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Aren't they both HTTP servers that conform to the Servlet spec that all the web frameworks use? Why does it matter which one you use?
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Suspicious Dish posted:What is JBoss? I never figured that one out. I thought it was just a server or something, and then one day in the hall I ran into the lead UI designer for JBoss. So I'm just confused about what it is. jboss AS is/was a j2ee implementation and app server, like websphere or weblogic.
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May 5, 2014 04:43
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OK. Why does it have a UI that needs designing
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:i'm trying to convince my boss to replace tomcat with glassfish because i find myself pulling more and more j2ee ri libs into my projects and it seems a little silly to keep going down the path of essentially building our own j2ee app server instead of just using one off the shelf glassfish is probably dead. oracle owns three or four j2ee implementations, so gf has never been stategic the way it was for sun. glassfish support contracts are no longer sold. the open source project is likely to go under. edit: bundling random j2ee libs fir use w/ tomcat or your own jetty aint the worst thing you could do Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 04:50 on May 5, 2014 |
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May 5, 2014 04:45
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Suspicious Dish posted:OK. Why does it have a UI that needs designing admin panels
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May 5, 2014 04:46
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What do you admin in the panel? It's just an HTTP server, right?
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Suspicious Dish posted:Aren't they both HTTP servers that conform to the Servlet spec that all the web frameworks use? Why does it matter which one you use? yes. every app server complies with the servlet spec, but they add more stuff. ferinstance, clustering and load balancing. w/ tomcat, a dumb serlet container, i can go from a WAR file to a working listener on 8080. w/ websphere, i can upload a WAR and have WS configure a load blanced HA pool of listeners (you probably dont really need or want any of this)
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May 5, 2014 04:49
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Bloody posted:i never really "got" j2ee like what was that all about j2ee is a collection of JSRs. JSRs are like RFCs for java. ex: HttpServlets are defined in a JSR. So a J2ee server is a server that contains implementations of every JSR specified by that j2ee version. No one anywhere on the planet has ever needed every jsr in j2ee. ever. jboss server (and websphere, etc...) is a j2ee implementation (meaning it has implementations of all those jsrs). the first thing you learn about jboss is that the standard configuration should never be used and you should strip out all the components you aren't using. the second thing you learn is to not use jboss. tomcat and jetty are both servlet containers. servlet containers are a subset of j2ee and contain only what is needed to host servlets. you can pack a war and deploy it to the container and it will unpack and deploy and run it. it makes your servlet/war independent of the underlying container. both tomcat and jetty have simple standalone packages and both can be embedded into a larger application (ex: jboss uses tomcat). pretty much everyone uses servlet containers and probably 90% of people using jboss are using it from the built in tomcat instance and some included-by-default libs that the devs don't realize belong in their application and not the runtime. So use tomcat or jetty and either grab the packages from the official webzones or use maven to get the embedded instances automatically. don't ever use a tomcat from a package manager cause those packages are always hosed up by people who don't know what the gently caress they're doing.
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Shaggar posted:jboss server (and websphere, etc...) is a j2ee implementation (meaning it has implementations of all those jsrs). the first thing you learn about jboss is that the standard configuration should never be used and you should strip out all the components you aren't using. the second thing you learn is to not use jboss. shaggar was right
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May 5, 2014 04:59
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who cares, heil hitler, smoke weed every day
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May 5, 2014 05:43
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Mr Dog posted:Which of these is clearer? x = Dictionary(sort_ascending=True, case_insensitive=True) posting from two weeks ago
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Shaggar posted:j2ee is a collection of JSRs. JSRs are like RFCs for java. ex: HttpServlets are defined in a JSR. So a J2ee server is a server that contains implementations of every JSR specified by that j2ee version. No one anywhere on the planet has ever needed every jsr in j2ee. ever. write once, run anywhere lol
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May 5, 2014 10:32
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write once, run away
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Soricidus posted:write once, run away
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Damiya posted:But how do I optimize a play framework app running on heroku which only has 1 gig of memory. OTOH: Heroku offers ephemeral instances (they get rebooted every 24h or so?) and you use many of them. This is more or less cool for the stateless web tier part of things, and I'm kind of amazed people need multiple gigabytes of memory for that. That all depends on how many requests a second and the kind of work you expect to do on each instance I guess.
