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If we have 10% inflation and 10% interest rates, affording the F-35 will be the least of our worries. Do remember those inflation numbers affect tax reciepts, although it's a lot more complicated than 1:1. Even with a 4th-gen airframe you're going to have to advance the avionics over the next few decades to stay relevant, which means a lot of those procurement / computing / etc expenses pop up anyway.
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May 1, 2014 20:44
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The curious survival of the US Communist Party.
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Groda posted:All that's left is the FBI agents. Reminds me of the thing how in Germany they have a secret police force specifically dedicated to monitoring anti-democratic groups. When the government tried to ban the National Democratic Party for illegal activities, courts blocked it on the grounds that the party in question was so thoroughly infiltrated by the police that it was questionable if the party wasn't actually effectively controlled by the government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany_(NPD)#2011_banning_attempt
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May 1, 2014 21:08
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Nebakenezzer posted:For one, having really high inflation and really high interest is I think mutually exclusive; you can have one or the other, but not both.
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May 1, 2014 21:43
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I was actually thinking of that; the high inflation was cured with high interest rates but fair point, they did both exist simultaneously. Slamburger posted:We should be selling these things to our enemies, not our allies Selling expensive warplanes to an ally to bankrupt their military to make invading easier is a move worthy of Lex Luthor fake e: what am I saying? Lex Luthor would actually sell the Conservatives on the idea as the budget drain would justify beating up on the non-richers by getting rid of social programs. Then, he'd invade
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Slamburger posted:We should be selling these things to our enemies, not our allies Well, you figure we'll probably Annex Canada at some point.
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At some point you hit the Dr. Evil conundrum: you make more money with the legit cover up activity than by actually being evil. If step 1 of your plan is "sell the F-35 to Canada", why would you bother with step 2? You already have all their money.
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FrozenVent posted:At some point you hit the Dr. Evil conundrum: you make more money with the legit cover up activity than by actually being evil. Isn't that also the Goldman Sachs business plan?
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FrozenVent posted:At some point you hit the Dr. Evil conundrum: you make more money with the legit cover up activity than by actually being evil. That sweet, sweet maple syrup.
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May 1, 2014 23:12
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Akion posted:That sweet, sweet maple syrup.
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Akion posted:Well, you figure we'll probably Annex Canada at some point. They *are* Socialists. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They *are* Socialists. Stephen Harper is to the right of Barack Obama. The criticism of the F-35 gets a bit echo-chambery in here I think. The problems don't come from it being a bad plane, just an excessively expensive one for what it does.
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Mortabis posted:Stephen Harper is to the right of Barack Obama. Don't you muddy the issues with your *logic*! And while it certainly can fly and deliver ordnance (we think), the point is, for the money spent we should have gotten something *spectacular*. Not all of this is to blame on "oh hey we need a STOVL version too." BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:43 on May 1, 2014 |
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May 1, 2014 23:41
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Mortabis posted:The criticism of the F-35 gets a bit echo-chambery in here I think. The problems don't come from it being a bad plane, just an excessively expensive one for what it does. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 00:09 on May 2, 2014 |
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FrozenVent posted:At some point you hit the Dr. Evil conundrum: you make more money with the legit cover up activity than by actually being evil. Poutine is really good.
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FrozenVent posted:At some point you hit the Dr. Evil conundrum: you make more money with the legit cover up activity than by actually being evil. Because you could have *more* The tarsands of Alberta The Canadian Shield, filled with gold and Uranium The hottest women of Montreal, trained to be your personal assassins! Mortabis posted:The criticism of the F-35 gets a bit echo-chambery in here I think. The problems don't come from it being a bad plane, just an excessively expensive one for what it does. I do think it is a bad plane for Canada, who doesn't frankly have the money to mess around with a off-lease Maserati when a new Ford Mustang would be perfect. I actually agree with iyaayas otherwise that now that the F-35 is actually being deployed in the USA you guys are gonna have to live with it. I'm not sure if it will be the one true airframe, but I think it will be produced in significant numbers.
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This just in from Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo - A pair of F-15s on Baltic Air Police duty flying with a full combat loadout, 4 AIM-120C and 4 AIM-9X  This isn't some token showing, this is "if it comes down to it we're ready to blow up a lot of jets and kill a lot of people".
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Nebakenezzer posted:The hottest women of Montreal, trained to be your personal assassins! Have you ever tried to tell a French-Canadian woman what to do? Give it a try sometimes, you'll be stunned by the results.
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Red Crown posted:This just in from Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo - Wouldn't be surprised if a few F-22s make a showing at some point.
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Nebakenezzer posted:
Unfortunately, in another 15-20 years when the F-15s and F-16s start dropping from the sky in unacceptable numbers, the F-35 will have to be the one true airframe.
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ArchangeI posted:Wouldn't be surprised if a few F-22s make a showing at some point. That would mean potentially putting them up against aircraft possessing a measure of parity, so no, not likely. You've only got the world's best fighter aircraft so long as nothing's ever been definitively proven to beat it.  ...and yes, I know if it comes down to anyone actually shooting at an F-22 we've got bigger issues.  Godholio posted:Unfortunately, in another 15-20 years when the F-15s and F-16s start dropping from the sky in unacceptable numbers, the F-35 will have to be the one true airframe. In another 15-20 years the L-M/Boeing/Northrop/Grumman mega-conglomerate will unilaterally decide the United Corporate States of America needs a new fighter plane instead of federal food assistance.
