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KomradeX posted:What's the general consensus on Countdown to and Final Crisis, I've normally heard good things. Final Crisis = a smash!
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KomradeX posted:Okay, I thought I had that backwards. What's the general consensus on Countdown to and Final Crisis, I've normally heard good things. Except for Superboy punching reality. Of again I could be having my comic events mixed up. I think you were thinking of the Countdown to Infinite Crisis books, which was not actually a single series but a bunch of books that were leading up to Infinite Crisis. I don't hear people ragging on those much and people seemed to like Gail Simone's Villians United. Countdown to Final Crisis was a 52 part weekly book that "led into" Final Crisis and was Dan Didio attempting to bring back the success of 52 but in something he could control.
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May 6, 2014 14:22
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Rhyno posted:Where on Earth did you hear good things about Countdown? Anyway, Countdown was awful except for a few unintentionally funny bits. Final Crisis is good but intentionally disjointed and the original TPB left out some pretty important parts of the story.
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May 6, 2014 15:08
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The collection has Superman Beyond and Submit in the right spots. The only other thing to include would be the two issues of 'Batman' inside his head while he's captured and the 'lost chapters' which was published way later. Didn't Superman Beyond 2 not come out till after FC was done? I just got back into comics about the time FC was wrapping up, so by the time I got to it, I could read it in the right order, but at the time it must've been crazy making. e: It was a week before FC#7. That's a bit better. I was imagining everyone picking up the last issue and going 'What's a Mandrakk?' Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 15:14
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Superboy punching reality is Infinite Crisis. The schedule for the original issues was very screwed up, so a bunch of the art was rushed fill-in work. If you bother reading it, get a trade because the back issues will be full of crappy, rushed art. I bought the issues as they came out, and I'll always hate Infinite Crisis because of that. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:*Countdown to Final Crisis was a clusterfuck. There was zero comunication between the writers of the weekly and Morrison leading to tons of plot that went to nowhere, everything of interest happened on the tie ins and the last issues were essentially a reset button. A shame since there were some good things in there like Jason's character arc (until th end of course) and the Jokester. It's so bad that it's difficult to even hate read; I gave up halfway through. It's such a chore that Edge&Christian couldn't even finish his weekly articles making fun of the book. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:*Final Crisis was all Morrison and such seen with high regard but is really hard to understand since is really meta, as any other Morrison work actually. It also wasn't helpful that DC Editorial had a bunch of tie-ins, lead-ins, and spin-offs that all contradicted each other or were published out of sequence. Final Crisis is not an easy read, but it wasn't helped that many DC editors couldn't be bothered to keep track of what actually happened in the story.
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May 6, 2014 16:21
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The Action Man posted:The schedule for the original issues was very screwed up, so a bunch of the art was rushed fill-in work. If you bother reading it, get a trade because the back issues will be full of crappy, rushed art. I bought the issues as they came out, and I'll always hate Infinite Crisis because of that. They threw in a double page spread that was uncolored or something, didn't they? I remember seeing that and was blown away that they'd ship a major event book like that.
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May 6, 2014 16:35
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Infinite Crisis was terribly rushed but it's not too bad in collected form, though I also do like the ridiculously cheesy audio play version of it they released. I don't remember anything in Infinite Crisis as bad as the colouring in Final Crisis which kept making everybody white.
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May 6, 2014 16:38
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Codependent Poster posted:They threw in a double page spread that was uncolored or something, didn't they? I remember seeing that and was blown away that they'd ship a major event book like that. It's good to know that DC has grown up since then. Now if they don't have a big event book finished they delay it by a few months and raise the price a dollar!
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May 6, 2014 16:38
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Waterhaul posted:Infinite Crisis was terribly rushed but it's not too bad in collected form, though I also do like the ridiculously cheesy audio play version of it they released. I don't remember anything in Infinite Crisis as bad as the colouring in Final Crisis which kept making everybody white. The FC coloring was great, and fit well with the theme that DC is a poo poo company.
