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Why is it illegal to record someone without their consent? The only objectionable uses I can think of for that are child pornography, voyeurism, and blackmail, which are already illegal to my knowledge. I mean, I'd never want anyone to capture me saying something damaging on video, but then I don't say things that upset people. Does that mean that 60 Minutes/James O'Keefe type stuff is illegal? (Not that those are the best examples.)
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Nonsense posted:I will only give a poo poo about that Wisconsin decision if it goes to the Supreme Court. The rest of the loving southwest still has to live with voter id. You might not want to request that. Voter ID has already gone up to SCOTUS once, and it was upheld in that instance.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:19
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Time to read Zinn posted:Why is it illegal to record someone without their consent? The only objectionable uses I can think of for that are child pornography, voyeurism, and blackmail, which are already illegal to my knowledge. I mean, I'd never want anyone to capture me saying something damaging on video, but then I don't say things that upset people. Does that mean that 60 Minutes/James O'Keefe type stuff is illegal? (Not that those are the best examples.) Federal law is one-party consent, and most states are as well. Just as a point of information (if the image ever shows up): mdemone fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 22:19
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Time to read Zinn posted:Why is it illegal to record someone without their consent? The only objectionable uses I can think of for that are child pornography, voyeurism, and blackmail, which are already illegal to my knowledge. I mean, I'd never want anyone to capture me saying something damaging on video, but then I don't say things that upset people. Does that mean that 60 Minutes/James O'Keefe type stuff is illegal? (Not that those are the best examples.) It depends on the state. Some states are one-party consent, others are two-party. One-party states allow recording if at least one party consents, two-party requires both. California happens to be a two-party state.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:20
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zamin posted:Actually, they've been building the Tundra in San Antonio for about a decade. If we can build the Highlander, Sequoia and Sienna in Southern Indiana with no real supplier issues, Texas has nothing to worry about. It's a shame the Texas only has the Tundra from Toyota. That thing is a piece of poo poo and doesn't sell.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:24
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mdemone posted:Or because not all of us were aware of the legal issues you've pointed out in this regard. You know, whichever. I know I should stop going there but reddit is have thing wonderful meltdown over this. So many people parroting "But SoandSO said there should be black only league why isn't he getting in trouble too!?  " and various other white people complaints about society not just ignoring racists and bigots anymore.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:30
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This move is just Japan getting back at America for the Atomic bombings. Bad analogy you say??? 
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Apr 29, 2014 22:32
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Crain posted:I know I should stop going there but reddit is have thing wonderful meltdown over this. So many people parroting "But SoandSO said there should be black only league why isn't he getting in trouble too!? I mentioned earlier, there's a shitload of deflection, and gas lighting going on to minorities pretty much everywhere that they try and discuss this with average people. Sterling & Bundy & the next mindless tool are loving heroes now. They've made millions through hard-work, not winning the affirmative action lottery like that thug Magic loving Johnson. -edit: Christ Texas is loving horrible.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:35
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Y-Hat posted:I did not see a lifetime ban on Sterling coming. Props for Adam Silver on doing the right thing. Yes, in response to racism, they should move the team to orange loving county.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:38
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Ron Jeremy posted:Yes, in response to racism, they should move the team to orange loving county.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:48
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Y-Hat posted:Some of you might think it's just beer, but this is the perfect example of Republicans loving private sector regulations if they enrich their financiers, and there's no guarantee that a similar bill won't be proposed in other states. Plus I love good beer, dammit. We have a similar issue in Montana between the Montana Tavern Association (MTA) and our craft/microbrew industry. Basically, the breweries operate tap rooms where you can get a reasonably priced beer in a actual welcoming location, but there are restrictions like you can only have 4 drinks max, and the tap rooms close at 8 PM. From about 5PM to 8PM, both local tap rooms in town are packed solid and they are huge community members. Also, you can get a growler of beer for 8 bucks. Plus they all have amazing beer. The MTA however has been bitching about this since people have been going to tap rooms and not going to dingy over priced bars, and this has made them upset. Montana already has strange rules regarding alcohol, the breweries had to deal with a law that prevented them from running a tap room if they sold more then ~20,000 barrels. So one of the most successful breweries had to actually limit sales to keep them under this amount so they could keep their community tap rooms. Thankfully, a workaround was found and now I can get their beer where I live without having to drive to Missoula. The MTA was pushing for stricter restrictions last year that thankfully fell through. You'd think an organization founded on drinking would be behind more drinking, but they are all about keeping a leash to support the bars and a stranglehold on liquor licenses (another mess of a story.) What is very telling about this is how Montana has a crazy problem with drunk driving (especially enforcement post arrest) and the tap rooms are amazing in how little problems they cause instead of bars. With the drink limit and early closing, most people hit their limit, grab a growler and then go home.