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4x AMRAAMs 4x Sidewinders the usual combat load for an Eagle? I have no idea how much ordinance they can strap on.
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FrozenVent posted:Have you ever tried to tell a French-Canadian woman what to do? Give it a try sometimes, you'll be stunned by the results. She won't even take the cigarette out of her mouth while she yells at you.
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Alaan posted:4x AMRAAMs 4x Sidewinders the usual combat load for an Eagle? I have no idea how much ordinance they can strap on. I would assume the main issue is that they are doing air policing (i.e. making sure civilian airliners that stray off course aren't hijacked) with BVR missiles, which runs counter to strict air policing. I would assume 2x Aim 9 plus gun to be the normal air policing loadout. No need to drag heavy BVR missiles around and cut into your fuel supply.
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ArchangeI posted:I would assume the main issue is that they are doing air policing (i.e. making sure civilian airliners that stray off course aren't hijacked) with BVR missiles, which runs counter to strict air policing. I would assume 2x Aim 9 plus gun to be the normal air policing loadout. No need to drag heavy BVR missiles around and cut into your fuel supply. Yeah but the extra ordnance helps with the dick waving thing.
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ArchangeI posted:I would assume the main issue is that they are doing air policing (i.e. making sure civilian airliners that stray off course aren't hijacked) with BVR missiles, which runs counter to strict air policing. I would assume 2x Aim 9 plus gun to be the normal air policing loadout. No need to drag heavy BVR missiles around and cut into your fuel supply. As I understand it, the "classic" air police loadout was gas, two Sidewinders and then one AMRAAM.
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Red Crown posted:As I understand it, the "classic" air police loadout was gas, two Sidewinders and then one AMRAAM. How is it not a rule that all loadouts are symmetrical? 
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ArchangeI posted:Wouldn't be surprised if a few F-22s make a showing at some point. Doesn't the Raptor require rather...specialized and expensive support facilities in order to be maintained for a prolonged period of time? And where in Europe would you find it? If I were asked to guess where in Europe F-22s might be deployed, I'd say Poland for some reason. Saving the Raptor up your sleeve is a good idea, though. Never play an ace if a two will do.
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Well they ("rebels") shot down two Ukranian helicopters and Russia says peace talks are off the table. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27250026
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Red Crown posted:This just in from Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo - This may be the way the first F-15 is positioned, but are those AIM-120s daisy chained in front of each other, nuts-to-butts? If so, are there any implications on firing the first two in front of the second row? Flames, exhaust fumes etc. Unless they drop first before igniting the booster.
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:This may be the way the first F-15 is positioned, but are those AIM-120s daisy chained in front of each other, nuts-to-butts? If so, are there any implications on firing the first two in front of the second row? Flames, exhaust fumes etc. Unless they drop first before igniting the booster. It's my understanding that the missiles on the fuselage stations do eject a short distance as the rocket motor ignites. Missiles on the wing stations (AIM-9 or AIM-120) fire immediately with no ejection. Source: DCS F-15 (which typically gets these things right). EDIT: At the time-stamp of this video you can see three BVR missile firings in quick succession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGFUYUAeReo#t=3m50s The first launch is an AIM-7 (smokey propellant trail) from a fuselage station, and you can see there is small downwards component. The second launch is an AIM-120 from a wing station, but this time you can see it comes off the rail immediately. The third launch is another fuselage AIM-7, again with a downward component. Crescendo fucked around with this message at 15:05 on May 2, 2014 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:In another 15-20 years the L-M/Boeing/Northrop/Grumman mega-conglomerate will unilaterally decide the United Corporate States of America needs a new fighter plane instead of federal food assistance. Yup. Then add another 20-30 for R&D. Edit: standard F-15 load out with previous Sidewinders was 6x2xG. With the AIM-9x, 4x4xG became common and is probably the new standard. Godholio fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 2, 2014 |
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Doesn't the Tornado interceptor have a little swing arm deelie that holds the conformally mounted missiles away when they launch?
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Slamburger posted:Its been mentioned before in this thread, but the first nuclear reactor was created in downtown Chicago, unshielded, and uncooled. I really like that the nomenclature "pile" which is synonymous with reactor (not so much nowadays) was because it was a literal pile of nuclear material and graphite. TheFluff posted:The first Swedish nuclear reactor was located 27 meters underground on the campus of the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, which isn't exactly downtown, but it's sorta close to it and it's definitely in the middle of a dense urban area. One of the subsequent early-60's production plants was built under a mountain (seeing a pattern here? cold war Sweden loved building things underground) in a Stockholm suburb. Sorta unusually it wasn't primarily an electric plant, but rather mostly intended to produce district heating for the surrounding suburbs. It had a sorta scary incident with a mis-installed valve and a subsequent water leak and power short-circuit in the late 60's and it was shut down in 1974. The site still exists today though, and the exterior of it looks pretty cool. That is cool as heck. District heating is a very good application for nuclear reactors IMHO. I think they do it in Russia as well. Do you know what reactor type it was? (BWR or PWR or something else) spankmeister fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 2, 2014 |
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ArchangeI posted:Wouldn't be surprised if a few F-22s make a showing at some point. If I were a US AF commander, I'd exercise restraint in giving an opponent looks at the Raptor. It's best to always keep the other guy wondering what exactly are your capabilities.
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