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May 6, 2014 16:57
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Codependent Poster posted:They threw in a double page spread that was uncolored or something, didn't they? I remember seeing that and was blown away that they'd ship a major event book like that. They did. I didn't realize that they did that until after I bought issue 7 and read it in my dorm room. It's the main reason I'll always hate Infinite Crisis. I paid for a finished product, and DC actually sold me an incomplete one. Waterhaul posted:Infinite Crisis was terribly rushed but it's not too bad in collected form, though I also do like the ridiculously cheesy audio play version of it they released. Waterhaul posted:I don't remember anything in Infinite Crisis as bad as the colouring in Final Crisis which kept making everybody white. Did they ever get all the skin coloring corrected? I know that when they fixed Shilo Norman for the collected edition, they colored Sonny Sumo black. Is it correct in the Absolute Edition?
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May 6, 2014 17:05
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I actually quite liked Infinite Crisis even though it was dumb as gently caress. I think once you get through all the stupidity there is actually a good story there - somewhere. Final Crisis on the other hand fell apart for me at the end. It didn't help that I was following it through the floppies and I didn't buy all the tie ins so when the final issue happened I had no idea who giant space story-vampire was, or why I should really care. The fact that the final issue also told as a flashback annoyed the gently caress out of me. The lead-ups to IC were pretty good too, the two high points being Villains United (which spawned Secret Six) and OMAC (which spawned Checkmate).
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May 6, 2014 17:21
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Final Crisis was completely a metaphor about comics. It throws in every lovely aspect of comics, uses them about as well as possible (which is not necessarily very well), and then says that comics need to lighten up. If you don't realize that, FC is really hard to enjoy outside a few disjointed scenes, like Green Arrow's fight with the Justifiers.
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May 6, 2014 17:29
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Madkal posted:I actually quite liked Infinite Crisis even though it was dumb as gently caress. I think once you get through all the stupidity there is actually a good story there - somewhere. Final Crisis on the other hand fell apart for me at the end. It didn't help that I was following it through the floppies and I didn't buy all the tie ins so when the final issue happened I had no idea who giant space story-vampire was, or why I should really care. The fact that the final issue also told as a flashback annoyed the gently caress out of me. The Day of Vengeance tie in was an excellent story done by Bill Willingham and would lead to the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. Shame they couldn't keep the same team with the Shadowpact follow up. Infinite Crisis wanted to be COIE sooooo hard it was laughably bad. The reasoning as to why poo poo had become so grimdark (reality punches), to the freaking just grisly violence perpetrated on D-List Teen Titans,(poor poor One Armed McGee), to killing off Superboy after all that awesome character growth, Space Goatse, GIANT PURPLE DEATH RAY, Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Lois somehow supposed to be saved by Earth-2 itself (and not cause she's you know old). The good things that came out of Infinite Crisis were 52, SBP, and Anti-Monitor being left around to play with for the Sinestro Corps War, and of course every time I whine about Infinite Crisis the amazing thing that was Edited Crisis #4 to make it all better. Also the Villains United one shot had the best setup for the Battle of Metropolis and a terrifying Doomsday that we never got to see throw down against the B-Team of superheroes.
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May 6, 2014 17:46
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Jiro posted:The Day of Vengeance tie in was an excellent story done by Bill Willingham and would lead to the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. Shame they couldn't keep the same team with the Shadowpact follow up. Infinite Crisis wanted to be COIE sooooo hard it was laughably bad. The reasoning as to why poo poo had become so grimdark (reality punches), to the freaking just grisly violence perpetrated on D-List Teen Titans,(poor poor One Armed McGee), to killing off Superboy after all that awesome character growth, Space Goatse, GIANT PURPLE DEATH RAY, Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Lois somehow supposed to be saved by Earth-2 itself (and not cause she's you know old). Like I said the actual story of IC is stupid as gently caress but somewhere deep down there, there is a good story. I could even argue that it is as meta as a Morrison comic, but without the same execution (but seeing as Morrison loves telling the same story over and over he has lots of practice at it). We have a bunch of old timey heroes getting pissed off because all the current heroes are dark, violent, arseholes. They want things returned to a brighter happier time like when they were the heroes going off to strange planets and fighting goofy villains who were more interested in stealing all the nickels in town than raking up the highest body count. They are disappointed in the direction current heroes take, and long for a brighter future. Tell me that isn't something Morrison wouldn't have come up with now. The execution was sadly lacking though, and instead we get one of the happier heroes becoming insane because...? And in the end, the current heroes still remain grim dark (or return to that state later on because event comics don't really change the status quo that much.
