becoming a minority that's freely abused again.
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William Bear posted:I'm not that familiar with Mideast policy, what's wrong with the latter option? What's wrong with a jewish state? Like, we're talking in a vacuum here, Israel's current actions under the guise of a jewish state are abhorrent but what's wrong with the base concept of 'Israel should be allowed to be a jewish state'?
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thefncrow posted:Oh, it's more than that. $40m from the enterprise fund, but also there's the advantageous tax situation for the executives who approved the plan. Re-quoting from the great Washington Monthly article posted earlier: Whats the matter with Blame gays and cut taxes for the rich Yell about abortion and cut services and school. Talk about freedom and make sure that if you get cancer you get to go bankrupt. The middle class in Texas eat this poo poo up and slit their own throats.
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E: gently caress it, this can't go anywhere good and doesn't belong on this thread.
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Apr 29, 2014 17:25
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Khisanth Magus posted:So instead they get to reverse the position, now they are the ones who are doing the oppression! Such an improvement on the old situation. All right guys. I can see where this is headed. I'm just going to throw this out RIGHT NOW before the ball gets rolling: If I come back to this thread at the end of the work day today, and it's got 5 straight pages of I/P derail, I'm gonna be pissed. So please, nobody else respond to this post? Please?
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edit: gently caress it this is going to go nowhere but bad
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Good luck Toyota getting all your suppliers parts on demand and on time with Texas crumbling roads and infrastructure.
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Fair point, I was just curious. So how about John Boehner and immigration reform? http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0429/Immigration-reform-too-hard-for-Republicans-Boehner-says-he-was-just-teasing "Here's the attitude. Ohhhh. Don't make me do this. Ohhhh. This is too hard," Boehner whined before a luncheon crowd at Brown's Run County Club in Madison Township. "We get elected to make choices. We get elected to solve problems and it's remarkable to me how many of my colleagues just don't want to ... They'll take the path of least resistance." Boehner said he's been working for 16 or 17 months trying to push Congress to deal with immigration reform. "I've had every brick and bat and arrow shot at me over this issue just because I wanted to deal with it. I didn't say it was going to be easy," he said.
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Anyways, Scott Brown is campaigning on the Republican alternative to Obamacare... Which turns out to be all the features of the ACA but http://www.vox.com/2014/4/29/5663554/fauxbamacare-obamacare-replacement Ok, so: 1) some of us called this quite a while a go, that the GOP solution would have to have all the same features 2) love Klien's name for it, look forward to it being used in anti Brown Tea Party ads 3) interesting predicament here - the Koch's have said their opposition is on the grounds that they don't think/don't want to show the government can do social safety well. The rest of the big business donors would be fine with putting it to rest this way. So question is who runs the GOP and who picks the messaging
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Apparently the locals are losing patience with the Cliven Bundy Brigade.quote:A growing number of Bunkerville residents want to see the armed militiamen guarding rancher Cliven Bundy leave Nevada, according to a letter from Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie.
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Wow what the gently caress. Checkpoints and harassing private citizens? Where the gently caress do they get off doing that?
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Local rights mean nothing compared to a national defense-- of local rights!
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greatn posted:Good luck Toyota getting all your suppliers parts on demand and on time with Texas crumbling roads and infrastructure. They aren't building them in Texas. These are the engineering/marketing/white collar jobs.
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So at what point does the Nevada National Guard roll in and start disarming and removing these chucklefucks?
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Wow. They really, really, really want another Waco. Armed checkpoints are something the Feds can't really ignore.
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Is there much of anything in terms of on-the-ground reporting? Actually talking to the militiamen, I mean. If they harm someone for not being "qualified" to pass a checkpoint, at that point isn't Waco:2014 inevitable?
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axeil posted:Wow. They really, really, really want another Waco. Armed checkpoints are something the Feds can't really ignore. Of course they do. Going down in a hail of government bullets is the apotheosis of the fantasy these yahoos have invented for themselves.
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Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad.
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sweart gliwere posted:Is there much of anything in terms of on-the-ground reporting? Actually talking to the militiamen, I mean. Here's one. From six days ago, so I believe its pre-checkpoints. I really do hope there's a reporter driving out there to deliberately fail a checkpoint and see what happens. Please note that my hope is predicated on them not getting shot in the face. 
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Spatula City posted:Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad.
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Spatula City posted:Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad.
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Spatula City posted:Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad. Let me go ahead and call up Sergeant Gandhi of the tac squad and he'll get a team together.
