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Solkanar512 posted:fluoride When the CDC is referring to fluoridated water being an "inexpensive" solution they are not referring to the lack of affordable (to literally anyone) toothpaste in Portland. (Unless Portland is an anomaly, you will have an easier time getting toothpaste than food even if you are literally homeless.) Theres a bunch of politics behind their chosen tone but its boring and not worth arguing about. The CDC also publishes warnings that the levels of fluoride in most US water is sufficient to cause dental fluorosis if it is used as the exclusive source of water for children under 8 years old. http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/faqs/dental_fluorosis/index.htm Harvard also advised caution regarding neurodevelopment: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22820538 quote:Department of Environmental Health, Harvard School of Public Health ... and the levels the EPA allows have been argued over within the last decade: http://thyroid.about.com/od/newscontroversies/a/fluoride2006.htm quote:On average, approximately 10 percent of children in communities with water fluoride concentrations at or near 4 mg/L develop severe tooth enamel fluorosis, the new report says. Previous assessments have considered all cases of enamel fluorosis, including serious ones, to be aesthetically displeasing because of the yellow and brown staining of teeth that occurs, but not adverse to health. However, the committee said that severe cases of enamel loss constitute an adverse health effect because one function of enamel is to protect the teeth and underlying dental tissue from decay and infection. "The damage to teeth caused by severe enamel fluorosis is a toxic effect that is consistent with prevailing risk assessment definitions of adverse health effects," the committee reported. Two of the 12 committee members did not agree that enamel defects alone are sufficient to consider severe enamel fluorosis an adverse health effect as opposed to a cosmetic one, but they did agree that EPA's maximum contaminant level goal should be lowered to prevent the occurrence of this unwanted condition. There are also more studies coming out regarding bad outcomes with lifelong overexposure to fluoride and its effects on thyroid function. Regarding poor people, it turns out that malnutrition is a terrible thing to mix with fluoride supplementation. http://repository.ias.ac.in/61439/ http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/11512573/reload=0;jsessionid=afC6Xda6xqMRiO9krrGT.24 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02761130 quote:Metabolically active and vascular bones of children accumulate fluoride at faster and greater rate than adults (at the sites of active growth). In calcium deficient children the toxic effects of fluoride manifest even at marginally high (> 2.5 mg/d) exposures to fluoride. Fluoride toxicity also exaggerates the metabolic effects of calcium deficiency on bone. The findings strongly suggest that children with calcium deficiency rickets reported in the literature should be re-investigated for possible fluoride interactions. Deep bore drinking water supply with fluoride <0.5 ppm and improvement of calcium nutrition provide 100% protection against the toxic effects of fluoride and are recommended as the cost effective and practical public health measures for the prevention and control of endemic fluorosis. When you yell FLUORIDE FLUORIDE FLUORIDE you are part of the reason people fight against it. You dont know what youre talking about and no one wants to risk someone like you making decisions about what (or how much) is in the public water sources. Basically this is a dumb issue to cling to as a hobby. Hooters Etailer posted:Do you have any examples of anti-fluoride material that isn't total bullshit? This topic is dumb. Sawant and wages are more interesting. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 6, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:Sawant and wages are more interesting. I just answered a poll that took about 10 minutes, at first I didn't think it was a push poll but the woman started reading a whole bunch of positions with regard to the small and big business time frames and could have sworn the numbers switched up a few times. I was trying to get across that I don't think tips should count (permanent or temporary), I don't think there should be any delayed rollout for small or large businesses (though that's not on the table) and that I'd also be willing to support a 3-year/7-year big/small rollout if it came to a ballot. Even then I feel like I'm carrying water for fatcats  Then she asked what my biggest concern was about the minimum wage issue, so I said "I think big business is throwing a lot of money at muddying the waters so that people don't feel like they have a good understanding of the issues" and I could have sworn she made a noise like "eh heeemmm."
