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Bigass Moth posted:My favorite part is that Derek Carr is "smart" with a 23 wonderlic, but Teddy Bridgewater is merely "smart enough" with a 20 Wonderlic. No mention of Manziel's high score, but he is listed as stupid. I'm shocked there was no mention of Bortles' hot girlfriend helping his swagger or something else inconsequential. he was called stupid by someone that says 'ain't'
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:21 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 18:39 |
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can't wait for the Jameis Winston "is he smart" narrative next year. he scores on tests like this! BUT HE TALK LIKE DIS!
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:41 |
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No Butt Stuff posted:can't wait for the Jameis Winston "is he smart" narrative next year. I'm going to go ahead and assure you Winston is not the brightest crayon in the box.
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:43 |
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Bryce Petty will get overhyped next year because scouts will panic when they realize there's no comfortable safe white guy to project among the top 3 quarterbacks Then they can safely call all the non-white QBs risky and criticize their smile
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:44 |
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FizFashizzle posted:I'm going to go ahead and assure you Winston is not the brightest crayon in the box. I said that he sounded like an idiot when he won the Heisman, and people jumped down my throat telling me he got a 4.0 in high school and was a genius or some poo poo. I still think he's not real bright, but yeah. e: looks like he's carrying a 3.1 at FSU now, so that means nothing, since he doesn't even have to go to class to get that.
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:44 |
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No Butt Stuff posted:I said that he sounded like an idiot when he won the Heisman, and people jumped down my throat telling me he got a 4.0 in high school and was a genius or some poo poo. I'm worried about him carrying other things, not his GPA.
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:47 |
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He'd have to murder a hooker and get convicted in Tallahassee to not be drafted Number 1 next year.
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:48 |
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He will easily not go #1 because scouts will throw every flaw at him to try and get his stock to fall. then they'll say "wait until next year's draft when Brett Applefuck is eligible!!"
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:50 |
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Bonham posted:Teddy, is it true that none of your friends came to your birthday party? ...my mom made fruit cakes for parties, ok?!
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# ? May 2, 2014 16:52 |
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Quest For Glory II posted:He will easily not go #1 because scouts will throw every flaw at him to try and get his stock to fall. then they'll say "wait until next year's draft when Brett Applefuck is eligible!!" "An anonymous NFC scout said Winston's favorite pokemon is Snorlax. Said team is looking for 'more of a Jolteon' type player."
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# ? May 2, 2014 17:05 |
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Baylessing of the highest orderquote:I was right about Tim Tebow and I will be right on a much higher level about Johnny Manziel.
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# ? May 2, 2014 17:13 |
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Dri Archer is in really good shape and I want the Lions to draft him, discuss. Im pretty sure every non lineman/qb looks like that shirtless Dogg
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# ? May 2, 2014 17:19 |
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Plaster this on ESPN when he gets drafted Manziel has Tebow's rare intangibles heightened by rarer tangibles
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# ? May 2, 2014 17:25 |
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No Butt Stuff posted:He'd have to murder a hooker and get convicted in Tallahassee to not be drafted Number 1 next year.
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# ? May 2, 2014 18:07 |
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Yet another anonymous scout:quote:Bridgewater has the will to become a great quarterback. He’ll work hard, and he’ll do everything that is asked of him. He’ll never create a single problem for the franchise, being a good teammate and a model citizen. CAN THE DRAFT GET HERE PLEASE
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:11 |
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Um aside from Peyton being particularly smart, do any of the top 5 or top 10 NFL quarterbacks excel in a particular area?? Like the fastest, biggest and biggest-handed aren't even the best anyway
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:25 |
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I love how scouts will talk themselves out of proven guys and talk themselves into unproven guys. Josh Freeman comes to mind. He was nothing special in college but threw a nifty spiral so he's a first rounder for sure.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:27 |
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FizFashizzle posted:I'm going to go ahead and assure you Winston is not the brightest crayon in the box. You should know better, being the beneficiary of the corrupt laptop stealing dubious #1 overall pick yourself.
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Rap posted:Um aside from Peyton being particularly smart, do any of the top 5 or top 10 NFL quarterbacks excel in a particular area?? Like the fastest, biggest and biggest-handed aren't even the best anyway Not really. If you count really specific skillset things outside of just accuracy and decision making, Rodgers and Roethlisberger might be the best at selling play actions and pump fakes, but none of the top 5 or 10 guys are the best in the league at any physical attribute I don't think.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:43 |
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You don't even have to be the best physically to succeed at running back. Look at Frank Gore. Nothing about him says top back except for the part where he gets tackled a bunch of yards down the field further than he started all the time.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:46 |
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Zerilan posted:Not really. If you count really specific skillset things outside of just accuracy and decision making, Rodgers and Roethlisberger might be the best at selling play actions and pump fakes, but none of the top 5 or 10 guys are the best in the league at any physical attribute I don't think. Roethlisberger and Newton are easily 1 and 2 on the "most difficult to sack" power rankings. Its like trying to tackle a skyscraper.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:46 |
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I had a great reply but in the time it took to type it up, work blocked SA. Time to start job hunting I guess.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:49 |
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kiimo posted:I love how scouts will talk themselves out of proven guys and talk themselves into unproven guys. Josh Freeman comes to mind. He was nothing special in college but threw a nifty spiral so he's a first rounder for sure. I seem to remember scouts being pretty down on Freeman actually. I thought everyone was basically saying he was a likely 2nd round candidate, and it was a bit shocking when he got drafted in the 1st. Maybe I am confusing "scouts" with "goons" though.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:49 |
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Declan MacManus posted:This is 400% untrue. I don't know if you misunderstood my argument, but I don't even see how this is debatable. Here's a list of quarterbacks who were ranked in the top 35 of all high school prospects from 2006-2011 Jeff Driskel Phillip Sims Matt Barkley Garrett Gilbert Aaron Murray Terrelle Pryor Mike Glennon Kyle Parker Jimmy Clausen Ryan Mallett Tyrod Taylor John Brantley Aaron Corp Matthew Stafford Mitch Mustain Jevan Snead Tim Tebow One pretty drat good QB, and a bunch of scrubs and question marks.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:56 |
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Santheb posted:Roethlisberger and Newton are easily 1 and 2 on the "most difficult to sack" power rankings. Its like trying to tackle a skyscraper. Luck is up there in that discussion.