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Spatula City posted:Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad. I know, they can put all the women up front too, so when the firing starts people will see a bunch of women getting shot up by the militia. holy poo poo: 
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Nessus posted:I don't think you quite get how these people work. That said if they actually do start shooting people without "provocation" from "the evil feds" then I imagine you will get the same effect you discuss, at least in the court of public opinion. The militiamen would just scream about agents provocateurs and false-flag attacks, like they always do. And disturbingly large sections of the public would buy it. Let's hope that this ends without anybody getting hurt, because I don't see any good outcomes otherwise.  edit: ^ this too
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comes along bort posted:Really, that's all? Toyota's a bunch of suckers then. Yeah, Boeing got a 9 billion bribe to stay in Washington, but they're cutting jobs in Washington anyway yet still keep the bribe!
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SedanChair posted:Let me go ahead and call up Sergeant Gandhi of the tac squad and he'll get a team together. Hell couldn't they just drop canisters of tear gas on them from drones or shoot them with that bigass microwave tank we have from afar? I know, they could start using sound warfare. Just blast Pit Bull and NWA at them 24 hours a day until they start going stark raving mad. Talmonis fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Seems like the best thing to do is for local businesses to refuse business with the crazies. A a few days of no water, food or housing should send them packing.
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axeil posted:Wow. They really, really, really want another Waco. Armed checkpoints are something the Feds can't really ignore. Do we have any actual evidence of checkpoints? A letter to a congressman isn't really good enough. Although they seem to really want to provoke a confrontation and I can't think of a better way to do it than that besides seizing gov't buildings.
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Is this literally armed rebellion? Edit: What are the odds in retrospect the right's going to, in earnest, be arguing this was a take away our guns false flag operation. Pythagoras a trois fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Talmonis posted:Hell couldn't they just drop canisters of tear gas on them from drones or shoot them with that bigass microwave tank we have from afar? Dispersing these idiots non-lethally with drones would be the highlight of this loving year. 
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SedanChair posted:Let me go ahead and call up Sergeant Gandhi of the tac squad and he'll get a team together. I think if we trade algebra, literature, and gunpowder, we should be able to buy us enough time to finish another World Wonder.
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Cheekio posted:Is this literally armed rebellion?
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Talmonis posted:Hell couldn't they just drop canisters of tear gas on them from drones or shoot them with that bigass microwave tank we have from afar? That might be hard if they actually have .50 caliber rifles, which given the crowd some probably do.
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Spatula City posted:Feds should go in with nonlethal force: tear gas, riot shields, etc. Then, if anyone dies, it's the people they've sent in, and it makes the militia types look REALLY bad. It would, but good luck getting troops to not use the guns they fetishize. Maybe they're less cowardly than cops though? It takes 6 cops to shoot an unarmed person in the back.
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Gorilla Desperado posted:Did you see Rachel Maddows show last night? If not, you should go look at it online. She had a segment about Grimm saying he won't resign and will keep fighting until he's exonerated. So the local Repugs have a problem on their hands and guess who they're contemplating in order to get rid of him... Vito loving Fossella! Since you're local, I doubt I have to say anything about the hilariousness of that Goddamn do I hate Staten Island and the overt privileged fucks that live here.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That might be hard if they actually have .50 caliber rifles, which given the crowd some probably do. That means they shot first. 
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Cimber posted:I know, they can put all the women up front too, so when the firing starts people will see a bunch of women getting shot up by the militia. I know you're joking, but this is something one of the ringleaders actually suggested that they do if they end up getting into a shootout with law enforcement. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/v4jh6e/apocalypse-cow Around the 1:20 mark is when he says it. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Necc0 posted:Do we have any actual evidence of checkpoints? A letter to a congressman isn't really good enough. Although they seem to really want to provoke a confrontation and I can't think of a better way to do it than that besides seizing gov't buildings. I came here to post this. Do we have photographs or independent reporting of it? It could have been Jim bob tried that once to get the address of an attractive woman, got called a creep rear end by bubba ray, and they all wised up (that story being an actual thing that happened to an ex of mine with some college campus police). Do we have anything showing that the checkpoints are a pattern of harassment? Because being idiots toting guns around and intimidating people doesn't warrant more than a talking to, but the harassment and checkpoints call for a response. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Handsome Ralph posted:I know you're joking, but this is something one of the ringleaders actually suggested that they do if they end up getting into a shootout with law enforcement.
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