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So Billy Frank Jr died today. He was huge, huge part of the protests and legal actions that ended with the Boldt Decision that re-affirmed tribal treaty rights and forced the state to include 20 Western Washington tribes in it's resources management. The Boldt Decision also denied federal recognition and treaty rights to landless tribes in Western Washington, including the Snoqualmie tribe (fun fact: Snoqualmie Falls is actually owned by the Muckleshoot tribe because Snoqualmie wasn't a federally recognized tribe at the time they purchased the land) and there are a bunch of people who blame Billy Frank Jr for that. Still he was an amazing man and the world will be a much lesser place without him. Seriously though, read up on the Fishing Wars of the 60s and 70s to get a better understanding of environmental and Native civil rights history in the Pacific Northwest. There's still a huge amount of hostility between tribes and non-tribal members regarding land, fishing, and water rights in Washington. A ton of people in my area are convinced that the casinos are basically conspiracy to drain the fight out of non-natives so that the tribes can buy back all the land and force non-Indians out or do things like instal solar panels on their sheds. A friend of my paternal grandfather's is convinced that the tribal opposition to coal and oil trains is basically a way to stick it to white people because "those Indians don't use cars since they're too drunk to drive".
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SedanChair posted:I just answered a poll that took about 10 minutes, at first I didn't think it was a push poll but the woman started reading a whole bunch of positions with regard to the small and big business time frames and could have sworn the numbers switched up a few times. I was trying to get across that I don't think tips should count (permanent or temporary), I don't think there should be any delayed rollout for small or large businesses (though that's not on the table) and that I'd also be willing to support a 3-year/7-year big/small rollout if it came to a ballot. Even then I feel like I'm carrying water for fatcats OneSeattle, the big business group trying to undermine the 15/h wage, is undoubtedly trying to do some push-polling so they can shout about how support for their plan is overwhelming and oh look everyone loves tip credit and all that other garbage.
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You know one of the many things that's hosed up about tips counting? All the business owners who never gave a poo poo about what you got in tips will now devise every nazi scheme in creation to obsessively monitor how much you're being tipped. Like "turn out your pockets" level poo poo. And there will go the last frontier of tax evasion that a working stiff could count on.
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Fast food workers and grocery deli clerks will be forced to ask for tips. Or better yet, they'll just throw on a 10% gratuity automatically.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:Trying to dig too deep into the machine runs the risk of becoming all about elections and nothing else. The Socialist Party in the days of Eugene Debs did something similar before it collapsed. When the focus became creating a party election machine and entrenching themselves in local governments, it attracted careerist politicians and reformists that that stopped being about genuine leftward movement, watered down their platforms, got involved in local corruption, and became ineffective or beholden to entrenched interests. I think Sawant shows the power of a platform plus a movement already. The $15/hour proposed by the mayor, while weak, wasn't proposed because socialists suddenly took power or got a majority--it's because the politicians in power are scared of the loud, active, discontent people that Sawant is just a voice to. And honestly, 15 Now and the entire movement is still tiny at this point. If a movement ends with the election, it loses all momentum. There has to be something else. I'd point to the Civil Rights movement as an example. People in the streets combined with electoral and judicial tactics got results; becoming a part of the machine hasn't done poo poo. Setting aside the comparison of first world proletariat struggle to the civil rights movement to the marxist academics; If you think you're in a political party, why do you think so little of the philosophies and people that it is made of that you imagine any future to be ridden with bureaucrats and carpetbaggers? If you don't think you're in a political party, why let your work be leveraged by those who do view it as a leg up into the bureaucrat strata? You'll anthromorphise mass movements of people into singular entities that make choices as a unit- when, no, labor does not have a singular choice of what party to support, and nor does the SA party itself with regards to positioning themselves as members of government. We already live with an institution that makes choices baldly based on the opinions of a select few oligarchs: but with a strong vetting process and a well-established platform the SA could create a strong anchor to re-fashion legislation. Abdicating all responsibility as a governing party isn't an answer when you can SEE the result of lovely half-baked laws like the current Seattle minwage system: laws that could rather be a dialog between strong positions of a legitimate political party representing the views of the common person (!) rather than two groups of schmucks trading copy from whatever think tank jammed on the concept recently that we have now. Without Sawant winning an election SA wouldn't even be a figment of an idea. Winning elections is the only way to provoke fast, strong, and lasting change within the institutions that will outlive everyone alive today.
