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I rewatched McHale's speech, and then Colbert, followed by Meyers', Kimmel's, and Conan's. Then McHale's one more time. I think Joel's had an edge that none of those had, and I liked it. It wasn't polite, it was him doing the Soup but for Washington DC and I thought that was great. I'm not even a huge McHale fan, I don't have cable and I only watched the first three seasons of Community before getting bored as hell. It just had an honesty to it, it didn't feel neutered.
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Nessus posted:The most I'd want is them to make very sure that there isn't a gold fringe on the courtroom's flag when they get hauled in. Two flags next to each other, one with fringe and one without. Every day, swap which one is closer to the judge.
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May 5, 2014 01:17
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OwlBot 2000 posted:No, but that's what conservatives think will happen. They believe it is second only to 9/11 in significance and will be shocked and utterly lost when they realize that, once again, nobody cares. I know DnD gets accused of being an echo chamber but the amount of talking point coordination between Fox, Drudge and right-wing radio is both impressive and hilarious, but it gives people the ability to know what Republicans will say before they even open their mouths. Considering the strategy they've backed themselves into, I don't think hyping Benghazi is a bad play at the moment, even if it is a cynical and short-term play. It's one of those stories you can just make motions at and people's minds fill in the blanks with what they want to think happened. Not something you'd want to pull out during a presidential debate (lol Romney), but a decent enough plan for a turn-out based midterm election considering what they have to work with right now.
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May 5, 2014 01:17
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It's the same thing they did with Clinton: keep throwing poo poo until something sticks. The Obama Administration has been remarkably clean so coming up with scandals has been surprisingly difficult. Since Obama scandals have to do double duty serving as both red meat and dog whistles (similar, but slightly different concepts) the absence of them has been all the more frustrating. But Benghazi is a perfect fusion of all the right wing talking points. You've got dead Americans, a nice Carter comparison, Muslims, weak on foreign policy, Africa . . . there is just so much there. The fact that there is no "there there" is simply unbelievable given that all the other pieces are there. So just keep on beating that drum! But while Benghazi is the most recent one, it's not like it is novel. ACORN and Fast & Furious were the big talking points before it. Equally vacuous but served their target demographics well.
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May 5, 2014 01:20
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeaaaahhh not gonna happen, though. Well, until Obama and Hillary decide to invade Libya with 1/3 of the force the military recommends on completely false pretenses and then keep 100,000+ U.S. soldiers there for a loving decade spending multiple trillions of dollars only to crawl home having accomplished nothing whatsoever except killing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of innocent people, killing 4000+ Americans, maiming and mutilating tens of thousands more Americans, bankrupting the loving country, and squandering any and all goodwill and moral authority the United States could ever claim to have that's going to be a pretty easy claim to prove. Just in case anyone forgot what a horrendous shitshow that whole thing was with the current "Bush is rehabilitated!" talking point. How long do you think it will take before they start claiming Iraq was the Democrats' fault?
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May 5, 2014 01:27
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My next band will be called "Ben Ghazi and the Dog Whistles."
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May 5, 2014 01:28
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JonathonSpectre posted:How long do you think it will take before they start claiming Iraq was the Democrats' fault? Since like 1998?
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May 5, 2014 01:29
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeaaaahhh not gonna happen, though.  ) we helped institute a regime change in Libya with zero American troops sent in, zero American lives lost, and in the space of eight months. The comparison of Libya to Iraq and Afghanistan writes itself, and foreign policy is the one thing Republicans like to pretend they're still better than the Democrats on, and Libya completely destroys that delusion.So they have to flog Benghazi, because otherwise Libya becomes another success* under Obama where Bush failed, and they can't have that. *I realize that Libya has had quite a few problems rebuilding so calling it a "success" is a slight stretch, but that's not a very good attack angle for Republicans either given that: 1. It was a loving civil war; painful rebuilding is basically the guaranteed outcome no matter what. 2. We're still loving rebuilding Afghanistan, and it's probably going to fall apart when we leave anyway. 3. Iraq, again. 4. The Libyans asked for our (and NATO's) help, we didn't just go in half-cocked with no plan afterward. fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:45 on May 5, 2014 |
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May 5, 2014 01:30
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I really want to see someone on Fox ask "which was worse, Benghazi or Iraq?" I know it'll never happen because they wouldn't even view Iraq as mistake.
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May 5, 2014 01:40
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Samurai Sanders posted:What's their game plan exactly? Keep up this idiotic speculation all the way until the election or what? Yes. Keep in mind that Ken Starr was made a special prosecutor because of the whole Whitewater thing and eventually turned up the scandal that Clinton lied about while under oath, leading to his impeachment.
