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I'd like Irish Joe more if people stopped quoting him so I could forget that he exists.
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Maxwell Lord posted:His argument seems to be, basically, the Invisible Hand of the Market- the good channels will be popular and succeed, the bad ones will die off. Even though "good" and "bad" have nothing to do with what's popular and unpopular. I can't believe people are this dense. The cable companies and networks want you to believe that a la carte service will destroy television as we know it, cost the industry billions of dollars and fail to provide any cost savings to consumers. They are lying to you. Right now, what channels you have access to are dictated by your cable company. If a channel you want isn't available in Bumfuck Iowa, tough poo poo, there's nothing you can do about it because the cable company is a monopoly. What are you going to do, not watch television? Cable companies love this arrangement because it gives them power not only over you, but also over the media companies whose products they distribute to the consumer. The big media companies love this arrangement as well because they only have to market new channels to cable executives and it effectively bars start-up media companies from the market. Consumers hate it because it artificially suppresses supply, limiting choice and raising prices. A la carte programming changes all that. Instead of selling channels to cable companies, they're sold directly to consumers with the cable company acting only as middleman. Yes, some channels will fail, but others will thrive in their place. More importantly, though, the consumer is empowered to make decisions for himself. You like choice, right? You like freedom? You like democracy? If so, then you should support a la carte. Its funny, but a common talking point on these boards is how republican voters are tricked into voting against their best interests. Well, here you guys are, fighting and arguing against your best interests and for what? The Oprah Channel?
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Apr 29, 2014 17:20
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drat, don't ever spoil GoT if you know what's good for you.
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Apr 29, 2014 17:25
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An a la carte system will not force every provider to carry every channel
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Apr 29, 2014 17:28
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Holy loving poo poo, stop responding
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 My name is MrAristocrates and I'm a huge crybaby! How dare people talk about television in the television thread Aphrodite posted:An a la carte system will not force every provider to carry every channel It would make sense for cable companies to carry as many channels as possible if they made a cut on subscriptions. You're right that they wouldn't have everything, but there would definitely be more channels available under a la carte than there are today. Irish Joe fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Irish Joe posted:I can't believe people are this dense. The cable companies and networks want you to believe that a la carte service will destroy television as we know it, cost the industry billions of dollars and fail to provide any cost savings to consumers. They are lying to you. Right now, what channels you have access to are dictated by your cable company. If a channel you want isn't available in Bumfuck Iowa, tough poo poo, there's nothing you can do about it because the cable company is a monopoly. What are you going to do, not watch television? Cable companies love this arrangement because it gives them power not only over you, but also over the media companies whose products they distribute to the consumer. The big media companies love this arrangement as well because they only have to market new channels to cable executives and it effectively bars start-up media companies from the market. Consumers hate it because it artificially suppresses supply, limiting choice and raising prices. I won't argue the virtues of a theoretical a la carte system anymore, because you'll just ignore it. It's debating over a system that will never exist. The closest thing we'll see to a la carte is cable companies selling channels in blocks. You'll buy AMC, and it will come with 3-4 poo poo channels you'll never watch. You'll end up with fewer channels that you actually care about, because you can't justify those edge cases any longer, and you'll pay more. There, that's the future.
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Irish Joe posted:
I'm pretty sure he's 17yo, a child by every definition. Heck, he called me a "loving scumbag" for retaining more high school History class after a decade than he does while going to it five days a week. Just ignore his angst over his voice not dropping yet, or whatever is fueling his constant dramatic fits. Irish Joe posted:They are lying to you. Right now, what channels you have access to are dictated by your cable company. Even if you're completely right about all else, the cable companies and service providers aren't suddenly going to be copacetic to their customers all paying half of what they used to.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:00
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a coaxial cable whipping a human face - forever.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:06
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Seams posted:
"Lazy writing" is definitely an overused term here, but it's not meaningless. When people say that, what they should be saying instead is either "cliche-ridden", "full of stupid inaccurate stereotypes", "things that only happen on TV and have never been a thing in the real world", "narrative shortcuts that shortchange drama and make little sense", "a predictable plot twist telegraphed early and far too often", "a plot twist with no build up at all designed only for shock value", "a nakedly obvious cliffhanger with an equally obvious resolution", "the character's big secret is exactly what you would have guessed it was on first appearance", etc.
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What's interesting is Verizon has already started preliminary negotiations on the back end to make a la carte a reality for at least themselves. About mid 2013, they were starting to approach channel providers about a system where what they paid for carriage fees was based not on the number of subscribers in a package, but by the number of subscribers that actually tuned in to the channel for a particular span of time. It is possible such deals are in place by now (hard to tell since carriage deals aren't public.) However, if such a system does become common, it won't really matter if a la carte is made available to the end user as far as the economic implications to the channels involved. Honestly, a lot of this debate depends on how much of a network's revenue is obtained by carriage fees and how much is obtained by advertising. If the vast majority of the revenue is advertising dollars, it really doesn't matter a ton if MSOs are forced to bundle channels or not. Show ratings determine advertising rates and if something isn't watched, it's not going to make a ton of ad revenue regardless.
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Spatula City posted:"Lazy writing" is definitely an overused term here, but it's not meaningless. When people say that, what they should be saying instead is either "cliche-ridden", "full of stupid inaccurate stereotypes", "things that only happen on TV and have never been a thing in the real world", "narrative shortcuts that shortchange drama and make little sense", "a predictable plot twist telegraphed early and far too often", "a plot twist with no build up at all designed only for shock value", "a nakedly obvious cliffhanger with an equally obvious resolution", "the character's big secret is exactly what you would have guessed it was on first appearance", etc. Hmmm it's almost as if saying "lazy writing" is a lazy shortcut for people that don't know how to articulate their problems with something. While lazy writing can mean those things you say (and if it can mean all those things you say lazy as an umbrella term is meaningless) nine times out of ten it means "I didn't like it and rather than saying that I'm going to try and pretend it's objectively bad but I lack the critical vocab to properly bullshit an answer." Anyways, I'm over lazy writing, my new crusade is against the word "hamfisted".