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SedanChair posted:I just answered a poll that took about 10 minutes, at first I didn't think it was a push poll but the woman started reading a whole bunch of positions with regard to the small and big business time frames and could have sworn the numbers switched up a few times. I was trying to get across that I don't think tips should count (permanent or temporary), I don't think there should be any delayed rollout for small or large businesses (though that's not on the table) and that I'd also be willing to support a 3-year/7-year big/small rollout if it came to a ballot. Even then I feel like I'm carrying water for fatcats Haha, I got a similar call. They asked if I supported the different versions of the $15 wage, and then if I supported an initiative that would prevent cities and counties from setting their own minimum wage. Then they asked me if a bunch of different negative statements about the $15 wage effected my opinion at all, then asked what I thought about it again at the end. The most hilarious statement was that union contracts would be exempt from the wage requirement, so they would totally be able to pay less and have an advantage! Oh no!
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Begemot posted:Haha, I got a similar call. They asked if I supported the different versions of the $15 wage, and then if I supported an initiative that would prevent cities and counties from setting their own minimum wage. Then they asked me if a bunch of different negative statements about the $15 wage effected my opinion at all, then asked what I thought about it again at the end. aren't union wages higher as a rule of thumb due to things such as collective bargaining?
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FRINGE posted:When the CDC is referring to fluoridated water being an "inexpensive" solution they are not referring to the lack of affordable (to literally anyone) toothpaste in Portland. (Unless Portland is an anomaly, you will have an easier time getting toothpaste than food even if you are literally homeless.) Theres a bunch of politics behind their chosen tone but its boring and not worth arguing about. In each of these studies the level of fluoride is way higher than what would be introduced through municipal fluoridation (0.7-1.2 mg/L). The articles you quote even say: quote:Earlier studies indicate that up to 15 percent of children in communities with 2 mg of fluoride per liter of water have moderate tooth enamel fluorosis. Although this condition can also lead to tooth discoloration that may be aesthetically objectionable, there is inadequate data to categorize it as an adverse health effect. quote:The exposed groups had access to drinking water with fluoride concentrations up to 11.5 mg/L (Wang SX et al. 2007); thus, in many cases concentrations were above the levels recommended (0.7–1.2 mg/L; DHHS) or allowed in public drinking water quote:the actual exposures of the individual children are not known quote:Still, each of the articles reviewed had deficiencies, in some cases rather serious ones, that limit the conclusions that can be drawn. So these studies may have been as high as 10 times as what would be added to water supplies, but they can't even say exactly how much anyone was getting and admit they can't make any direct conclusions. Irradiation fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 6, 2014 |
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etalian posted:aren't union wages higher as a rule of thumb due to things such as collective bargaining? Yes. I think the other ones were saying that the Seattle job market would be flooded by people seeking higher wages (the horror!) and that prices would go up. I said "no difference" for all of them.
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FRINGE posted:When the CDC is referring to fluoridated water being an "inexpensive" solution they are not referring to the lack of affordable (to literally anyone) toothpaste in Portland. (Unless Portland is an anomaly, you will have an easier time getting toothpaste than food even if you are literally homeless.) Theres a bunch of politics behind their chosen tone but its boring and not worth arguing about. No, they're referring to how for larger populations it costs around 50 cents per person. quote:The CDC also publishes warnings that the levels of fluoride in most US water is sufficient to cause dental fluorosis if it is used as the exclusive source of water for children under 8 years old. I'm going to stop you right there, because you don't have the right to post a link from the CDC of all loving places, misrepresent what that link states, and go on like nothing happened. Did you seriously think I wouldn't read it? Here, directly from the CDC: CDC posted:What accounts for most of the fluoride intake? The warnings posted from the CDC discuss how young children shouldn't swallow excessive amounts of toothpaste and how care should be taken when fluoride is above certain limits. Why are you misrepresenting what the CDC is saying? quote:Harvard also advised caution regarding neurodevelopment: This is really loving cool, because you're misreading the study. As the study itself explains, (and here's a cheat sheet for folks), the "low fluoride" groups matched the amount of fluoride normally found in public drinking water all around the world and had no adverse effects. The groups what were affected had 2-4 mg/L, rather than a more normal 0.5-1.1 mg/L found in typical fluoridated drinking water. quote:... and the levels the EPA allows have been argued over within the last decade: Uh, what in the hell is this? Are you loving kidding me? quote:There are also more studies coming out regarding bad outcomes with lifelong overexposure to fluoride and its effects on thyroid function. You're