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May 5, 2014 01:49
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The Ape of Naples posted:I really want to see someone on Fox ask "which was worse, Benghazi or Iraq?" It would be interesting for someone with way too much time on their hands to compare the amount of time Fox has spend covering Benghazi to, say, the myth of Iraqi WMDs.
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May 5, 2014 01:54
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If they dredge up 10 'scandals' in the like of Benghazi and the IRS bullshit they get a free real one.
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May 5, 2014 01:57
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I reeeeeeally want to know what is going on in Wolf Blitzer's head when McHale is riffing on CNN. Such a great protracted camera shot of Wolf during the whole thing.
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May 5, 2014 02:24
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Boon posted:I reeeeeeally want to know what is going on in Wolf Blitzer's head when McHale is riffing on CNN. Such a great protracted camera shot of Wolf during the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWTgvRGwzWg
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May 5, 2014 02:35
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"Wow, it's like I'm famous!"
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May 5, 2014 02:43
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comes along bort posted:In which Jane Harman greatly upsets Brit Hume by accurately placing #BENGHAZI on the right wing conspiracy continuum: Brit Hume's voice sounds uncannily similar to Billy West's Nixon impression.
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:Brit Hume's voice sounds uncannily similar to Billy West's Nixon impression. What happened? I could have sworn that Brit Hume was less partisan hack and more straight journalist. Was I wrong this entire time or did he recently switch to the hack side?
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May 5, 2014 03:29
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Good Citizen posted:Not something you'd want to pull out during a presidential debate (lol Romney), but a decent enough plan for a turn-out based midterm election considering what they have to work with right now. It is literally all they have right now so that's what they're going all-in on. It's hilarious because the slowly shrinking nutjob base is the only group of people that believes it or gives a poo poo. And if Obama manages to be successful with raising the minimum wage it won't matter if there really is something to Benghazi (and yes I know there isn't), and if Hillary runs it will be a complete obliteration of any Republican opponent.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:What happened? I could have sworn that Brit Hume was less partisan hack and more straight journalist. Was I wrong this entire time or did he recently switch to the hack side? Hasn't he always reserved the right to toe the party line when it's an all hands on deck talking point? 75% real journalist still looks great by comparison to, say, The Five.
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May 5, 2014 04:21
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Yeah I think it's more like Brit Hume likes his job and doesn't want to lose it.
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Boon posted:I reeeeeeally want to know what is going on in Wolf Blitzer's head when McHale is riffing on CNN. Such a great protracted camera shot of Wolf during the whole thing. Knowing him? Very little. 
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:What happened? I could have sworn that Brit Hume was less partisan hack and more straight journalist. Was I wrong this entire time or did he recently switch to the hack side? Staying a good journalist while working at a place like Fox is a lot like staying a virgin while working at the Bunny Ranch: theoretically possible, but not exactly part of the job description. The place you work shifts your worldview. Hume's surrounded by propaganda 24/7 so of course what he thinks is "reasonable" is going to reflect that. It's yet more Bubble Effect.
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Hume is as bad as most of the rest of them. Sometimes Chris Wallace or Shep Smith will decide to remember they are human for a few minutes.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Knowing him? Very little. Is Wolf Blitzer actually a real name? It just seems so... perfect.
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skaboomizzy posted:Hume is as bad as most of the rest of them. Sometimes Chris Wallace or Shep Smith will decide to remember they are human for a few minutes.
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DemeaninDemon posted:If they dredge up 10 'scandals' in the like of Benghazi and the IRS bullshit they get a free real one. I guess the NSA counts, so they have proof of concept, but it's not one the GOP leadership wants to run on. Healthcare.gov also counts, but has been largely fixed and replaced with the 8 million signed up talking point. Rogue0071 fucked around with this message at 06:14 on May 5, 2014 |
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skaboomizzy posted:Hume is as bad as most of the rest of them. Sometimes Chris Wallace or Shep Smith will decide to remember they are human for a few minutes. There's a reason you don't see shep around as much. He's said some stuff that sounds like it didn't come from the mouth of a withered dracolich, which makes arch Dracolich, Ailes, shudder in his coffin.
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Rexicon1 posted:There's a reason you don't see shep around as much. He's said some stuff that sounds like it didn't come from the mouth of a withered dracolich, which makes arch Dracolich, Ailes, shudder in his coffin.
