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Revolver Bunker posted:I didn't realize that there was an entire serial devote to characters relaxing and going about their daily lives. As a pro OP writer I had already made sure to put the magazine deets in the OP.
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Revolver Bunker posted:I didn't realize that there was an entire serial devote to characters relaxing and going about their daily lives. Honestly i'm not surprised in the least
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Jesus, I really should not have started that derail. Mea culpa.  Zorak posted:Its the anime season thread, not the WickedIcon reminds us why he's been probated and banned four dozen times for being a colossal weirdo thread, that's why. Is there any way I can talk to you in private without buying PMs? holy poo poo it HAS been four dozen times, jesus christ I have been on here for too long e: v Did not even notice, thanks. SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Is there any way I can talk to you in private without buying PMs? He's got an e-mail address listed in his forum profile.
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I'm not really into ranking things that I watch and my end of the season list is usually just "these were the shows I liked enough to finish" so I hope there isn't going to be a mandate to rank them in the next thread.  I'm watching Mushishi - Second Season, Ping Pong the Animation, and Knights of Sidonia. There are a few other shows I may go back to and marathon once the season is over, but those three are all I care enough about to actively keep up with as they air.
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Clarste posted:Hataraku started strong, but you could tell it was stretching itself thin over thirteen episodes. The second half wasn't as good as the first, and I have no doubt that a sequel would be even worse. Let it stand alone as a good series. With LN adaptations, it's difficult to go at a decent clip without eventually having to stretch things out or rush things given the compact nature of the source. It's usually better to err towards the former as Hataraku did since it also allows for more material available in a potential S2 or 3
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Xelkelvos posted:With LN adaptations, it's difficult to go at a decent clip without eventually having to stretch things out or rush things given the compact nature of the source. It's usually better to err towards the former as Hataraku did since it also allows for more material available in a potential S2 or 3 That's not what I meant. I don't think the LNs have enough good material. The whole series revolves around one really good joke and everything they add to it just waters it down. I'm not saying the pacing of the second half was bad, I think the content itself was worse. I honestly don't want to see a sequel because the direction it was going makes me think it'll be bad.
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Clarste posted:That's not what I meant. I don't think the LNs have enough good material. The whole series revolves around one really good joke and everything they add to it just waters it down. I'm not saying the pacing of the second half was bad, I think the content itself was worse. I honestly don't want to see a sequel because the direction it was going makes me think it'll be bad. Depends on how much potential you see in raising a child. Given stuff like Beelzebub and Yotsubato, there's decent comedy potential in the idea. Allarion fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Having advanced No Game No Life to episode 3, I'm gonna watch it to the end. I'm laughing my rear end off, all the characters so far have turned out to be much more interesting than I expected them to be at first glance, and the way they've been developing the games has been really interesting. There's not near as much fanservice as some people were saying there was, either. My only real regret is that they seem to have given up on the gag of the princess being forced to fall in love with the protagonist and bashing her head against a wall when she can't resist it. They got a full episode of traction out of it already, but it was clever and funny enough that I'm a little sad if they just forget it at this point.
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Clarste posted:Hataraku started strong, but you could tell it was stretching itself thin over thirteen episodes. The second half wasn't as good as the first, and I have no doubt that a sequel would be even worse. Let it stand alone as a good series. You do know it was based off a series, and not just an original animated series, right? And from what little I've heard about it, there's a lot of interesting and cool poo poo that wasn't animated, and the series only got through the first 1/3rd of the books. Why not just animate the rest of them?
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S-Alpha posted:You do know it was based off a series, and not just an original animated series, right? And from what little I've heard about it, there's a lot of interesting and cool poo poo that wasn't animated, and the series only got through the first 1/3rd of the books. Why not just animate the rest of them? Of course I knew that. How many times do I have to say "I think the light novels are probably bad" before people get it?
