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Fried Chicken posted:Because being idiots toting guns around and intimidating people doesn't warrant more than a talking to The gently caress it doesn't!
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Apr 29, 2014 18:49
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Just come to Colorado, it's like Texas but the state doesn't suck from a geographic, climate, or political standpoint.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:54
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Yeah, whatever fascist. Anyways, papers please.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:54
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Radbot posted:Just come to Colorado, it's like Texas but the state doesn't suck from a geographic, climate, or political standpoint.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:54
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I think the militia is just following Bundy where ever he goes and lack the concept of tact. "Family going to church? Well we better have 30 people in the parking lot with assault rifles. Can't be too careful."
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Apr 29, 2014 18:58
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CheesyDog posted:The gently caress it doesn't! Exactly what do you think should be happening? Passively carrying guns is legal assuming you have the proper permit and are doing it in an area that the property owner has not barred them from. If both parties are obeying the law but discomfort is arising, the solution is to talk it out. What is your solution, arrest people obeying the law?
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Apr 29, 2014 19:01
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Radbot posted:Just come to Colorado, it's like Texas but the state doesn't suck from a geographic, climate, or political standpoint. Do they have HEBs? This is important.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:02
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So, this is all super depressing. We need a bit of lighter news. Apparently, Santorum was told by "Obama's minions" that he would have beaten Obama because all the people with jobs would have voted for him. Personally, whoever managed to say that with a straight face deserved a raise.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:03
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CheesyDog posted:The gently caress it doesn't! No, FC is exactly right. Being a chucklefuck within the limits of the law doesn't warrant a law enforcement response beyond 'hey you're being a dick, please stop.' I really hope the checkpoints thing doesn't pan out, because if it does then they literally have to make an armed response, and if they do this is going to get really ugly. Like not just that it'll be the new Waco and rallying cry for these idiots, but because being stupid and ignorant is no reason for people to die. E: Random thought - any idea how a show of overwhelming force would go over? Like these people assumedly don't have access to anti-armor weaponry. If the checkpoint thing is true (and thus an armed response is literally required), why not roll in with a column of Abrams and say 'disperse, you jackasses. You are breaking the law and we are not loving around.' I can't decide whether the 'reasonable' (ie less crazy) ones would go home grumbling about gubmint and statists or if they'd try to bunker down. Magres fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 19:06
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Capfalcon posted:Personally, whoever managed to say that with a straight face deserved a raise. I disagree. I don't think Rick Santorum deserves a raise.  The fake secret meeting with the "Obama minions" is almost as funny as the actual meeting between him and Gingrich where they tried to form a unity ticket to beat Romney, but couldn't agree on who would get to be President.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:06
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No article yet because it is from The Atlantic Conference live tweets, but Kerry just went off on the rest of NATO about how only Turkey is honoring the 2% pledge and the rest of them need to obey the treaty and increase defense spending. Given that the current gap in what is dictated by treaty and what the US spends works out to the US government cutting every individual in the NATO countries a $600 check each year, I'm totally cool with making them pony up so we can scale back. We should stop projecting power alone, they should pick up the slack
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Apr 29, 2014 19:09
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1stGear posted:Ahahahahaha literally "Its cool guys, drunk sex or sex you were coerced into isn't rape or anything."  on the video. That place really is a poo poo hole now.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:13
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Magres posted:I really hope the checkpoints thing doesn't pan out, because if it does then they literally have to make an armed response, and if they do this is going to get really ugly. Like not just that it'll be the new Waco and rallying cry for these idiots, but because being stupid and ignorant is no reason for people to die. The armchair general in me says start that media push about an hour before the tanks arrive because the worst thing that could happen is the militia decides rather than hiding behind their wives and daughters, they could kidnap a bunch of people at their checkpoints and hide behind them. I realize it would make politics difficult and possibly ruin Obama's entire legacy depending on how it goes down, but I for one don't want to live in a country where public passage could ever be controlled by
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Apr 29, 2014 19:22
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Seriously, if they've set up armed checkpoints and are forcing vehicles to stop, that's really hosed up and demands a state/federal response. Talmonis posted:I know, they could start using sound warfare. Just blast Pit Bull and NWA at them 24 hours a day until they start going stark raving mad. Killer Mike on continuous loop. e: Cabbit posted:Do they have HEBs? This is important.  
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Apr 29, 2014 19:24
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They'd pop the biggest boners of their lives and start chanting "Charge of the light brigade".