citing unpublished, non-reviewed work now? We're supposed to take you at your word? Why should I believe you when you've already misrepresented the CDC? quote:Regarding poor people, it turns out that malnutrition is a terrible thing to mix with fluoride supplementation. The first study talking about fluoride levels upwards of 14mg mg/L, in the absence of iodine. I'm pretty sure even the poor in this country have no problem getting iodized SALT. The second study finds positive, neutral and negative correlations with random forms of cancer, and suggests that more work be done in the area. So loving what? In your third study, mean fluoride intake was 9.5 mg/L. Are you loving kidding me? quote:When you yell FLUORIDE FLUORIDE FLUORIDE you are part of the reason people fight against it. You dont know what youre talking about and no one wants to risk someone like you making decisions about what (or how much) is in the public water sources. You loving lied. You misrepresented the CDC, you didn't read any of the studies you posted, you cannot tell the difference between correlation and causation, and you don't understand the concept of an overdose. After just making poo poo up, you have the guts to claim that not only do I know nothing, but that it's because of people like me that people are afraid of doing basic, inexpensive things to raise their own quality of life. We're talking about issues of public health. That's not "a dumb hobby". I get that my tone is angry, but what you're doing is going against scientific consensus without supporting evidence and defending/advocating a position that will cause harm to others, especially those with fewer means. That's something worth getting angry about. Knock it off. Hooters Estailer, you want some non-bullshit sources? Here's the whole CDC section on the issue, and here are some others . Here's the National Academy of Sciences, and the World Health Organization. Note in the last link their focus on poor communities in both high and low income societies, and how effective use of fluoride is a key component of solving this issue. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 06:28 on May 6, 2014 |
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Solkanar512 posted:bullshit edit: Nevermind. Go start a new thread for your pointless hobby. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 06:51 on May 6, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:>:-( I'm pretty sure US tap's median fluoride level's sub 1 mg/L (which compromises your pre-edit reasoning). I'd post a source but I know you don't care about that kind of thing.
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. . . yeah, so that minimum wage hike could positively effect wages in the suburbs as well. Even though my organization is based on the Eastside, we do have two small offices in Seattle proper. HR is worried about staffing issues if the employees in Seattle make more, so the equivalent jobs elsewhere will get a boost as well. Yay ripple effects.
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Accretionist posted:Paraphrased I actually dont care about the issue much, but the copy-pasted adhoms from the religious "skeptic" blogs combined with persistent mis-readings are irritating. I just dont have patience to pretend that all posts are equal (even less than years ago), and we still dont have permission to cut loose, so   I do care about wealth disparity and wages, and will spend old-timey effort on that when I can.
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Wait - I can't be arsed to check, but does Washington allow a different wage to be paid for positions that receive tips? I didn't realize that other states did that, until I lived in Arizona for a while and my girlfriend made like $2.50/hour because she got tips (bartending and waitressing). Here in Oregon the minimum wage is the minimum wage, regardless of whether you get tips or not.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Wait - I can't be arsed to check, but does Washington allow a different wage to be paid for positions that receive tips? I didn't realize that other states did that, until I lived in Arizona for a while and my girlfriend made like $2.50/hour because she got tips (bartending and waitressing). http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2023423265_minimumwagerestaurantsxml.html quote:Washington is one of seven states that does not allow a lower minimum wage for tipped workers. If the fight comes to a breaking point on that, I think they should take the $15 as a minimum and abolish tips. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 07:23 on May 6, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:...poisoning some people is ok in their opinion... Fluoride is naturally occurring in our water, and it's something for which there is routine monitoring.. Fluoridation only entails adding fluoride to water supplies with naturally occurring concentrations below the target range. You've been successfully lied to and hold a crank position.
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This debate was tedious a year ago when Portland voted on it, and it has not improved with age. Portland voted fluoridation down for reasons specific to Portland, and if you don't like that then please start a tedious thread about it instead of making GBS threads up this one as if water fluoridation is the sole measure of civilization.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Wait - I can't be arsed to check, but does Washington allow a different wage to be paid for positions that receive tips? I didn't realize that other states did that, until I lived in Arizona for a while and my girlfriend made like $2.50/hour because she got tips (bartending and waitressing). There are seven states (and Guam) that don't have a tipped minimum wage.