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Hataraku Maou-Sama was basically a love letter to the freeter lifestyle. Yeah, you're probably hot poo poo in the alternative world of FF14 or Dark Souls, but sometimes, you just gotta take responsibility for your life, and make the most of working at McDonalds. May as well hang out with your other loser friends in your tiny apartment, get drunk and eat lovely food, and hit on high schoolers.
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Phobophilia posted:Hataraku Maou-Sama was basically a love letter to the freeter lifestyle. Yeah, you're probably hot poo poo in the alternative world of FF14 or Dark Souls, but sometimes, you just gotta take responsibility for your life, and make the most of working at McDonalds. May as well hang out with your other loser friends in your tiny apartment, get drunk and eat lovely food, and hit on high schoolers. Yeah, right? If you're not joking, then I agree that this is where it came from.
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As far as I know, the crazy thing about the Devil is a Part Timer is that it turned out good in spite of its source material. Like in the original, the MC's true form was the exact same thing only now he has horns. His hulked out form is entirely an invention of the anime. And even then there was some silly poo poo in the original that the anime couldn't entirely ditch, like the final scene in the rain.
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Clarste posted:Of course I knew that. How many times do I have to say "I think the light novels are probably bad" before people get it? They won some kind of literary reward, actually. Don't remember which, but this definitely wasn't your average LN fare.
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Joshlemagne posted:words It's not that Zorak doesn't want that discussion, it's that a lot of users are sick of that discussion. I'll come out of lurking to say that I have seen this topic in ADTRW over and over again, and each time it's the same, each time the conversation runs in circle, leads to the same meta-forum whining, and it's boring me, it's boring a lot of people, and it's boring the mods, which is why they don't like those derails. Here, apply this to every time a show some people like use fanservice: "Yep it sure is a bad thing that this show objectify women. Now you can : 1. Start watching better shows. 2. Stop watching anime. 3. Accept that this one is flawed and dumb but still can be entertaining and that you are not going to change it or the japanese industry with your whining." Your choice to drop a show because it has fanservice is valid, but please don't restart the eternal fanservice slapfight because people choose 3.
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Xythar posted:They won some kind of literary reward, actually. Don't remember which, but this definitely wasn't your average LN fare. Mahouka also won awards. LN readers are not known for their discerning taste.
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BlitzBlast posted:As far as I know, the crazy thing about the Devil is a Part Timer is that it turned out good in spite of its source material. Like in the original, the MC's true form was the exact same thing only now he has horns. His hulked out form is entirely an invention of the anime. And even then there was some silly poo poo in the original that the anime couldn't entirely ditch, like the final scene in the rain. Given that the LN illustrations show demon Maou towering over Emi I'm pretty sure that bit about his true form being human form + horns isn't true.
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I just gave myself an award for Best Post in this Thread. Congratulations!
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Clarste posted:Mahouka also won awards. LN readers are not known for their discerning taste. Did it? As far as I can find, it's just very popular and gets high rankings, and the original web novel got a lot of hits. Apparently it was also ranked in a "This Light Novel is Amazing" guidebook but otherwise, it actually hasn't won any official awards.
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Phobophilia posted:I just gave myself an award for Best Post in this Thread. Yeah, a lot of manga/LN awards are from their own publishers which is seriously "oh why even bother".