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Senor Candle posted:It's good to know that DC has grown up since then. Now if they don't have a big event book finished they delay it by a few months and raise the price a dollar! Forever Evil is one of the worst big events ever. What's the biggest thing coming out of it? Dick Grayson faking his death? That series won't last and he'll be back as Nightwing before you know it.
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May 6, 2014 21:56
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We also got a few panels of Ultraman snorting Kryptonite.
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May 6, 2014 22:48
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Urdnot Fire posted:We also got a few panels of Ultraman snorting Kryptonite. And all the David Finch art we can handle! 
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May 6, 2014 23:29
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Is there a thread for Futures End? I am so loving glad nothing that happens in this book matters because time travel. Spoiler for the first issue--->Because that would knock the number of gay couples in the DCU down to ZERO
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May 7, 2014 00:47
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Am I remembering correctly that the line about the Purple Death Ray! was removed from the collected edition of Infinite Crisis? Because I'd be lying if I said the Purple Death Ray! wasn't my favorite part of that story.
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May 7, 2014 03:12
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You're correct. Punching reality to bring people back from the dead was totally plot-relevant, but something called a Purple Death Ray was apparently too campy.
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May 7, 2014 03:42
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Re: Green Arrow #31 Fun issue leading into Broken. I guess the Green Arrow really IS broken. 
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May 7, 2014 11:49
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I was pretty into seeing good ol' Stormwatch and Frankenstein's fish girlfriend taking a part in Futures End. Oh well. And, Oh well, cool tunic'd bearded Ollie. It's definitely following the 52 formula with disconnected plot threads and a protagonist with an AI buddy. Nothing but glimpses of set-up so far, so I dunno... Firestorm's new uniform is pretty neat. e: Jeff Lemire's Batman/Superman story was a bit average, sadly. Sweet plugs for both of his other books on the first page, though. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 13:10 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 12:26
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Futures End is hilariously bad and I am so, so, so sorry for being even remotely optimistic. I cannot believe that nobody at legal or anything looked at that "Grifter blows away a family of three in the suburbs in their own home" sequence and went "uh..."
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May 7, 2014 15:06
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:
Countdown also featured the Pied Piper blowing up Apokolips via the Anti-Life Equation and the power of Queen. (This is a positive)
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May 7, 2014 15:09
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d00gZ posted:Futures End is hilariously bad and I am so, so, so sorry for being even remotely optimistic. You learned an important lesson today and are forgiven.
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May 7, 2014 15:18
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d00gZ posted:Futures End is hilariously bad and I am so, so, so sorry for being even remotely optimistic. The family of three was a metaphor for childhood hopes and dreams that are fueled by the best kind of comics. Grifter, being created by Jim Lee, is a metaphor for DC publishing.
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May 7, 2014 15:24
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d00gZ posted:I cannot believe that nobody at legal or anything looked at that "Grifter blows away a family of three in the suburbs in their own home" sequence and went "uh..." Family of three ALIEN SCUMBAGS in their suburban TERROR CELL! That was over the top and I'm not interested yet in the daemonites thing coming into it, but I liked Terry n' A.L.F.R.E.D. and Stormwatch (assuming most of them get to escape.) I thought it was solid for a start. e: I read both issues today and noticed a poster on the last page of #0 about an 'E2' benefit concert. Earth 2 is moving to Earth 1 next year for fuckin' sure. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:51 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 15:26
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Earth-2 is so good, I'm gonna hate having to see it crossover with the New 52  At least Batman Eternal is opening up more now and brought back Tim Drake.