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Y-Hat posted:Let's go back to some bad news. The party of small government, small businesses, and less regulations on the private sector is trying to make it harder for small craft brewers to operate in Florida. This bill passed the Senate today. This just means Florida's craft beer industry is now large enough to compete with the macro distribution companies. The same poo poo happened in North Carolina a couple years ago where they passed a 25,000 barrel cap on microbreweries before they're required to use a distributor. A lot of that also had to do with the fact the NC Craft Brewers Guild turned out to be an effective lobbying organization on its own in the decade prior.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:57
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Fried Chicken posted:You are not going to see the new owner get the team for $3.50 as punishment to Sterling. And what happens if that's the high bid among league-approved owners? Is the league required to buy out that fat shitball by making up the difference between $3.50 and whatever millions of dollars his lawyers will undoubtedly claim represents a fair value? Assuming no hypothetical angel moneybags who wants to save some face for Sterling, or whatever "But free market" non-answer.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:58
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mdemone posted:Or because not all of us were aware of the legal issues you've pointed out in this regard. You know, whichever. I refuse to believe anyone actually thought they would sell a ~$600 million asset for $1
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Apr 29, 2014 22:58
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FAUXTON posted:And what happens if that's the high bid among league-approved owners? Is the league required to buy out that fat shitball by making up the difference between $3.50 and whatever millions of dollars his lawyers will undoubtedly claim represents a fair value? Assuming no hypothetical angel moneybags who wants to save some face for Sterling, or whatever "But free market" non-answer. Presumably the NBA would pay him a "fair market value" and then get that (or better) for a higher price, if they actually do confiscate the team.
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Apr 29, 2014 22:59
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FAUXTON posted:And what happens if that's the high bid among league-approved owners? Is the league required to buy out that fat shitball by making up the difference between $3.50 and whatever millions of dollars his lawyers will undoubtedly claim represents a fair value? Assuming no hypothetical angel moneybags who wants to save some face for Sterling, or whatever "But free market" non-answer. Setting aside the fact that isn't going to happen? Then it goes into the specifics of the agreement and charter and a lot of lawyers rack up a lot of billable hours. You are not going to see a Michael Corleone style "here is my offer: nothing" response to Sterling though.
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Apr 29, 2014 23:04
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Y-Hat posted:I did not see a lifetime ban on Sterling coming. Props for Adam Silver on doing the right thing. Why does FL insist on destroying any industry that's not tourism or catered to old people? Even though I left years ago it still irritates me no end.
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Apr 29, 2014 23:19
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why does FL insist on destroying any industry that's not tourism or catered to old people? Even though I left years ago it still irritates me no end. Florida is where the optimists with big ideas bought swampland and were eaten by gators. Only the scum survive.
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Apr 29, 2014 23:43
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why does FL insist on destroying any industry that's not tourism or catered to old people? Even though I left years ago it still irritates me no end. The way beer distribution laws work they're effective oligopolies, with a massive lobby presence in DC and every state. Anything which poses a threat to their control over the market they raise a huge stink about.
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Apr 30, 2014 00:07
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Ron Jeremy posted:Yes, in response to racism, they should move the team to orange loving county. Actually, they tried that already. In the late 90s, they split games between the Sports Arena by the Coliseum and the Duck's arena. Unsurprisingly, white people were even less interested in that garbage team than LA. The Staples Center is a much better deal, as it's in a better location and will always be kept up as a showplace by the city since it hosts so much.
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Gosh this has been a great couple of weeks for forcing the disavowal of open racists.  They have to either cut their heroes loose and piss of their base, or defend them and piss off literally everyone else in America.
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Apr 30, 2014 00:21
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comes along bort posted:This just means Florida's craft beer industry is now large enough to compete with the macro distribution companies. To illustrate your point further- back in the late '90s, Sam Calagione of Dogfish Head used a small but intense lobbying campaign to change Delaware's archaic post-Prohibition beer brewing laws just so that he could brew and distribute out of that state. He succeeded, but of course, back then craft brewing wasn't nearly as big of a challenge to the supremacy of macro brewers, so there was no real incentive to stop Calagione. Today there are more breweries across the country than there were before the beginning of Prohibition, so I can't really see a challenge to the status quo going as well as it did for Dogfish Head.. Craft breweries are more powerful than ever, but they're also a bigger target. Competition is only good so long as it benefits big business, and it's as true in beer as it is in every other industry.
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We might see a revival of death penalty in politics in the next few cycles-- Oklahoma, who was so deadset on killing two inmates that they were going to do a double execution tonight using drugs of unknown provenance after threatening their own Supreme Court, has temporarily delayed the second inmates execution, citing time constraints. The reason was that the first inmate writhed, struggled, and moaned for an hour before he eventually had a massive heart attack. In front f an AP reporter who live tweeted it. Edit: NYT article on it: http://nyti.ms/1rM1A5E Teddybear fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Apr 30, 2014 01:40
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Sterling's fine comes out to about 59 bucks for the average well off person. Not sure what it would be for the normal person. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/donald-sterling-fine-median-income
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Apr 30, 2014 01:45
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Ugh. Why do people think this bullshit is an improvement over, like, a firing squad or better yet the guillotine? Our modern day execution methodology is perhaps seem like one of the most unnecessarily cruel ways to do it.