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Apr 29, 2014 19:26
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wixard posted:I agree with your edit, I think that's the way to go if they're setting up armed checkpoint on public roads. Send some folks on TV talking about preparing the drone strikes and show the column of Abrams heading their way on the highway. Explain that the current plan is to negotiate until nightfall and if the militia isn't dispersed the plan is to go in with the armor and drones (whether they actually plan to or not) at 11pm. Do a find and replace of "Obama" with "Israel" and "militia" with "Palestinians" and this could be a Freep post dude. If the reports of checkpoints turn out to be true as part of a planned pattern of action a federal response to restore rule of law is required. Realistically, that response will probably involve force. But let's not fetishize the death of people. It isn't a healthy road to go down, as a country or as an individual.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:29
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Crain posted:They'd pop the biggest boners of their lives and start chanting "Charge of the light brigade". Like any of them have even heard of Tennyson.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:30
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Fried Chicken posted:No article yet because it is from The Atlantic Conference live tweets, but Kerry just went off on the rest of NATO about how only Turkey is honoring the 2% pledge and the rest of them need to obey the treaty and increase defense spending.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:30
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AP is saying a judge just struck down Wisconsin voter ID law https://twitter.com/ap/status/461210558268977152
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Apr 29, 2014 19:32
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Fried Chicken posted:Do a find and replace of "Obama" with "Israel" and "militia" with "Palestinians" and this could be a Freep post dude. Again, this is all assuming they're on public roads with rifles.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:32
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You know maybe I'm crazy but forcing the federal government to back down with a heavily armed posse means you AREN'T LAW ABIDING
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Apr 29, 2014 19:34
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The Governor (who they're trying to impeach) vetoed it last year, so the Missouri House decided to try again and has passed a law banning state and local officials from adopting any policy tied to Agenda 21.quote:In a nutshell, the [Agenda 21] plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners, The Post-Sustainability Institute, a think-tank designed to rally awareness and action regarding Agenda 21, said on its website. And, sure, it was adopted by the UN in 1992, but they're gonna seize all that sweet, sweet Missouri land aaaaaaaany day now, so we must remain vigilant!
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Apr 29, 2014 19:34
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Fried Chicken posted:AP is saying a judge just struck down Wisconsin voter ID law Tatum Girlparts posted:So, Sterling lost the Clippers. CNN (Yeah, yeah CNN) posted:The National Basketball Association has banned Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling from basketball for life and fined him $2.5 million racist remarks attributed to him in recordings posted online, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced Tuesday. 
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Apr 29, 2014 19:36
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The right is already countering the Sterling story by informing people how the majority of black NBA players are dead beat dads and wife abusers.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:38
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I think Wixard and I are on the same wavelength here, and the entire reasoning behind my "tanks, maybe?" edit was hoping for a way to do an armed intervention that doesn't kill a bunch of people, or minimizes casualties if people do die. I'm not wishing death on anyone and was genuinely approaching it from a "I don't want to be an armchair general, so people who know what they're talking about, would this work as a way to resolve this without homicide?" viewpoint. E: this is regarding FC's post on "death fetishizing" but I'm phone posting and quoting is hard. I'll fix it when I get home. E2: hahahahaha get wrecked David Sterling, get wrecked forever Magres fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 19:39
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CheesyDog posted:You know maybe I'm crazy but forcing the federal government to back down with a heavily armed posse means you AREN'T LAW ABIDING
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Apr 29, 2014 19:41
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wixard posted:I didn't wish death on anyone, I think threatening force that those military fetishists know for a fact they can't legitimately fight against is the best way to disperse them without firing any shots. Obviously ignoring them isn't working out, and I think you're overly optimistic if you think they're going to sit down at a table and negotiate with the federal government. Using the military for law enforcement is a terrible idea.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:42
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CheesyDog posted:You know maybe I'm crazy but forcing the federal government to back down with a heavily armed posse means you AREN'T LAW ABIDING But what if you don't recognize the existence of the federal government? Checkmate, statists. 
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Nonsense posted:The right is already countering the Sterling story by informing people how the majority of black NBA players are dead beat dads and wife abusers. Got any links to these?
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Apr 29, 2014 19:43
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Joementum posted:It does if you don't recognize the existence of the federal government. Checkmate, statists.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:44
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fade5 posted:Nice. Also, crosspost from the right wing media thread (I'm borrowing Tatum Girlparts's post): I want this to end with Magic Johnson as the new owner
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Apr 29, 2014 19:45
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Using the military for law enforcement is a terrible idea. But using the National Guard to disperse an armed militia illegally stopping/harassing/detaining people is pretty legit. In fact, that's the exact sort of thing it's for.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:46
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Fried Chicken posted:I want this to end with Magic Johnson as the new owner I thought he played for the Lakers?
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Apr 29, 2014 19:47
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Nessus posted:I love "statist," it's such a mushy word. It never fails to amuse me when Sovereign Citizen-types toss it around as if it's some sort of stinging rebuke which ought make me stop and re-examine my life. "Oh god he's right! I like living in a state, with an established government capable of doing things which at least hypothetically facilitate the functioning of society! How ever did I sink so low?!
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Apr 29, 2014 19:49
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Tanks are possibly the worst kind of armed response anyone could give these people. Actual operational problems aside, can you imagine the massive persecution boner it would give the far right? They'd start painting this batshit militia as the American equivalent of Tank Man. I don't want to be an armchair general either, but I know we've got plenty of response options that aren't "point cannons at them until they give up." Probably a fair few that have less chance of turning into Waco, too.
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Fried Chicken posted:I want this to end with Magic Johnson as the new owner
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Apr 29, 2014 19:50
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Talmonis posted:I thought he played for the Lakers? He did, but he has also grappled with Sterling about other issues (eg the housing stuff Sterling owns) for decades since he retired and got into activism. Plus Sterling slammed him recently. Take away Sterling's team, give it to the guy who will piss him off the most (and is a decent human being)
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Apr 29, 2014 19:51
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JT Jag posted:He is already part of the group that owns the Los Angeles Dodgers, and there are conflict of interest provisions that prevent someone from owning shares in two sports franchises in the same market. So yeah, doubtful. I thought that to be in the same market you had to be the same sport in addition to the same region
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Using the military for law enforcement is a terrible idea. At least the military understands trigger discipline but yes that's true.
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