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^^ holy poo poo I did not know that. I just knew about Matt Fraction not her. Baron Bifford posted:I've started reading Avengers: The Initiative and I hate it. It pisses on my ideal of what superheroes represent. Becoming a superhero should be a freely-made choice that is rare, bizarre and not entirely sensible. Here we have the government trying to mass-produce superheroes like sausages by press-ganging children, some of whom have no interest in being either a hero or a villain. Cloud 9 is a case in point. They literally have a nazi doctor working for them. It was never really seen as good.
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Wanderer posted:She's an alcoholic too. Fraction did a storyline with Tony relapsing. What's to stop KSD doing a relapse story? Relapse is a part of recovery.
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May 5, 2014 22:35
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Carol gets space drunk with the Guardians, wakes up next to Rocket. "Well, at least it wasn't Simon again."
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May 5, 2014 22:39
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Sheesh, first Tony, then Carol and now Flash...the Guardians are basically Space-A.A. huh? Who are the Avengers sending up next? Sally Floyd?
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May 6, 2014 00:16
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Kaleidoscope posted:Sheesh, first Tony, then Carol and now Flash...the Guardians are basically Space-A.A. huh? Who are the Avengers sending up next? Sally Floyd? "You were brought to space as a child in the 80s Peter Quill! You're almost as irreverent as Cap! Have you watched a single episode of Duck Dynasty!?"
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May 6, 2014 00:26
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I just saw a cover of Cyclops and X-23 kissing. Oh my God I cannot tell you how fitting that is and I hope they end up an item.
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May 6, 2014 03:22
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Baron Bifford posted:I've started reading Avengers: The Initiative and I hate it. It pisses on my ideal of what superheroes represent. Becoming a superhero should be a freely-made choice that is rare, bizarre and not entirely sensible. Here we have the government trying to mass-produce superheroes like sausages by press-ganging children, some of whom have no interest in being either a hero or a villain. Cloud 9 is a case in point. I have no idea why you'd pick up that stain on comics history. The butterball issue is pretty good, but it doesn't even come close to justifying the series' existence.
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May 6, 2014 03:28
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Gatts posted:I just saw a cover of Cyclops and X-23 kissing. Oh my God I cannot tell you how fitting that is and I hope they end up an item. How old is X-23?
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May 6, 2014 03:28
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Gatts posted:I just saw a cover of Cyclops and X-23 kissing. Oh my God I cannot tell you how fitting that is and I hope they end up an item. Greg Rucka took Cyclops away from Bendis before more could happen.
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May 6, 2014 03:33
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Greg Rucka took Cyclops away from Bendis before more could happen. Give Greg Rucka a medal.
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May 6, 2014 03:38
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hope and vaseline posted:How old is X-23? She better be old enough. I want Wolverine to walk in one day and see Cyclops macking on X-23...I just...cannot fathom what'd go through his head. Or young Jean and young Cyclops. Maybe have Spider-man walk in randomly, shrug his shoulders, and say "Clones, eh."
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May 6, 2014 03:38
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hope and vaseline posted:How old is X-23? I think she actually aged at a normal rate. She's 16-17.
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May 6, 2014 03:41
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It should be noted it was Young Cyclops doing the kiss in the cover, which just makes it slightly less strange. I like to imagine Marvel running, like, a daycare and wanting Rucka's parents to let them stay with them, so they go "Okay, you'll get to play with any toy you want, what do you wanna play with?" and he points at Bendis pressing Young Cyclops and X-23 together "I wanna get Young Cyclops! And his dad!" and Marvel just runs to Bendis and yanks the toy away from him. Then Soule finishes playing with his army of toys and goes wait for DC to pick him up.
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May 6, 2014 03:44
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Is Soule good? I haven't read anything by him. I also bought the $75 Infinity collection and it rules. Also has the Surfer comics in there.
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May 6, 2014 03:45
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Rhyno posted:I think she actually aged at a normal rate. She's 16-17. Shouldn't she be in her 20s if she aged at a normal rate?
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May 6, 2014 03:48
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Gatts posted:Is Soule good? I haven't read anything by him. His She-Hulk is a lot of fun.
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May 6, 2014 03:48
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Lurdiak posted:Shouldn't she be in her 20s if she aged at a normal rate? This is Marvel time we're talking about.
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Gatts posted:Is Soule good? I haven't read anything by him. He made Thunderbolts and Red Lantern Corps amazing.
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May 6, 2014 03:50
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Lurdiak posted:I have no idea why you'd pick up that stain on comics history. The butterball issue is pretty good, but it doesn't even come close to justifying the series' existence.
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May 6, 2014 03:57
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She's got the edit:wow that sounded way worse
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May 6, 2014 03:59
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Baron Bifford posted:I was rereading Civil War, which I still think is one of the best things to happen to comic books. Well, you just read the best counter-argument to that point of view.
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May 6, 2014 04:03
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Lurdiak posted:Give Greg Rucka a medal. Young Scott and X-23 is great, man. And it'll still be a thing when Scott gets back from space. I hope that's what kills Wolverine. He just gets a heart attack when he hears they hooked up or something.
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May 6, 2014 04:15
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Codependent Poster posted:Young Scott and X-23 is great, man. And it'll still be a thing when Scott gets back from space. See, my angle here is that I hate Cyclops and like X-23, and think it's super creepy to hook them up, especially since it flies in the face of previous X-23 characterization, and I think it's just more of Bendis being kinda skeevy with some of his pet female characters.