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Teddybear posted:We might see a revival of death penalty in politics in the next few cycles-- Oklahoma, who was so deadset on killing two inmates that they were going to do a double execution tonight using drugs of unknown provenance after threatening their own Supreme Court, has temporarily delayed the second inmates execution, citing time constraints. The reporter in question, I think. She has an Instagram photo of the media convoy going into the OK State Penn. in her timeline. Holy mother of Christ.
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Apr 30, 2014 01:49
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Y-Hat posted:Exactly, and if you're AB-InBev or MillerCoors, you want to stop that competition before it gets too big to deal with. That's why the big boys are shoveling money into this effort, and it looks like it's working in Florida. It's sad and confusing because most states are going in the opposite direction. Hell, even Texas made it easier to establish new breweries. I'd like to say that similar bills won't be too prevalent around the country, but I just can't be too sure. Like I was saying earlier though, it's not InBev or Coors, it's the distributors and their lobbying arm that's behind this stuff. InBev's actually been buying microbreweries like Goose Island, Red Hook, and Blue Point to expand into the market.
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Jesus, what a fiasco for everyone involved. I would request vaporization by detonation of like 500 pounds of explosives molded to my body or something. Morbid Question: How did they choose who went first?
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Cabbit posted:The reporter in question, I think. She has an Instagram photo of the media convoy going into the OK State Penn. in her timeline. Holy mother of Christ. I'm so mad about other stuff, I'm not even going to read that right now.
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Teddybear posted:We might see a revival of death penalty in politics in the next few cycles-- Oklahoma, who was so deadset on killing two inmates that they were going to do a double execution tonight using drugs of unknown provenance after threatening their own Supreme Court, has temporarily delayed the second inmates execution, citing time constraints. This also happens at the same time as this horrifying study, which purports that at least 1 in 25 people given death penalties were wrongfully convicted: God Bless America posted:A new study published online this week by the National Academy of Sciences takes a shot at determining the rate at which the U.S. mistakenly sentences innocent prisoners to death. The findings are unsettling. The study’s authors conclude that based on the statistical data, it can safely be estimated that 4.1 percent, or one-in-25 criminal defendants, sentenced to death in the U.S. are innocent. In fact, that’s probably low-balling the actual number of erroneous death penalty sentences. “We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States,” the study’s abstract reads. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/28/a_new_study_estimates_error_rate_of_death_penalty_sentences_in_u_s.html
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Is "his vein blew" as horrifying as I think it is If you're imagining a fountain of gore, then probably not. Careless administration of intravenous medication can blow a vein, most commonly by pushing the needle in too far (and puncturing the other side). This normally makes a small hole, and some blood leaks out into the surrounding tissue, leading to a large dark bruise. Unfortunately in this case it sounds like when the vein blew, the medicine wasn't injected into his vein, but the surrounding tissue. Some medications have to be injected directly into the blood to work, and the body can't correctly absorb them from muscle tissue (let alone fat or skin or whatever this poo poo ended up in), and in this case it sounds like it caused a major, horrifying complication.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Is "his vein blew" as horrifying as I think it is It just means the needle went through the wall in two places. lovely nurses do it all the time.
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Jagchosis posted:This also happens at the same time as this horrifying study, which purports that at least 1 in 25 people given death penalties were wrongfully convicted: This was the subject of my senior thesis. I want to vomit. Their numbers are still too low. They are just playing it safe. Pohl fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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By the way, if you haven't seen Errol Morris' documentary Mr. Death about the man who invented the three-stage lethal injection machine, you should. He's an incredible character. After his first invention he was also contracted to create an efficient gallows for the state of Delaware. Then some states hired him to design a gas chamber. After doing that he visits concentration camps in Germany and Poland and concludes that the Holocaust wasn't real because his gas chamber is so much better than theirs were.
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comes along bort posted:It just means the needle went through the wall in two places. lovely nurses do it all the time. So Oklahoma cheaped out on every step of this execution then?
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Even if you are ethically OK with the death penalty in theory, I don't see how you can sign off on it in practice given how messed up our justice system is.
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SedanChair posted:Gosh this has been a great couple of weeks for forcing the disavowal of open racists. I'd just like to point out that this sentiment has been utterly torpedoed by yet another article about a black man writhing to death for an hour by the state's sanction, and another black man lined up to receive the same treatment.  They just happen to be intimidating black men! Those intimidating black men, I tell you. They sure just happen to commit a lot of capital crimes.
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Teddybear posted:We might see a revival of death penalty in politics in the next few cycles-- Oklahoma, who was so deadset on killing two inmates that they were going to do a double execution tonight using drugs of unknown provenance after threatening their own Supreme Court, has temporarily delayed the second inmates execution, citing time constraints.
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mdemone posted:Also if the story about armed checkpoints is true, Bundy's going to lose the small portion of the right that can at least see reality from where they're standing. I want the secret service to make a run through the checkpoints in a spare presidential armored limousine. Nothing offensive, just drive through without stopping to see which of 'em opens fire. As gently caress people who think we should go eye for an eye on every person they believe committed evil acts.
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