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Kaal posted:This debate was tedious a year ago when Portland voted on it, and it has not improved with age. Portland voted fluoridation down for reasons specific to Portland, and if you don't like that then please start a tedious thread about it instead of making GBS threads up this one as if water fluoridation is the sole measure of civilization. I wouldn't say 'sole measure of civilization' but certainty a measure of the level of anti-science stupidity there. Not that Seattle is better, we don't hate science, we just hate the poor.
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Kaal posted:This debate was tedious a year ago when Portland voted on it, and it has not improved with age. Portland voted fluoridation down for reasons specific to Portland, and if you don't like that then please start a tedious thread about it instead of making GBS threads up this one as if water fluoridation is the sole measure of civilization. Why the people of Portland won't vote in favor of inexpensive, fundamental form of societal based healthcare certainly colors the political character of the area. To ignore that as "tedious" and "making GBS threads up the thread" is simply ignoring the huge public health issues that both areas share. There's a reason why Frontline's "The Vaccine War" starts in Oregon, why just a few years ago Washington state was 48th in Kindergarten vaccinations and so on. Last I heard we're 41st now, which is cold comfort. To borrow from Mrit, why do we vote in such an anti-science manner? Why are our policies shaped in this way?
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FRINGE posted:The CDC placed the warning specifically because some areas are >2mg/L, which does happen to bring the issue into the range of the Harvard study. When someone is lying about their concern for "public health" as a front for a political hobby horse they should be forced to clearly state that poisoning some people is ok in their opinion, as long as there is a potential minor benefit to the majority. Instead they pretend that the actual concerns do not exist at all, and lump the legitimate concerns in with whatever they copy from a blog as dismissal-stew of the week. You're a liar-misreader-correlater-poopyhead! Answering "here's how you're misusing/misrepresenting the data you've quoted" with "I don't actually care about the issue much" is, strangely, not the most solid retort.
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Mrit posted:I wouldn't say 'sole measure of civilization' but certainty a measure of the level of anti-science stupidity there. Not that Seattle is better, we don't hate science, we just hate the poor. I don't know if it's a measure of anything. I just went and took a look at what the rest of the global community does to artificially fluoridate their water and it turns out its not very much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country I think we should just say Portland people prefer not to have their water fluoridated as the 25% tooth decay reduction isn't enough to merit water additives, at least that's the tact the the rest of the world has taken
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Enkmar posted:I don't know if it's a measure of anything. I just went and took a look at what the rest of the global community does to artificially fluoridate their water and it turns out its not very much. The campaign wasn't argued on what the world does, it was argued on a bunch of anti-science bullshit - I linked the campaign site earlier and it was filled with this crap. I keep hearing about strains of FYGM, but I haven't seen any examples of it yet. So why is it that "Portland people" prefer to ignore the scientific consensus and inexpensive health benefits over an irrational fear of, as you put it, "water additives"? Many policies in the PNW are driven by these and similarly anti-science beliefs. We have posters in this very thread willfully misrepresenting data, after all. The GMO labeling campaign in WA last year was also filled with this crap, to the point where the Yes campaign started scaring people with a hybrid plant-fish mascot. I suspect upcoming GMO measures in Oregon will have a similar tone. Look, if folks don't want to talk about the specifics of fluoridation, fine. That doesn't give people the right to post false and misleading scientific data unchallenged, however. Anti-science beliefs shape important aspects of our public policy here in the PNW, and I think it's a huge waste to ignore those influences.
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TOXINS is even bigger in the PNW than ATOMS. Things like fluoride and GMO labeling end up being an all or nothing, emotionally driven battle instead of a reasonable effort to determine regulations and assurance of safety. Scientific arguments get completely drowned out by the crazies the same way as gun control and abortion and any other controversial issue. Meanwhile, WA state legislature is playing chicken with the state supreme court over education funding. The court gave the legislature until April 30th to submit a plan to get education funding on track by 2018. All they got back was a "well we did try really hard." The court has a few options available, including voiding parts of the budget or editing parts of the budget. The political backlash from them raising taxes or cutting programs will be huge, but at this point it's about the only way anything will get done. Personally I'm hoping for mass charges of contempt of court followed by fines and arrests. It's only too bad we can't do public whippings. Or they can puss out like usual and do nothing. 