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Sir Gladu posted:Here, apply this to every time a show some people like use fanservice: "Yep it sure is a bad thing that this show objectify women. Now you can : 1. Start watching better shows. 2. Stop watching anime. 3. Accept that this one is flawed and dumb but still can be entertaining and that you are not going to change it or the japanese industry with your whining." You can say this about any criticism people come up with. But for some reason people don't get mad when you say a show has a dumb plot or boring characters. Remember the last derail was started by some guy whining about people bringing up fanservice as a reason they don't like shows and intimating that they actually don't find it objectionable at all but are just trying to lord their moral superiority over everyone else. I don't want ADTRW to become like games, where any talk about how you might find something objectionable is banned, not because it's an invalid argument, but because of the inevitable flood of shitposters screaming "Go back to tumblr". I should be able to call a creepy loving pedo show a creepy loving pedo show, even if that makes the creepy loving pedos who love it really angry. It was bad enough not being able to say Kill la Kill was dumb and creepy without Zorak jumping all up your butt. If that's how it's going to be here from now on then how the gently caress is this place any different from any other dumb, creepy forum about anime on the internet?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Does anyone remember how the author of Kannagi was harrassed by fans until she stopped making the manga, because the fans were outraged that Kannagi actually had a boyfriend in the past? Didn't that situation end up being bullshit dreamed up by a Sankaku Complex writer from a single 2ch post.
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dipple posted:Didn't that situation end up being bullshit dreamed up by a Sankaku Complex writer from a single 2ch post. To be charitable it was maybe like 3 or 4 different posts? But that's still quite bullshit and you can paint any group in the world as incredibly lovely when you resort to anonymous comments on the internet.
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Zorak posted:Yeah, a lot of manga/LN awards are from their own publishers which is seriously "oh why even bother". The Japanese media industry never ceases to amaze me.
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Joshlemagne posted:You can say this about any criticism people come up with. But for some reason people don't get mad when you say a show has a dumb plot or boring characters. Remember the last derail was started by some guy whining about people bringing up fanservice as a reason they don't like shows and intimating that they actually don't find it objectionable at all but are just trying to lord their moral superiority over everyone else. The Kill la Kill topic had a largely unenforced ban about complaining about that one aspect of the show for like three episodes because it had been explored pretty much in detail in the season thread and, big surprise, the vast majority of people agreed and we didn't need everyone feeling like they needed to give the obvious impression on a topic that pretty much everyone concurred about, months on end of people calling attention to the fact that the show was skeevy as hell from its basic art direction (no poo poo). It was a tired topic, so for the sake of people discussing other aspects of the show I requested people to move on as part of being moderator often means playing 'debate moderator' so that more topics can be discussed. It wasn't really enforced at all, and people criticized all the stupid bullshit the show pulled plenty as it went on, including that very aspect because it didn't get any better really! In hindsight I probably shouldn't have bothered, but that's probably colored by me not caring for the show at all. This very thread has had plenty of criticism of stupid fanservice in shows, this entire conversation started because of one person whining about people complaining about fanservice. You know, making the argument that the thing you argue isn't happening is "ruining ADTRW", and everyone basically rolling their eyes about it because that is a stupid position. People can be critical of shows and have opinions for whatever reason they want. Why should someone care why someone else dislikes a show? Why do we need to discuss the very act of having discussion? Just discuss the show! Be critical! Enjoy the show if you do, don't if you don't! Criticism of fanservice or creepy elements is perfectly fine in ADTRW, there's been endless pages of people talking about shows being skeevy in this and other threads. There's nothing wrong with that. This entire conversation started because someone was bothered that we had people discussing and criticizing anime. Which is stupid as hell, as pretty much every response indicated, so for the sake of just making it clear that this thread was in fact intended for discussion of, you know, the current anime season and not discussion itself, I tried to rerail the thread. And yet you're arguing that we're somehow pushing the counter point? That we desperately need to have some sort of meta-discussion about whether we can or cannot discuss fanservice, when pretty much everyone agrees with you that, no poo poo, yes you can? People can criticize shows for any and all reasons they want as part of content-filled discussion. Discussing discussion itself is, as this conversation has proven, completely awful. Seriously, can we please move on? This is one of the most inconsequential and pointless things to endure, and it really does detract from just talking about the shows! As I've sarcastically mentioned numerous times in thread, there are better things one can do with one's time (such as, Reading A Book, here's a suggestion). Meanwhile let's get back to discussing anime and manga, the purpose of the forum!! Zorak fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Srice posted:To be charitable it was maybe like 3 or 4 different posts? But that's still quite bullshit and you can paint any group in the world as incredibly lovely when you resort to anonymous comments on the internet. That situation was blown out of proportion as I recall (what a surprise, a skeevy pornography website not being the most reputable news source, who knew!), but the sentiment has popped up here and there outside of that situation. There's the situation that occurred where an idol was forced to apologize in tears to her fans for ruining her career for daring to have gone a date, which is yet another example of how extreme fandoms are weird.
