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Saga posted:Much like certain posters in GBS 1.4, the fact that it's a word Clarkson would think is somehow amusing to use says a lot about him. They aren't subsidizing him, he's making BBC Worldwide barrels of money, and almost all the 14 million isn't from license fees at all, but his share of the profits that his show created. His actual pay from the BBC is supposedly "only" 1 million. That doesn't make him any less of an rear end in a top hat, but to paint him as a financial drain on the BBC is disingenuous. He's the golden goose, it just happens that geese can be loving assholes. They keep him around because his show is a gargantuan cash cow for BBC Worldwide. They know he's an old racist and don't care as long as long as it doesn't cause them more than transient PR blips. They can fire him but it would be a huge gamble, especially when you consider how all the attempts to duplicate the original show's success kind of turned into poo poo.
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And really? Some dude said something controversial on an outtake that ended up on the cutting room floor? STOP THE PRESSES! OLD WHITE DUDE SAYS SOMETHING POSSIBLY INTERPRETED AS RACIST, MAYBE!  gently caress that noise. The BBC will never fire Clarkson, beause they know they'll lose Hammond and May and the whole Top Gear formula to another network.
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Saga posted:Much like certain posters in GBS 1.4, the fact that it's a word Clarkson would think is somehow amusing to use says a lot about him. Jesus loving christ, get over yourself. If you don't want to hear racist, bigoted things, then fine, turn off the computer and unplug the phone. All making a fuss about racist words does is make the people who are actually racist keep their mouths shut. They'll still be racist, they'll still do racist things and think racist thoughts, talk racist poo poo with their racist friends, only now you won't know about it until some poor sod gets screwed over because good old Dicky here didn't like the colour of him.
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KozmoNaut posted:The BBC will never fire Clarkson, beause they know they'll lose Hammond and May and the whole Top Gear formula to another network. It would almost be worth it just for the ensuing cluster-gently caress. If they kept May and Hammond somehow, who do you replace Clarkson with that would cause the biggest  ?
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Measly Twerp posted:Jesus loving christ, get over yourself. If you don't want to hear racist, bigoted things, then fine, turn off the computer and unplug the phone. How many excuses can some of you possibly have for the same poo poo they keep doing time and time again? No, wait, I've got it 
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sean10mm posted:It would almost be worth it just for the ensuing cluster-gently caress. If they kept May and Hammond somehow, who do you replace Clarkson with that would cause the biggest Piers Morgan.
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Trabant posted:How many excuses can some of you possibly have for the same poo poo they keep doing time and time again? I don't think he is in this case, I think the larger point is in the grand scheme of fuckery is that it doesn't take away from our enjoyment of the show. Making racists stop talking about racism in public isn't going to make racism go away. That's not how it works. So if you want to stop racism on your TV, start somewhere else instead of picking the low hanging clarkson fruit.
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Morphix posted:I don't think he is in this case, I think the larger point is in the grand scheme of fuckery is that it doesn't take away from our enjoyment of the show. Making racists stop talking about racism in public isn't going to make racism go away. That's not how it works. So if you want to stop racism on your TV, start somewhere else instead of picking the low hanging clarkson fruit. No, shushing a racist into silence won't make anyone stop being racist, and I doubt anyone is expecting Clarkson's language to be battleground which will result in the End of Racism. But that's not the point, and I have a pretty strong suspicion everyone trying to sweep this under the rug knows it. Even if I don't necessarily care that a Person X is a racist shithead, allowing his/her language to be written off because "It's a joke" or "He's just old" is the worst loving reason. If we allow speech like that to propagate or be written off, it becomes acceptable. And it really, really isn't.
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Has he ever done anything racist aside from obscure slurs or not-for-broadcast stupid rhymes? I mean this doesn't seem like David Sterling levels of racism ("don't you associate with them black kinds now ya hear?" to his Black and Mexican wife), just some dude not considering the full ramifications of what he is saying even if it's meant in jest. This applies to the "slant" thing as well.
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In the HORRIBLY RACIST video clip, he says "Eenie-meenie-miney-mo, catch a humhum-hum-hum toe, if he hollers let him go". Yes, we all know the original lyrics to that rime, but only the most batshit insane power-idiot could get "friend of the family" from that. At best, he said "nhumhum". Listen to the clip, for crying out loud. This is insane.
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Trabant posted:No, shushing a racist into silence won't make anyone stop being racist, and I doubt anyone is expecting Clarkson's language to be battleground which will result in the End of Racism. But that's not the point, and I have a pretty strong suspicion everyone trying to sweep this under the rug knows it. Even if I don't necessarily care that a Person X is a racist shithead, allowing his/her language to be written off because "It's a joke" or "He's just old" is the worst loving reason. If we allow speech like that to propagate or be written off, it becomes acceptable. And it really, really isn't. There's a difference between repeating an old rhyme that contains a racist word, and literally being racist using racist words to intentionally cause offense. I'll now demonstrate. friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family I'm not racist, but maybe you think I am now! Maybe Jeremy Clarkson IS racist, but this scenario gives 0 context to prove/demonstrate that. Especially since it's couched in comedy. If you can find somewhere where he's actually said some equivalent of "race X is inferior to race Y" and it's very obvious he's not being ironic/funny, then ding ding ding we have a racist! No words mean anything without context/intent.
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OldPueblo posted:friend of the family somebody sue this guy!
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OldPueblo posted:There's a difference between repeating an old rhyme that contains a racist word, and literally being racist using racist words to intentionally cause offense. I'll now demonstrate. mumble mumble mumble Guess I am in the firing line too.