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May 7, 2014 17:39
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I am honestly surprised with how Batman Eternal is turning out to be the better weekly compared to Futures End. Futures End had a-lot going for it and #1 felt like wasted potential.
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May 7, 2014 17:47
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So Future's End had a gay character being graphically killed, "a child" being shot in the face with a gun after witnessing her parents being graphically murdered and ends on another hero "being killed". And this is only the first issue 
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May 7, 2014 19:25
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Forever Evil #7 still isn't out yet, is it?
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May 7, 2014 19:37
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Waterhaul posted:So Future's End had a gay character being graphically killed, "a child" being shot in the face with a gun after witnessing her parents being graphically murdered and ends on another hero "being killed". So Mark Waid was right when he said it was the New 52est of New 52 books? mango sentinel posted:Forever Evil #7 still isn't out yet, is it? Please tell me it won't be done before Original Sin so that Marvel will have done 3 events in the time DC did one.
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May 7, 2014 19:38
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Waterhaul posted:So Future's End had a gay character being graphically killed, "a child" being shot in the face with a gun after witnessing her parents being graphically murdered and ends on another hero "being killed". This is just a lead up to the ultimate New 52 announcement: DC buying Crossed.
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May 7, 2014 19:41
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Waterhaul posted:So Future's End had a gay character being graphically killed, "a child" being shot in the face with a gun after witnessing her parents being graphically murdered and ends on another hero "being killed". Glad to see they are toning it down.
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May 7, 2014 19:43
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Waterhaul posted:So Future's End had a gay character being graphically killed, "a child" being shot in the face with a gun after witnessing her parents being graphically murdered and ends on another hero "being killed". Woah only 5 people died?
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May 7, 2014 19:57
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Woah only 5 people died? I'm pretty sure the "Family" people keep bringing up were actually evil aliens. They were trying to make Grifter second guess shooting a little girl in the face so they could kill him or something.
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May 7, 2014 20:01
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Woah only 5 people died? Actually all of Stormwatch "died" in an explosion but I'm sure a chunk will survive at the last minute. Apollo is the only one who has Dr. Manhattan level of skeleton revealing exploding. Senor Candle posted:I'm pretty sure the "Family" people keep bringing up were actually evil aliens. They were trying to make Grifter second guess shooting a little girl in the face so they could kill him or something. They were pod people. Grifter explains that he hunts them down killing them in their homes but they never properly changed form. He murdered two "parents", slowly stalking them around the house like a horror film serial killer and ended with him shooting an evil child in the face muttering about how he'll kill them all even if everybody thinks he's crazy. I know they were "evil aliens" but the way the book shows it is really terrible. Waterhaul fucked around with this message at 20:08 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 20:05
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Waterhaul posted:Actually all of Stormwatch "died" in an explosion but I'm sure a chunk will survive at the last minute. Apollo is the only one who has Dr. Manhattan level of skeleton revealing exploding. The child one does freak out there at the end. I do agree that it was a really dumb way to do that though. It baffles me that DC would lean into this as their FCBD book. It's so crazy!
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May 7, 2014 20:21
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Waterhaul posted:a gay character He's also the one that would fly out into space to check something out  Was this comic really outrageous? Batman Eternal #1 killed hundreds of people just to get everyone mad at Jim Gordon, but this is unacceptable? E: I mean, tastes are tastes. Whatever, but in the grand scheme of comics, eh. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 7, 2014 |
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mango sentinel posted:Forever Evil #7 still isn't out yet, is it? There is no Issue #7, "Forever Evil" is a metaphor for the current editorial regime and they are never, ever, going away
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