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May 6, 2014 04:22
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Lurdiak posted:especially since it flies in the face of previous X-23 characterization, and I think it's just more of Bendis being kinda skeevy with some of his pet female characters.
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May 6, 2014 04:25
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Lurdiak posted:See, my angle here is that I hate Cyclops and like X-23, and think it's super creepy to hook them up, especially since it flies in the face of previous X-23 characterization, and I think it's just more of Bendis being kinda skeevy with some of his pet female characters. Why is it creepy? If it was old Scott, yeah. But you hate Cyclops so I don't like you very much anyway. 
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May 6, 2014 04:26
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Lurdiak posted:I have no idea why you'd pick up that stain on comics history. The butterball issue is pretty good, but it doesn't even come close to justifying the series' existence. I literally bought those trades for Taskmaster and Antman. The rest of it is pretty meh, but I would have totally bought a buddy comedy with those two.
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May 6, 2014 04:27
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Codependent Poster posted:Why is it creepy? If it was old Scott, yeah. You probably don't like many people very much then. I mean, I'm giving Rucka a chance, but he'll need to do miracles to get me to like Scott. (though opening with Flyclops in Space is a good way to convince me)
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May 6, 2014 04:28
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Codependent Poster posted:Why is it creepy? If it was old Scott, yeah. Yeah how could anybody hate a character that's schtick is them going through a perpetual midlife crisis? gently caress YOU PROFESSOR DAD I'M MY OWN MAN! I WEAR BIG-BOY PANTS AND AM MAGNETO ULTRA LIGHT NOW!
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May 6, 2014 04:31
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Codependent Poster posted:Why is it creepy? If it was old Scott, yeah. To be honest having a character from another time hooking up with a present day character is always creepy. Plus its just a cheap (and kind of boring) way to instill drama.
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May 6, 2014 04:36
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If I had a science teacher who's values oppose my own in every way and who tried to take over the world violently and I swore to kill their significant other if I saw them again because of their heinous actions, do you not see how it would be out of character for me to hook up with their younger self? This is a strained analogy but comics are very stupid, especially this time-displaced X-men poo poo. Anyway, Greg Rucka solved the problem, and hopefully Bendis gets distracted by a shiny thing before he can get back to that "romance".
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May 6, 2014 04:43
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be honest having a character from another time hooking up with a present day character is always creepy. Yeah, cuz they have to go back and no way something creepy like that stays ("ah, we're back to the past, just gotta wait a while for the love of my life to be born!") Though i'm amused by the idea of Young Scott marrying X-23 in the present. A double wedding with present Scott marrying Emma Frost. And Cable has to stop a wedding or cease existing, but he doesn't know which.
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May 6, 2014 05:10
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Shawn posted:Fraction did a storyline with Tony relapsing. What's to stop KSD doing a relapse story? Relapse is a part of recovery. Not always. Also when Tony relapse it was him giving up something that is worth the most to him. Saying relapsing is part of everyone's recovery is dangrous.
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May 6, 2014 05:16
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Despite the Cyclops/X-23 cover, they never even really get close. Although X-23 is all mopey about him leaving anyway.
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May 6, 2014 05:35
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At least she's away from the whole Avengers Undercover/Arena thing. Not that I enjoy her character, but no character should have to be put through that. 
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I used to hate the character and saw her as the ultimate cynical attempt to draw in dumb teenage readers (Wolverine but as a hot teen girl! with angst!!), but Marjorie Liu did a good job of making her three-dimensional and interesting in her third solo series.
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bobkatt013 posted:Not always. Also when Tony relapse it was him giving up something that is worth the most to him. Saying relapsing is part of everyone's recovery is dangrous. Yeah, I think Fraction is the only writer I've seen who's used Tony's recovery as something he's proud of and fighting for, as opposed to just some mania that comes over him every so often.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Yeah, I think Fraction is the only writer I've seen who's used Tony's recovery as something he's proud of and fighting for, as opposed to just some mania that comes over him every so often.
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May 6, 2014 06:06
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bobkatt013 posted:Not always. Also when Tony relapse it was him giving up something that is worth the most to him. Saying relapsing is part of everyone's recovery is dangrous. If we're fighting straw-men pretending like relapse doesn't exist is a dangerous thing. Relapse is a thing that happens to most addicts to the point of almost all at one time or another in their recovery. Substance Abuse Counselor's are taught to minimize the stigma attached to relapse and normalize it. To the point that it IS taught in treatment that relapse is a part of recovery, it's in the manuals, I didn't coin that cute phrase. But the whole point is moot, because "relapse is a part of recovery" does not equal "every single person in recovery ever ever ever relapses" but thanks for telling me I'm dangerous at my job.
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Shawn posted:If we're fighting straw-men pretending like relapse doesn't exist is a dangerous thing. I am saying that it does happen to a lot, but if you look at the ones in recovery Carol is the ot one who has not relapsed. That is something that I like about her recovery. Tony has relapsed a bunch and Flash has relapsed with both booze and Venom itself is addiction itself.
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Edge & Christian posted:Tony was Carol Danvers's sponsor in Busiek's Avengers but I haven't read that in forever so I forget how well it was handled. I believe it mostly took place in Busiek's concurrent run on Iron Man. Can't remember for sure, though.
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