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oxbrain posted:Meanwhile, WA state legislature is playing chicken with the state supreme court over education funding. The court gave the legislature until April 30th to submit a plan to get education funding on track by 2018. All they got back was a "well we did try really hard." The court has a few options available, including voiding parts of the budget or editing parts of the budget. The political backlash from them raising taxes or cutting programs will be huge, but at this point it's about the only way anything will get done. Wait, the state Supreme Court can raise taxes?
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Solkanar512 posted:Wait, the state Supreme Court can raise taxes? I'm guessing they're planning on voiding a tax cut.
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Thanatosian posted:Washington does not. Seattle will during the phase-in (of course, they'll have to be paid at least state minimum wage + tips until then, which--for now--is still more than anywhere else). Wait, Seattle is going to $2.51 min for tippable jobs during the phase in? Or am I reading this incorrectly.
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Solkanar512 posted:Wait, the state Supreme Court can raise taxes? computer parts posted:I'm guessing they're planning on voiding a tax cut. Basically this. They have the authority to declare the written budget as unconstitutional since it doesn't provide mandated funding. I hope they don't since it would set terrible precedent to have the courts deciding on what gets funded and what doesn't. Instruct the bailiff to escort every congressman into the house and lock the doors until a solution is found.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:This is the first I've heard of her. Then again, I don't watch TV and have fallen behind in reading the newspaper. I can't imagine she has any sort of chance against Merkley. She has been running ads non-stop during the nightly news for at least a month. The only issue she is pushing in the ads is ending Obamacare. I would like to think that the state is liberal enough to not vote for her. However, there is fairly broad anger over the Cover Oregon Website debacle. I don't have too much faith the average voter will understand, or care, that Oracle failed to deliver. Democrats wrote and signed the contracts that allowed the state to be swindled. Let's not forget, Merkley only won by 3% in 2008. Better hope for good turnout in Multnomah county.
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Rookersh posted:Wait, Seattle is going to $2.51 min for tippable jobs during the phase in? Or am I reading this incorrectly. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wehby recently snagged a, uh, key endorsement? Honestly really interested to see if this actually helps her, if those numbers exist. Edit: and, a quick brush-up on her shows me that's on the heels of some good words from the leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces himself. Pirate Radar fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 6, 2014 |
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Here in Oregon the minimum wage is the minimum wage, regardless of whether you get tips or not. To my understanding, tips count towards your pay in Oregon: if you make the minimum wage or greater off of tips alone in a pay period, you can end up without a paycheck. Unless the restaurants I'm familiar with are screwing their staff.
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SyHopeful posted:To my understanding, tips count towards your pay in Oregon: if you make the minimum wage or greater off of tips alone in a pay period, you can end up without a paycheck. Unless the restaurants I'm familiar with are screwing their staff. They would still have to pay the federal minimum for wages with tips, $2.13/hr. Somebody's getting screwed. e: VVV I defer woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 00:32 on May 7, 2014 |
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SyHopeful posted:To my understanding, tips count towards your pay in Oregon: if you make the minimum wage or greater off of tips alone in a pay period, you can end up without a paycheck. Unless the restaurants I'm familiar with are screwing their staff. Oregon is one of the seven states without a tipped minimum wage, meaning tips don't count towards their wage at all; they should be getting the state minimum wage ($9.10 per hour, as of Jan. 1) plus tips.
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Thanatosian posted:Oregon is one of the seven states without a tipped minimum wage, meaning tips don't count towards their wage at all; they should be getting the state minimum wage ($9.10 per hour, as of Jan. 1) plus tips. No poo poo? Time to do some BLI research. E: So I found this, which agrees with you, but on page 2 it says: quote:Following the Cumbie decision, the U.S. Department of Labor amended its regulations to Emphasis mine. How would you interpret that? SyHopeful fucked around with this message at 00:46 on May 7, 2014 |
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