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OldPueblo posted:No words mean anything without context/intent. You must be the type to say "Well, I'm not offended by the word cracker so everyone should just relax."
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Trabant posted:You must be the type to say "Well, I'm not offended by the word cracker so everyone should just relax." Ya, exactly you dimwit. Without context a cracker is something you put some meat and cheese on and enjoy. Without context a black person calling a white person cracker might be viewed as offensive by whitey, but when viewed in context, how dare you have such thin skin. Oh no, they're reminding me of being a slave owner (cracker deriving from the crack of the masters whip) how dare they, my feelings are hurt boo hoo
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Trabant posted:You must be the type to say "Well, I'm not offended by the word cracker so everyone should just relax." Everyone should relax, unless they know for a fact that someone is specifically trying to insult/offend them intentionally. Even then, they can choose to just not care/ignore that person. Adult 101. If someone called me anything I'd skip right past whatever word they used and try to figure out why they are a big meany or is there really anything to worry about at all. Words are just tools to convey meanings/feelings/ideas. Jeremy Clarkson was not making a statement about niggers that fateful day. OldPueblo fucked around with this message at 16:41 on May 2, 2014 |
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May 2, 2014 16:38
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People who get offended over words. Ridiculous
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all y'all getting worked up like black folk stuck waitin' in the dole queue. 
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You guys are working very hard to excuse what is a really stupid and idiotic thing. I also don't like all the hemming and hawing that its all these TOO UPTIGHT folk who just can't have a laugh. Speaking as a person who loves top gear but also happens to be a minority I guess I'm just an uptight jerk for not laughing this off. Do I think Clarkson or the Top Gear team is insidiously racist and has some agenda? No. I love the show. Love the personalities. Do I think he should be fired? No. But I think its pretty pathetic of Clarkson. Especially because when this first hit he said the mirror is lying. Now he begs for forgiveness? Come on.
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May 2, 2014 19:25
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How about that mclaren p1 eh!
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How many times is the BBC going to have to apologize for this guy before it's no longer worth it to them? I wish he'd knock off this crap. I'd hate for my favorite TV show to get cancelled because a bumbling idiot thinks he's being clever. I really like Clarkson in the confines of Top Gear (aside from when he gets on a political soapbox) but I find most of his opinions outside of the show to be repugnant. Top Gear in it's current state only works on the BBC due to the unique way the BBC is funded. It wouldn't work on Channel 4, 5, or pretty much anything else because of advertiser pressure. Don't screw this up for me Clarkson!
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If there is no Jeremy Clarkson, there is no Top Gear. I seriously can't imagine the show without him. Seems like people are blowing this thing way out of proportion.
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I met Clarkson once when he was presenting a show, and he admitted that he hadn't written a script for it yet and was making most of it up as he went along on set. While I think he's more invested in TG these days, I see this incident as him trying that line with a mumbled racist slur in an "I'm now an old dinosaur and the world is different and better place than the one I grew up in" kind of way, realizing that it was still too racist, and moving on to a different approach. Unfortunately in this case, he didn't mumble indistinctly enough, and the cameras were rolling while he tried it out.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that while making a joke about two cars being indistinguishable, Clarkson tried making a second joke about how a very commonly used rhyme used to be really racist until it got whitewashed and now everyone pretends it never happened. Unfortunately mumbling can often sound like swearing even when it isn't being used to cover foul language (like that scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where people think Donald Duck is calling Daffy a "stubborn friend of the family") so he used an alternate take. Saying the BBC is subsidizing racism is like saying that Universal was subsidizing pornography just because the skinny-dipping lady at the beginning of Jaws wasn't fully obscured by darkness when they first developed the film.
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Cat Hatter posted:Saying the BBC is subsidizing racism is like saying that Universal was subsidizing pornography just because the skinny-dipping lady at the beginning of Jaws wasn't fully obscured by darkness when they first developed the film. [img-rescuers-nakedboobies.jpg.exe.pif.bmp]
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While Clarkson is less a tool and more a walking, talking sack of hammers, I don't think he's that stupid. Hopefully this will make him straighten his poo poo out so Top Gear can continue to be a show about cars and miserably failing challenges, without all the sighworthy oh-so-funny-to-someone-out-there jokes at the expense of foreigners or minorities. Or Clarkson gets booted, Top Gear tries to continue with Hammond, May and some banal replacement that nobody really connects with, the show starts to turn into James May's Educational Hour With Added Dicking Around, which doesn't appeal to the people who just want to see cars do silly things, and then it shuts down after two series.
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Manlab had such potential but turned out to be such vapid poo poo.
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The only acceptable alternative to the current Top Gear cast would be to just fire all three of them and hire Freiburger and Finnegan to just make Roadkill full time.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Man Lab made it to series 3 though I can't imagine it'd be very much improved by having Hammond on board. And if you've ever watched Brainiac, you'll know this is true.
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I think a show where James May explains voodoo poo poo like carburetors and automatic transmissions would be a fair trade if they canceled Top Gear. And a couple more seasons of Oz + James Go Places And Get Drunk, for good measure.
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Get James drunk on wine, then have him explain stuff like carburetors.
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May 2, 2014 23:07
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Saga posted:Much like certain posters in GBS 1.4, the fact that it's a word Clarkson would think is somehow amusing to use says a lot about him. Holy poo poo dude. It was from a take that was never going to be used in the first place. No one gives a poo poo if people say words besides whiny babies like you.
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Guys outing people out for racist remarks is all the rage now days!
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shut up you are all niggers with no jobs
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West SAAB Story posted:shut up you are all niggers with no jobs Well I mean you're half right but geez man.
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