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cheetah7071 posted:I always enjoy seeing new DPS faces in Castrum because it means I get to introduce them to the tedium of sitting on cannons. I don't care how badly I may need myth at any point - for this exact reason, I cannot bring myself to ever do main scenario roulette. Praetorium I'm fine with, but those loving cannons are the most boring thing ever.
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Boten Anna posted:Also weird, I've never had people get upset when I tank speedrun style, usually it's a weird half-race-half-cooperative thing with the other tank, too. I do get annoyed when doing stuff like, Castrum Meridanium, where instead of going to go get the next frikkin' group, the other guy just steals or escorts. Also, people bitching about skipping cutscenes on the weekends. That really chafes my collar.
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Mr. Nice! posted:or the dragoon that only full thrusts. To be fair, what else is there to do on trash? They don't live long enough for Chaos Thrust. My usual trash mob thing is just popping all of my cooldowns as they come up, keeping Heavy Thrust and Phlebotomize on, and then doing the Full Thrust combo until the cows come home (or HT->Ring of Thorns on big packs). Unless they're almost dead, in which case you can just spam Phlebotomize or Heavy Thrust for 170 potency. Unless you mean on bosses, in which case yeah, loldragoons
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Apr 29, 2014 20:33
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I do get annoyed when doing stuff like, Castrum Meridanium, where instead of going to go get the next frikkin' group, the other guy just steals or escorts. Yeah when there's only like one thing to tank sometimes it gets competitive just to have something to do, but when you're clearing the trash there's no reason to do anything but leapfrog each other to get it the gently caress over with.
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Apr 29, 2014 20:36
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So I tried Ifrit Extreme for the first time in the duty finder. We got him to half with no echo, that's pretty good. Something tells me 25% echo makes the guy a chump. I can't wait to get that Warrior axe, it's so close
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Apr 29, 2014 20:42
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Volt Catfish posted:Something tells me 25% echo makes the guy a chump. I can't wait to get that Warrior axe, it's so close As of last night, I can assure you that this is absolutely true 
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Apr 29, 2014 20:53
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I've been threatened with kicks in Light Parties and Full Parties and had people drop for saying "Hey guys, I'm new. I know I'm tanking, but I've read up on the fights and watched videos so I know how they work. If there's anything you'd like to add we can do a ready check at each boss door." Like I try to be REALLY accomodating but the endgame main scenario stuff really tested my patience with the tryhards. Luckily my Praetorium run had some good explanations and I got a bunch of commendations at the end. Like I never try to walk into a dungeon BLIND but there's only so much I can do until I try a run for myself. Rei_ fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 20:58
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i like to go into dungeons/trials blind as a tank cause an hour and a half spent dragging 3 other idiots kicking and screaming to their deaths is an hour and a half well spent
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Apr 29, 2014 21:16
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So what I'm getting from all these complaints is that Excalibur is a lovely server filled with terrible people and it's a good thing I'm not there.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:17
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cheetah7071 posted:So what I'm getting from all these complaints is that Excalibur is a lovely server filled with terrible people and it's a good thing I'm not there. It sounds like Human/MMO nature to me???
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cheetah7071 posted:So what I'm getting from all these complaints is that Excalibur is a lovely server filled with terrible people and it's a good thing I'm not there. Well, to be fair, it's the Primal data center in general.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:20
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Xenoveritas posted:Well, to be fair, it's the Primal data center in general. But we have Denmo McStrongHuge and Omn Nomnom on our server!
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Rei_ posted:I've been threatened with kicks in Light Parties and Full Parties and had people drop for saying "Hey guys, I'm new. I know I'm tanking, but I've read up on the fights and watched videos so I know how they work. If there's anything you'd like to add we can do a ready check at each boss door." Once you learn to never tell people you're new at anything you do in the duty finder, your life will be that much easier.
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SpazmasterX posted:Once you learn to never tell people you're new at anything you do in the duty finder, your life will be that much easier. See, I disagree with that. I disclose this fact up-front as well, but have never been threatened with kicks or abuse.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:25
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cheetah7071 posted:So what I'm getting from all these complaints is that Excalibur is a lovely server filled with terrible people and it's a good thing I'm not there. To counter the anecdotes with my own, the only negative experience I had on my way to 50 was someone flying off the handle at the "One or more party members are new to this duty" message in Praetorium, leaving, and the group all laughing at the guy. We even watched the cutscenes.
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Apr 29, 2014 21:26
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FF MMOs are full to the brim with elitist shitheads who want the world to revolve around them. How DARE it be your first time?