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Korean pop stars have also gotten in trouble for daring to have personal lives outside of their careers and that is as mainstream as it gets in Korea so this type of behaviour is not solely linked to "extreme fandoms". Sure, the people who freak out about it are extreme, yes, but it is an expected response because these products (idols, anime, manga, LNs) are designed for this. For example, how every girl or guy in a harem show is completely different in order to pull in as large of an audience as they can due to catering to every preference (also consider how a big group like SNSD has every girl with their own distinct personality and look). We had it in North America too, when boy bands were crazy popular (and arguably Bieber as well but I don't keep track of tween twitter so I don't know how mad they got when he hooked up with Selena Gomez). Anyway, blame the media for developing and spreading the concept of celebrities and characters as objects to be desired instead of people with their own desires.
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Zorak posted:the vast majority of people agreed No offense, but it's pretty easy to get consensus when you threaten to probate anyone who disagrees. Maybe that's not how you saw the situation, but it's definitely how it felt. I read ADTRW because it's one of the only anime forums that's pretty much free of stupid "mai waifu" poo poo and gigs of gifs of nearly naked little girls all over the place. In the past year I've felt a very distinct decline in those standards. A few season threads ago someone brought up "My little sister can't be this cute" and you said pretty firmly "No. We don't talk about creepy sister loving anime here". And then we get here with the sister loving show du jour of the season getting a worrying amount of "Well yeah there's some sister loving but...". I just feel like a lot of this poo poo wouldn't have flied a year ago. But you're right this isn't the thread for it. Once again, though, there isn't any thread for it. We used to get "State of ADTRW" threads periodically. If I were more conspiratorially-minded I might find it odd that we haven't gotten one in the past year or so. In the interest of being on-topic here's a list of shows from this season that are both pretty decent to watch and mostly fanservice-free: Mekaku City Actors Isshukan Friends Hitsugi no Chaika Ping Pong JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (unless fabulous burly men counts as fanservice)
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Joshlemagne posted:And then we get here with the sister loving show du jour of the season getting a worrying amount of "Well yeah there's some sister loving but...". Pretty sure that sentence ended with "but it's also terrible by every other metric of good writing." Unless you're thinking of a different show.
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Joshlemagne posted:No offense, but it's pretty easy to get consensus when you threaten to probate anyone who disagrees. Spoilers: the majority thought it was skeevy as hell, YOU ARE IN THE CONSENSUS. A lot of people watched the show for aspects that they liked about it, then discovered that no, it was mostly just pretty bad! Such was their right to do so! Other people liked the non weird elements! Such was their right to do so! WOW!! For the love of god do I literally need to probate you because you literally cannot comprehend this simple fact because you are desperate to pointlessly debate this? Move on! Zorak fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Joshlemagne posted:
Where the hell is Mushishi man?
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boredsatellite posted:Where the hell is Mushishi man? All those naked mushi everywhere? It's basically soft-core porn.