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Two Finger posted:Is Wolf Blitzer actually a real name? It just seems so... perfect. It's no Howitzer Explosionguy, that's for sure.
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JT Jag posted:You don't see Shep around as much because he reportedly wanted to come out as gay and, shockingly, Fox News brass really didn't like that. I am shocked, shocked that they would even consider something like that.
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May 5, 2014 12:40
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Shbobdb posted:But Benghazi is a perfect fusion of all the right wing talking points. You've got dead Americans, a nice Carter comparison, Muslims, weak on foreign policy, Africa . . . there is just so much there. The fact that there is no "there there" is simply unbelievable given that all the other pieces are there. So just keep on beating that drum! This is a good point, and worth keeping in mind when conservatives insist that there just has to be something going on with Benghazi. The thing is, it isn't actually very unreasonable IF one already believes that Obama is a secret Muslim/Muslim sympathizer, that Obama in particular and Democrats in general (because Carter) are weak on defense because they don't care about the lives of American soldiers. If these things were straightforwardly true, Benghazi would seem quite fishy. For example, if Clive Bundy and his buddies attacked some government facility and Fox News instead initially attributed the attack to, I donno, illegal immigrant youth playing the knockout game, we might suspect something was going on that at least starts to shade into a media conspiracy/coverup, and it would probably be pretty hard to shake that impression.
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JT Jag posted:You don't see Shep around as much because he reportedly wanted to come out as gay and, shockingly, Fox News brass really didn't like that. My first two thoughts when reading that was: 1. Anderson Cooper was less obvious. 2. I bet there's Shep/Cooper fiction out there Stupid internet has ruined my mind.
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Oh man, this is a hilarious thing to wake up to on a Monday: Bloomberg apoloxplaining Toyota moving to Texas. The loving 3rd line mentions Texas' "cheap suburban housing and good public schools". Later in the article, the public schools are described as "excellent". The article name is Toyota moved to Texas for traditions not taxes. This is a joke, right?
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I think conservatives are hammering Benghazi because it's one of the few foreign relations failures that they believe Obama/the dems had options in. They can hammer Obama on Syria and the red line but they know Americans still have war fatigue so dems would just respond with "Well what did you want us to do? Put boots on the ground?" And that basically ends that conversation, even though it legitimately shouldn't especially given the context of the Russia/Ukraine dance. In Benghazi, American lives were lost essentially due to gov't incompetence coupled with CIA dealings we didn't want disclosed (this is my brief understanding of the issue). It, like the 2008 financial crisis, is both no one's fault and everyone's fault. The ensuing "cover-up"/fishing for explanations, in the context of the IRS scandal, seems to start putting dots out there conveniently aligned for government shadow doings. The problem is that the GOP seems to be getting some response and therefore is beating a dead horse until their base gets tired of it, but there are many other decent criticisms of Obama's foreign policy... Namely Russia/Europe and his pivot to Asia which boils down to "hey man mind if we build a base here? Cool thx". Obama has also been strangely silent/reluctant to mention what's going on in Africa, specifically Nigeria and the CAR. This administration has focused on diplomacy which is all well and good until half of your allies realize you're spying on them and your neutral/enemy states realize you won't actually do anything to stop their disputes/landgrabs with neighbors. The Economist had a decent article on the decline of America's projected hard power in the world related to these issues. I'm new to the thread so I apologize if I'm just repeating dribble but thought I might pitch my $0.02. I think Benghazi is a legitimate talking point if you include context and foreign events that have happened since.
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btw you missed a golden opportunity to coin the term 'taxplaining'
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Has this New York Magazine article been posted here yet, about Lara Logan's incredible gently caress-up?
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Not content to just castrate Washington Fat Cats, conservative lt. colonel farm mom and now apparently some biker's old lady Joni Ernst promises to shoot Obamacare right in its stupid face if elected senator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3mG9fNOZp4
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Amergin posted:I think conservatives are hammering Benghazi because it's one of the few foreign relations failures that they believe Obama/the dems had options in. You can't say that including context makes it a talking point when you ignore the context of what's happened since. There has been investigation after investigation that has basically said that, at most, the buck stops at the State Department and not Obama's administration. Committee after committee has come back with nothing that Obama could have done differently and that's pissing off Republicans. As I understand it, the only reason that this new email is even a thing is that Republicans didn't request this particular dude's emails, the administration didn't release it, it got out, and Issa and crew are now screaming cover-up because Obama's been slow-playing their three ring circus. Live were lost, and it's tragic, but aside from some questionable actions at the State Department when an attack wasn't expected, there's nothing to see.
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