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# ? May 2, 2014 19:57 |
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Rap posted:Um aside from Peyton being particularly smart, do any of the top 5 or top 10 NFL quarterbacks excel in a particular area?? Like the fastest, biggest and biggest-handed aren't even the best anyway Lets see: Peyton: Smartest but definitely not the strongest arm at least not anymore. 6-5 230 Brady: Pretty loving average across the board except height but coming out he was skinny as hell: 6-4 211 (at combine) Rodgers: Great arm but small hands smart. 6-1 almost 6-2 223 (at combine) Brees: above average arm, smart enough, no standout measurables 6-0 213 (at combine) Rivers: average arm, smart 6-5 229 (at combine) Romo: Average, maybe below average arm, small hands. 6-2 230 (at combine) Ryan: Weak arm, smart 6-5 228 (at combine) average hands Bridgewater: Romo/Ryan level arm, average hands, smart, 6-2 214 (at combine) Yea its a complete loving crapshoot. Tall is the main thing, but it seems to be just be 6-0 or taller. I actually found this article where someone put their stats, wonderlics, broad jump, 40, etc, up against other QBs to see where they stand out. Its hilarious because there are a bunch of good QBs who aren't dominant in any one area but a lot of the QBs that are all around impressive have done little to nothing outside of Andrew Luck. http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-representation-of-nfl-quarterbacks/
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HappyHelmet posted:I seem to remember scouts being pretty down on Freeman actually. I thought everyone was basically saying he was a likely 2nd round candidate, and it was a bit shocking when he got drafted in the 1st. Maybe I am confusing "scouts" with "goons" though. I can't remember if it was Kiper or Mayock or someone else but some big draft guy went bezerk over Freeman and called him the best QB of that draft. I saw him play at K-State a bunch for one reason or another and I was like...really?
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Santheb posted:Roethlisberger and Newton are easily 1 and 2 on the "most difficult to sack" power rankings. Its like trying to tackle a skyscraper. You are right! and so is Volkerball. This might not quantify "Missed Sacks" but it does have a graph for QBs that forced the most broken tackles! code:
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:06 |
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Volkerball posted:I don't know if you misunderstood my argument, but I don't even see how this is debatable. Here's a list of quarterbacks who were ranked in the top 35 of all high school prospects from 2006-2011 Put Aaron Murray, a quarterback in this years draft, on the list but not Cam Newton, ranked 28 nationally in 2007 aight
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:08 |
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Using overall rankings instead of QB rankings is really dumb too.
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:11 |
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Alouicious posted:Put Aaron Murray, a quarterback in this years draft, on the list but not Cam Newton, ranked 28 nationally in 2007 He was 58th here http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2007/order/true
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:13 |
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Groucho Marxist posted:Using overall rankings instead of QB rankings is really dumb too. Not for the argument I was making, which is that aside from like Carson Palmer and John Elway, there's not much overlap between top high school prospects and great NFL qb's. Being an NFL caliber quarterback takes a lot of abilities that haven't even begun to show at 18, so there's tons of guys who slip through the cracks and only begin to flash their potential in college.
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:16 |
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laffo you're using ESPN recruiting as a base, no wonder
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:16 |
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Ok, what's the better one that had Wilson, Kaep, Luck, and Foles in the top 5?
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:21 |
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kiimo posted:I can't remember if it was Kiper or Mayock or someone else but some big draft guy went bezerk over Freeman and called him the best QB of that draft. I saw him play at K-State a bunch for one reason or another and I was like...really? I was listening to a Phil Sims radio interview the other night and he's really high on Derek Carr and Tom Savage. There really is no accounting for what scouts and talent evaluators will say.
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:23 |
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You realize that high school rankings are trying to evaluate and predict success in the college game though right, not the pro game? Tim Tebow was the #1 QB and maybe #1 overall recruit for a reason, it turns out he was really loving good in college. The offenses and such are different in college, which is why you see QB's divided into Dual Threat vs. Pro-style, with the Dual Threat usually more sought after so you can get thing like Johnny Football making plays with his legs and winning games when he needs to. Really, the only position one could reliably even try to attempt a comparison would be RB.
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:49 |
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The Tom Savage buzz is like the ultimate "talk yourself into it" scouting Even more smokescreens, which I'm starting to think ESPN is fabricating just for eyeballs quote:ESPN's Chris Mortensen stated on NFL Insiders that the Rams' interest in Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel is "genuine."
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:51 |
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I want to see Manziel vs the NFC West.
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# ? May 2, 2014 20:53 |
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Must feel really good to be an Oklahoma guy like Bradford and read that about Texas Hero Johnny Football.
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No Butt Stuff posted:can't wait for the Jameis Winston "is he smart" narrative next year. I think it's safe to question the intelligence of a sure fire top 5 draft pick when they get cited for stealing crab legs.
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