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Apr 29, 2014 21:33
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Is Chaos Thrust combo significantly stronger than the Full Thrust combo?
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Apr 29, 2014 21:43
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With the dot it is. There's also the disembowel debuff that you'll want anyways, but just spamming the CT combo isn't better.
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Hobo Siege posted:FF MMOs are full to the brim with elitist shitheads who want the world to revolve around them. How DARE it be your first time? I think the problem stems from people having expectations that they themselves don't always know they have that set them up for disappointment. I don't have too many problems with this poo poo because I set realistic expectations. If I sign up for a duty roulette, I know it's called 'roulette' for a reason. If I join a party finder group, I know I'm likely going to get practical, hands on experience with the Dunning-Kruger effect. Problems I do have are pretty much always someone else losing their poo poo because they somehow expected 3-7 other internet strangers to magically show up somewhere and do a coordinated dance perfectly the first try, the rest are people who don't read party chat (blissfully rare at endgame). To be fair I almost always tank though so I fill the primadonna rear end in a top hat slot in the party, which smooths things over I have to gently caress up pretty bad for pubbies to get mad at me; having 9k health buys a lot of goodwillIt's an online game, and it's fun to play games with other people, but the tradeoff is that you're doing things with other people. It wouldn't be fun if there wasn't coordination, or a nonzero chance of failure. I wish more people would understand and internalize that. cheetah7071 posted:So what I'm getting from all these complaints is that Excalibur is a lovely server filled with terrible people and it's a good thing I'm not there. there's an mmo server for any game somewhere not filled with terrible people 
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Apr 29, 2014 22:03
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Is Chaos Thrust combo significantly stronger than the Full Thrust combo? When the DOT's full damage is taken into account, yes. Think of it this way, you can Full Thrust forever or you can take a minor hit on BIG NUMBERS inexchange for a Full Thrust that does 10% more and has an extra DoT behind it. And that 10% applies to other DRGs and BRDs as well, so you're helping everyone! You don't want to do only Chaos Thrust, but it's an important part of making Full Thrust as strong as it can be. Celery Jello fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 22:04
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I think its probably more likely that youll run into elitists on the old legacy servers.
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pksage posted:To be fair, what else is there to do on trash? They don't live long enough for Chaos Thrust. My usual trash mob thing is just popping all of my cooldowns as they come up, keeping Heavy Thrust and Phlebotomize on, and then doing the Full Thrust combo until the cows come home (or HT->Ring of Thorns on big packs). Unless they're almost dead, in which case you can just spam Phlebotomize or Heavy Thrust for 170 potency. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/119799-Dragoon-Advanced?s=ae5158012395b60557612457b61b970e This thread seems to cover everything, including how to best kill weak adds.
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pksage posted:To be fair, what else is there to do on trash? They don't live long enough for Chaos Thrust. My usual trash mob thing is just popping all of my cooldowns as they come up, keeping Heavy Thrust and Phlebotomize on, and then doing the Full Thrust combo until the cows come home (or HT->Ring of Thorns on big packs). Unless they're almost dead, in which case you can just spam Phlebotomize or Heavy Thrust for 170 potency. See, the ones I'm talking about don't keep heavy thrust and phlebotomize up. Or use their cooldowns. So are there any statics looking for tank/dps/healer on Excalibur? I came on to find that my new static kicked me before ever running with me because yesterday I couldn't be there due to a final.
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Mr. Nice! posted:See, the ones I'm talking about don't keep heavy thrust and phlebotomize up. Or use their cooldowns. Why on earth you wouldn't use your cooldowns The animations are neat as hell, esp. Internal Release.
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Kyrosiris posted:Why on earth you wouldn't use your cooldowns Same reason that there are a bunch of tanks who either never use cooldowns or use them all at once.
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Winter Stormer posted:Same reason that there are a bunch of tanks who either never use cooldowns or use them all at once. I'm still learning how to use them. Like honestly, I see them as a supplement for things a passable healer should already be doing, and I don't ever count on them to turn the tide of a fight. I use them if I SEE problems emerging to give my party the support it needs to keep me alive so I can continue to focus on maintaining aggro. However this is based off of trial and error, really.
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The best thing about the My Progression shitlords is being the tank and by far the most geared/experienced person in the group. They're never quite sure how to react to the guy in full Heavy Allagan saying "let the newbies enjoy their vidja game".