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I have to be honest in that I saw KlK as getting a lot of undeserved protection from criticism, and I think there's been a lot of ill will floating on the boards because of it. You talk about not enforcing the ban on skeeviness discussion, but how are posters to know you weren't going to? The threat alone has a suppressive effect. Embracing Kill La Kill as a show immune to certain angles of criticism - a show which ended up being pretty much as lovely as first glance as it was in it's final moments - does set a precedent. Why *shouldn't* we talk about whatever garbage sis-con bro-cest show is drawing otaku eyeballs? Maybe the choreography is extra great, or the directing is extra stylish, or maybe it's by a director we really like. The line for what's acceptable on the forums has been shifted, and I don't think its only Joshlemagne that has this concern. I can understand not wanting to get the dedicated anime thread mired up in that familiar debate, but I feel like a better solution would have been to open a separate thread for discussion. Not everybody reads the Upcoming Anime Season threads - I read a lot of ADTRW, but I never knew it was discussed there at all. Maybe a general chat or offtopic discussion thread would alleviate pressure? I'm currently reading Terry Pratchett's Nation, and it is pretty great! I also recommend the Marvel Now relaunch of Deadpool.
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Nothing stopped people from criticizing the show in the season thread or in the thread itself  All there literally was a single line that said "yes, the show has lovely art design for the lead's outfit, well done, let's talk about everything else" because literally everyone criticized that aspect of it in the season thread. There was nothing literally nothing prohibiting people from criticizing any other elements of it, and that itself was the most bare of request because a ton of people were watching the show and we didn't need to reiterate the most bare level criticism ad infinitum when people were by and large on the same page. That's literally it. There was nothing saying people couldn't criticize it for being skeevy, and people criticized it plenty, it had absolutely ludicrous poo poo in it.There was absolutely no protection from criticism, unless you are confusing "people watching the show in spite of negative elements" as some sort of protection from criticism? People can both criticize and ignore criticism. Plus, uhhh the content you're ascribing to it wasn't there, it had other elements that were really bad and resulted in a ton of criticism from even people that liked the show overall but holy balls do we literally need to discuss KLK ad infinitum? The show was basically poo poo, it ended months ago. The thread isn't even open anymore. Move on! Again: This conversation started because someone was bothered by the fact that the thread in question was too critical, literally the opposite of what you are claiming.  Nothing has changed policy wise here, good lord. We absolutely do NOT need an offtopic chat thread, and again, I'm serious, get back to discussing the season. I do not want to have to probate over something as inane as this. Zorak fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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boredsatellite posted:Where the hell is Mushishi man? It's obviously implied. e: I'll take this out so it doesn't keep the discussion going. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Right. Hey how about that Konojo ga Flag show? Is it worth watching?
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Joshlemagne posted:In the interest of being on-topic here's a list of shows from this season that are both pretty decent to watch and mostly fanservice-free: The best part about this post is that, of the four of these I've seen, the only one I can recommend without caveats is Ping Pong. Hitsugi no Chaika rises above creepy moe poo poo but it's obvious that's the core of it's pitch. Jojo is pretty creepy about how it portrays women this season, including a highly sexual possession sequence. Mekaku is pretty tame for a shaft series but so was Nisekoi before it's swimsuit episode. Like, this is kind of unavoidable. Like a huge chunk of anime is back-of-the-video-store straight up porn, and it used to be a much bigger part before late-night anime caught on. Stuff is much tamer now but most of these shows are still trying to capture the audience that used to rent that kind of thing. It's kind of surprising it's not worse. The only way an anime fan can stay sane is by mocking the shows that get stupid, enjoying the shows that are cool, and not being a creep about our animated drawings to replace women. That balance works differently for different people but I for real think that we do a pretty good job.
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SSNeoman posted:Right. Hey how about that Konojo ga Flag show? Is it worth watching? I've watched the first 2 episodes of it, and the most I can remember is that the 1st half of the 2nd episode had me really laughing. Other than that, I am drawing a complete blank as to what is happening.
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SSNeoman posted:Right. Hey how about that Konojo ga Flag show? Is it worth watching? Probably not. It's a really generic harem romcom that doesn't even use its gimmick interestingly other than the first episode. All the characters are cliches and there's barely any character development. There's other stuff that hint at a bigger story, but it's still really generic and kind of boring. This is an opinion I've made based off of reading the manga though, though they're about the same based off what I saw in the first episode.
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