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Prodigious posted:Generally speaking, connecting at c7 is very rarely correct. Either b6 or e7 instead is usually better. Yes, Prodigious has this right. I was just looking at things from a shape perspective, where it mostly looks okay... but yeah. B7 (by which I mean Black 7, i.e. C7) is the wrong direction if we don't have help around. All examples of that move in pro play have either Black support nearby so as not to have to play B11, or a stone nearby on the bottom side to undermine W16. As it stands, the position looks tidy and joseki-ish, but that White corner is too large for it to be fair, so B should only choose B7 if he has local support.
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So I'm getting a little discouraged. I know you're supposed to lose 100 games, but I feel like after 10-20 I'm not learning anything. I'm studying webpages about go and things like that but the concepts seem to just fly out of my head when I start playing. Is this just perseverance at this point, or do some people (like me) just not get it?
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areyoucontagious posted:So I'm getting a little discouraged. I know you're supposed to lose 100 games, but I feel like after 10-20 I'm not learning anything. I'm studying webpages about go and things like that but the concepts seem to just fly out of my head when I start playing. Is this just perseverance at this point, or do some people (like me) just not get it? Just ask a stronger player for a review/teaching game. He will tell you what to focus on next.
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areyoucontagious posted:So I'm getting a little discouraged. I know you're supposed to lose 100 games, but I feel like after 10-20 I'm not learning anything. I'm studying webpages about go and things like that but the concepts seem to just fly out of my head when I start playing. Is this just perseverance at this point, or do some people (like me) just not get it? I am kgs 10k. Counting ranked games only, I have only lost 49 games total, so the learning hasn't even begun to start. Counting everything that's not bot games/silly/9x9 or 13x13, I've probably only done 125-175 games by this point. That isn't even that much. Play more 19x19 with ITGO goons, get reviews, then play ranked and do the same. Off-topic: I started on Cho Chikun's intermediate after I got stuck on problem #320 on his elementary. I solved the first 8 and I really like how the first few deal with falsifying eyes.
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areyoucontagious posted:So I'm getting a little discouraged. I know you're supposed to lose 100 games, but I feel like after 10-20 I'm not learning anything. I'm studying webpages about go and things like that but the concepts seem to just fly out of my head when I start playing. Is this just perseverance at this point, or do some people (like me) just not get it? There's a definite element of perseverance at the total beginner stage. It's hard to remember strategy and tesuji and whatever else when you are still trying to get the basic concepts of the game to congeal in your head and can't read ahead very well (or at all.) Playing a lot of games and asking questions about whatever's tripping you up will get you over the initial hump. Are you on KGS and in ITGO? If not, highly recommend doing so. Playing a ton of quicker games as a beginner is easily the best way out of the early funk and stepping towards really understanding what the hell is happening on the board.
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EDIT: Revised, see my next post.
Xom fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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I can't solve the 50k problem because it won't allow me to capture the stone in a ladder for some reason.
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Thanks for the replies. I play on http://online-go.com/, which I guess used to be nova.gs? I've been on KGS before, but that was a long time ago and a false start. I've only recently been taking the game more seriously. Also what is ITGO? Is that the ITGO league thing? I can't really figure out what to do with that. :/
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areyoucontagious posted:Thanks for the replies. I play on http://online-go.com/, which I guess used to be nova.gs? I've been on KGS before, but that was a long time ago and a false start. I've only recently been taking the game more seriously. Also what is ITGO? Is that the ITGO league thing? I can't really figure out what to do with that. :/
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Xom's guide for newbies Start with The Interactive Way To Go. After IWTG, check and make sure you're absolutely clear on the following basic game mechanics: eyes, false eyes, and Japanese scoring (i.e. you understand how playing inside your territory costs you point(s) and how removing already-dead stone(s) by filling their liberties doesn't otherwise affect the score except that playing inside your territory costs you point(s)). Then, two brief items:
Xom fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Another goon wrote the following advice for the wave of newbies we got from the Summer 2011 recruit thread:Under 15 posted:How to learn go without quitting like a bitch Xom fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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None of your links work for me.
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# ? Apr 26, 2014 03:05 |
goodness posted:None of your links work for me. All of them work for me.
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Sorry guys, java booted me and I can't log back in
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Kheldragar posted:All of them work for me. Maybe it's a chrome thing, or do I have to have an account on that site? Idk, none of the sensei xmp links work for me :/
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Are you able to visit http://senseis.xmp.net manually?
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Xom posted:Are you able to visit http://senseis.xmp.net manually? Negative, on either Chrome or Firefox.
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http://gtl.xmp.net ?
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Yes that works. Well now all the links work after going to that.
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# ? Apr 26, 2014 04:34 |
The latest Jubango was an interesting game. Big areas; probably the game in which I've been able to predict the most moves ahead of time so far, whatever that means.
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Sorry for casually ignoring everyone's games on OGS byt I'm in the middle of writing my bachelor's thesis and I'm just casually ignoring everything in my life atm.
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ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Win by a half-point after using the technique from combinatorial-game-theory of getting the last two-point* double-gote move after removing all possible opponent's one-point reverse-sente moves. *i.e. two-point difference i.e. one-point miai value
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That's pretty cool.