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Apr 29, 2014 18:21
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That preview for The Leftovers looks much better than the show will probably end up being - I hope I'm wrong, but the trailer had too many quick cuts of sex that seemed to hint at some big arc or point to the show will be "let's have fun while dad's away" type poo poo. However, the weird cult of people in white looked awesome, with the appropriately weird sign in their headquarters that said "WE DON'T SMOKE BECAUSE WE ENJOY IT, WE SMOKE TO DEMONSTRATE OUR FAITH" 
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Apr 29, 2014 19:47
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If I am a production company and I have a tv show I'm shopping around, what exactly am I selling? Just the distribution rights? Or the show and all IP generated from the show as well? Example: SomethingAwful Productions (SAP) produced a pilot for a TVIV show. This is then picked up by CBS and a catchphrase by the lead - OldSenileGuy - gets popular and shirts and crap are made with that likeness. Who owns that end of the business? SAP or CBS? Nystral fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 19:49
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Nystral posted:If I am a production company and I have a tv show I'm shopping around, what exactly am I selling? Just the distribution rights? Or the show and all IP generated from the show as well? Just the first airing rights I'm pretty sure, otherwise production companies wouldn't be able to shop shows around for syndication.
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precision posted:That preview for The Leftovers looks much better than the show will probably end up being - I hope I'm wrong, but the trailer had too many quick cuts of sex that seemed to hint at some big arc or point to the show will be "let's have fun while dad's away" type poo poo. Usually, HBO shows are real good.
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Apr 29, 2014 19:56
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i fuckin knew mraristocrates was under 18
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Apr 29, 2014 20:09
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I was listening to back episodes of the podcast Welcome to Night Vale and Jasika Nicole from Fringe guest stars in one episode, which was pretty cool. She plays intern Dana (or intern Dana's double) and somehow gets a message back to Night Vale from beyond the Dog Park and upon the mountain with the flashing light.
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Just wanna let you UK goons know that UK netflix has the first two season of Person of Interest up if you were interested by it but skipped it cause its a pain and the rear end to catch up to. I'll defer to DP and Occ to ramble about posting guides for it. Thank you that is all bye.
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Zaggitz posted:Just wanna let you UK goons know that UK netflix has the first two season of Person of Interest up if you were interested by it but skipped it cause its a pain and the rear end to catch up to. I'll defer to DP and Occ to ramble about posting guides for it. Thank you that is all bye. Here's all you need to know. The end of episode 4 is where it shows promise, but 7 is where the show takes off. If you're not sold by 13 you probably never will be, and the very end of 22 is your first hint at what the show is REALLY about, expressed through a needledrop up there with "Watchtower" on BSG. Let the backlash begin.
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Zaggitz posted:Just wanna let you UK goons know that UK netflix has the first two season of Person of Interest up if you were interested by it but skipped it cause its a pain and the rear end to catch up to. I'll defer to DP and Occ to ramble about posting guides for it. Thank you that is all bye. Oh god, this is how it starts 
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Battlestar Galactica wasn't very good anyway.
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Rarity posted:Oh god, this is how it starts
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Apr 29, 2014 21:21
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POI is one of my favorite shows. And to think I only started watching it because it had Ben Linus.
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GreenNight posted:POI is one of my favorite shows. And to think I only started watching it because it had Ben Linus. Benjamin Linus and Jesus as Batman.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:24
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I always liked him best in Count of Monte Cristo.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:25
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Lindsay Lohan is a better actor than Jesus
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Mu Zeta posted:Lindsay Lohan is a better actor than Jesus This was actually true ten years ago.
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Bown posted:i fuckin knew mraristocrates was under 18
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Apr 29, 2014 21:33
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FactsAreUseless posted:All you had to do was Google his real name, Michael Raristocrates. One time I tried to google him and all I got was a reddit full of nerds who seem very angry indeed about "females." 
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Thread for the adorable Jessica StClair and Lennon Parham show - Playing House (Tonight at 10 on USA!)
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Apr 29, 2014 22:01
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This can only be good:quote:Starz has given a two-season, 20-episode order to a live-action comedy from Seth MacFarlane and scribe Jonathan Ames to star Patrick Stewart.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:16
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I only needed to see "starring Patrick Stewart".
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Good, the Newsroom is ending this season and all the refugees from that thread will need another show about cable news to complain about.
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I'm just not going to pass judgment until I see the drat thing. MacFarlane is so insanely inconsistent there's no point presuming it will be either good or bad.
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JohnSherman posted:Good, the Newsroom is ending this season and all the refugees from that thread will need another show about cable news to complain about. At least this one will be good. Johnathan Ames is responsible for Bored to Death, and Patrick Stewart is awesome, and so there.
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EL BROMANCE posted:I'm just not going to pass judgment until I see the drat thing. MacFarlane is so insanely inconsistent there's no point presuming it will be either good or bad. As long as he's not writing it should be fine. American Dad is great.
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Yoshifan823 posted:At least this one will be good. Johnathan Ames is responsible for Bored to Death, and Patrick Stewart is awesome, and so there. Yeah, I mean "written by Jonathan Ames and starring Patrick Stewart" is more than enough to override any concerns about McFarlane's minimal involvement. Bored to Death was one of the best written comedies in recent memory.
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Bown posted:i fuckin knew mraristocrates was under 18 What's the story behind this then?
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