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Damiya posted:But how do I optimize a play framework app running on heroku which only has 1 gig of memory. kinda wondering what you need 1gb for, luxury
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Rails people used to require like 500mb for one or two requests at a time and it made me angry, I'm just hoping Play is kind of nicer than this.
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"platform as a service" is the new name for "shared hosting", right?
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Zombywuf posted:write once, run anywhere you have to try really, really hard to write platform specific java
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May 5, 2014 14:24
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Suspicious Dish posted:"platform as a service" is the new name for "shared hosting", right? no. shared hosting is "heres a vm have fun janitoring it." paas is "heres an application server, deploy ur app on it and don't worry about whats underneath it"
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May 5, 2014 14:25
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MononcQc posted:OTOH: Heroku offers ephemeral instances (they get rebooted every 24h or so?) and you use many of them. This is more or less cool for the stateless web tier part of things, and I'm kind of amazed people need multiple gigabytes of memory for that. That all depends on how many requests a second and the kind of work you expect to do on each instance I guess. lol @ heroku
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May 5, 2014 14:26
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I thought Heroku was a PaaS.
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heroku is a bad paas cause it tries to run every platform at once with the worlds worst load balancing system ever imagined. or atleast that was the case a year or so ago. if you want a real paas use azure or elastic beanstalk
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But don't you get full VMs on Azure / Heroku? I didn't think they had an app server.
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Soricidus posted:write once, run away sometimes i miss consulting
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A bpmPaaS is a cloud-based platform to build, run, and manage business process applications that automate workflows and business processes within and across organizations. This platform can run on a public or private cloud. Mobile PaaS is a set of services designed to simplify and accelerate development of enterprise applications that must support mobile device clients, like push notification, data encryption, and data synchronization.
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May 5, 2014 14:37
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Good to see that data encryption is a mobile-only feature.
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bpmPaaS is the most enterprise thing I've heard in all 20 years of my existence.
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Suspicious Dish posted:But don't you get full VMs on Azure / Heroku? I didn't think they had an app server. azure and amazon provide everything. base vms, base vms with preconfigured popular app servers like tomcat, and platform as a service containers.
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heroku was a gross as hell mess last I saw but idk, maybe they've become untraded or maybe the retardation was limited to their ruby stuff
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Ah, so they're both an IaaS and a PaaS. Is the app server on Azure / Heroku custom-developed? What kinds of apps does it support? Is there a standard protocol for communication between apps and their app servers?
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Shaggar posted:heroku was a gross as hell mess last I saw but idk, maybe they've become untraded or maybe the retardation was limited to their ruby stuff shaggar... wrote ruby??
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on azure its a custom .net container. you install some templates in vs for each component type that can run in the container and then you can also run the code locally in a local instance of the container. it works pretty easy. then you can just deploy it right to azure when ur ready. the components are wrappers around traditional .net projects like mvc web app projects or webapi web service projects, but then there are also azure specific projects that let you do stuff like data persistence or whatever. for elastic beanstalk they do kind of the same thing for tomcat I guess. I've only ever read about it, never used it.
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coffeetable posted:shaggar... wrote ruby?? lol no. I read the thread about how terrible rapegenius's ruby performance was on heroku that uncovered how incredibly awful their hosting system was.
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Shaggar posted:rapegenius Get out.
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Suspicious Dish posted:bpmPaaS is the most enterprise thing I've heard in all 20 years of my existence. I hope Red Hat makes money off of enterprise OpenShift, because poo poo like this legitimately scares people away from OpenShift Online.
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Shaggar posted:lol no. I read the thread about how terrible rapegenius's ruby performance was on heroku that uncovered how incredibly awful their hosting system was. It's cool that heroku hosed up their load balancing specifically to accommodate nodejs
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Suspicious Dish posted:bpmPaaS is the most enterprise thing I've heard in all 20 years of my existence. if the bpm is business process management then yeah
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more like dICK posted:I hope Red Hat makes money off of enterprise OpenShift, because poo poo like this legitimately scares people away from OpenShift Online. We have a product called CloudForms. What do you think it does?
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i use azures paas and it suits my needs very well. super easy to use. i right-click an mvc project in vs and hit deploy to azure or w/e and now my site is at goatfartbutt.azurewebsites.net. if i feel like putting in another 30 seconds of effort, now its at mydomain.mobi
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