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areyoucontagious posted:Thanks for the replies. I play on http://online-go.com/, which I guess used to be nova.gs? I've been on KGS before, but that was a long time ago and a false start. I've only recently been taking the game more seriously. Also what is ITGO? Is that the ITGO league thing? I can't really figure out what to do with that. :/ hi im on this site as well as a few others here, join the SA group! challenge me to a correspondence game! i'm low rank!
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Xom posted:ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Win by a half-point after using the technique from combinatorial-game-theory of getting the last two-point* double-gote move after removing all possible opponent's one-point reverse-sente moves. So essentially you took gote a bunch of times and still won by 0.5.
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uranus posted:hi im on this site as well as a few others here, join the SA group! challenge me to a correspondence game! i'm low rank! Bam, request sent. I actually really like online-go compared to KGS, if only because I like the interface better.
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Kheldragar posted:So essentially you took gote a bunch of times and still won by 0.5.
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# ? Apr 28, 2014 15:54 |
Xom posted:Removing opponent's rev. sente means playing my sente. Didn't you tell me reverse sente was a sente move for your opponet but a gote move for you?
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Kheldragar posted:Didn't you tell me reverse sente was a sente move for your opponet but a gote move for you? Yes, keep in mind reverse sente is only reverse sente for one player's perspective, it's just sente for the other (Xom, in this case). So an opponent's reverse sente is your sente and their gote.
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Is it just me or is the ranking on online-go.com a bit off? My games seem a lot more one sided than on kgs.
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WuChou posted:Yes, keep in mind reverse sente is only reverse sente for one player's perspective, it's just sente for the other (Xom, in this case). So an opponent's reverse sente is your sente and their gote. Yeah, Xom phrased it a little weirdly ("removing opponent's reverse-sente," rather than simply "playing my sente"), but the principle he seems to be describing is that the right time to play your (single-)sente moves is just before the board cools enough for your opponent to play them in reverse sente. So, play all those one-point sente moves just before taking the last two-point gote, otherwise your opponent will play a one-point reverse sente instead of a one-point double gote and you may end up losing a point due to that in the final scoring.
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pointsofdata posted:Is it just me or is the ranking on online-go.com a bit off? My games seem a lot more one sided than on kgs. I'm 4k on KGS and just settled at 8k on OGS, so yeah, if you set yourself as your expected rank on other servers you may settle a number of stones away from what you were expecting.
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Different personality types/styles work better or worse for realtime or turn-based play too. So far it seems like my 4d rank on OGS is justified, but I'd probably most correctly be rated 2d on KGS, so I'm the opposite of oiseaux in that regard.
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Some people consider consultation with strong players during a corr game to be OK, I know a lot of people who do this regularly. It might make the ranks a bit wonky especially with a small base. (Not accusing xopods or anything)
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Uncle Jam posted:Some people consider consultation with strong players during a corr game to be OK, I know a lot of people who do this regularly. It might make the ranks a bit wonky especially with a small base. (Not accusing xopods or anything) "Ghosting" would become pretty hard to do in the higher ranks anyway. The only two players stronger than me who I'm on a first name basis with are James Sedgwick and Phil Waldron, and I haven't seen either of them since I stopped attending live tournaments. I imagine either of them would think it pretty weird if I contacted them to ask for help in an OGS/DGS game. I think there's a lot of ethical leeway in turn-based play though... which is kind of what I like about it. Ultimately, the quality of the game is the important thing, and the nice thing about turn-based is that the trailing player can put in as much effort and research as they like to find a move to help catch up, while the leading player will likely slack off a bit. If I feel like I'm comfortably ahead, I play almost like I would on KGS. If I'm behind or the game is close, then I have no problem using publicly-available materials to help research my move. This means games tend to be a lot closer. I like that OGS actually has the analysis tool built into the interface, as opposed to something like DGS where I imagine everyone at the higher ranks is occasionally downloading the SGF to play out a few variations before deciding on a critical move, but wondering when they do so whether their opponent is doing likewise or would consider it cheating. The fact that you can turn it off is nice, too. Then, even though you could still play out variations in another piece of Go software if you wanted to, it's clear that that would be cheating, and so you don't do it. Either way, better than just leaving it in a grey area.
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losing because of misclicks is the worse ughghg
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# ? May 2, 2014 08:34 |
uranus posted:losing because of misclicks is the worse ughghg Just think about it as your opponents also make misclicks and gently caress up when they should have won so it evens out in the long run.
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o.m. 94 posted:Just think about it as your opponents also make misclicks and gently caress up when they should have won so it evens out in the long run. This goes for really dumb mistakes too, lot of improvement in go is just widening the definition of what a dumb mistake is and then trying your best not to make em anymore
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hey khel i saw you on batt's latest video. nice job getting the answer right
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uranus posted:hey khel i saw you on batt's latest video. nice job getting the answer right I just guessed at the answer, you can read in the comments what I originally thought, but then I remembered some weird second line approach/probe/invasion/whatever to a 4-4 stone and said the correct answer. It does get me to think about the fact that the invasion left miai for the 3-3 point and sliding out to the side.
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