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Rei_ posted:I'm still learning how to use them. Like honestly, I see them as a supplement for things a passable healer should already be doing, and I don't ever count on them to turn the tide of a fight. I use them if I SEE problems emerging to give my party the support it needs to keep me alive so I can continue to focus on maintaining aggro. I use foresight and bloodbath often on trash mobs but that's about it for those. The good stuff is saved for boss fights.
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Also I've been trying to look up Warrior guides and half of them seem to have been written last year and the comments/replies are full of people telling them not to bother, the class is trash, it's unsalvagable and don't you dare queue for any endgame content using it and you should just switch to Paladin. So... Did...anything change? Or is this grognards being grognards or...?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:See, I disagree with that. I disclose this fact up-front as well, but have never been threatened with kicks or abuse. I do too, but totally play up that I'm a cat girl and am cute and will am single. Fellas...
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Rei_ posted:Also I've been trying to look up Warrior guides and half of them seem to have been written last year and the comments/replies are full of people telling them not to bother, the class is trash, it's unsalvagable and don't you dare queue for any endgame content using it and you should just switch to Paladin. They did a fairly significant overhaul of warriors in 2.1 and they kick rear end now. Anyone who still says they suck is a moron.
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Rei_ posted:Also I've been trying to look up Warrior guides and half of them seem to have been written last year and the comments/replies are full of people telling them not to bother, the class is trash, it's unsalvagable and don't you dare queue for any endgame content using it and you should just switch to Paladin. I think the general mantra here is "play whatever you want." There isn't really any bad class and if you enjoy a warrior over a paladin, go for it. I think there might be some scenarios where the different types of tanks do a bit better than one another but it's not a big enough deal not to play one of them overall.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Is Chaos Thrust combo significantly stronger than the Full Thrust combo? In terms of direct damage, no, but Disembowel makes everything you do more powerful and when you factor in the DoT Chaos Thrust does more damage in total than a Full Thrust. However, you don't get any extra benefit from reapplying the debuff and DoT before the cooldown is up, so you want to mix in as many Full Thrust combos in as you can between resetting your timers, which ideally you'll do as close to when they expire as possible without actually letting them fade away. People like to talk about "rotations" but that isn't really a relevant concept in this game; for all of the classes, or at least all of the DPS classes what you're really concerned with is keeping any buffs, debuffs, and DoTs you have active while mixing in as many direct damage skills as you can get away with before the timers run out. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:If there's only 1 or 2 people wanting to watch cutscenes, I tell them to knock themselves out. The rest of the ilevel 75+ people in there will fly through the place with or without the smn that just casts ruin or the dragoon that only full thrusts. In the final dungeon of all things, I don't want to skip cutscenes, but I also don't want to be locked out of boss fights, and I really don't think I should have to choose. Bringing in the post-gamers is supposed to help new people, but it just makes the whole process frustrating. It's not really the rouletters fault, for the most part, but the whole experience is poorly designed. Five minute cutscenes have no place in the middle of an instance. Edit: This is probably more confrontational than I want, but I had a bad experience during my first CM run. PhilippAchtel fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Rei_ posted:Also I've been trying to look up Warrior guides and half of them seem to have been written last year and the comments/replies are full of people telling them not to bother, the class is trash, it's unsalvagable and don't you dare queue for any endgame content using it and you should just switch to Paladin. It's just all the paladins being jealous of how much better we are.
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SpazmasterX posted:It's just all the paladins being jealous of how much better we are. Certainly, we're jealous of the fact that we never really have to run out of TP in prolonged fights, and that we can easily pop invincibility and run around instead of being rooted in one spot like a retard, or being able to become immune to knockback effects. Oh wait, you don't have those do you? That's a shame.
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jwang posted:Certainly, we're jealous of the fact that we never really have to run out of TP in prolonged fights, and that we can easily pop invincibility and run around instead of being rooted in one spot like a retard, or being able to become immune to knockback effects. Oh wait, you don't have those do you? That's a shame. you sound mad jealous
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Rei_ posted:Also I've been trying to look up Warrior guides and half of them seem to have been written last year and the comments/replies are full of people telling them not to bother, the class is trash, it's unsalvagable and don't you dare queue for any endgame content using it and you should just switch to Paladin. Before Christmastime patch this was arguably trueish. Now warriors kinda own and deffo have a place in every raid.
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Opposing Farce posted:Speaking of, how would someone on Ultros get into that LS again? I meant to hop in back when it was first mentioned but never got around to it. Yeah join the Linkshell Lyrina mentioned but I have a group of 5 in my Ultros FC and would love to have more. We're not serious or hardcore, just want to be cool bros and eventually afford a house. (I'm Bacon Deluxe.)
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