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I've never seen Russell Wilson think "I think I should run right into this wall of flesh in front of me, and then spin around and run backwards." I mean Russell's done a lot of running but it has generally been sideline to sideline.
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Butthead posted:Manziel was 5'11 3/4", 207lbs at the combine. Russell Wilson was 5'11", 204lbs at his combine. I think he'll be fine granted he takes the average amount of hits an NFL QB takes. There is no QB that is guaranteed to be OK if a linebacker or safety gets a good hit on them, even Roethlisberger. no, but a QB who scrambles out of a clean pocket and can clown college players in the open field is going to get rocked a lot more often. I am not saying JFF will bust (yes I am), I am just saying that unless he drastically changes his play style he will be a huge injury liability.
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well ben roethlisberger is a tremendous piece of poo poo so this just solidifies JFF being the best
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Do you think Ben hates signing autographs with his complicated rear end name
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It's not like being a doughy fucker made Roethlisberger any more injury resistant. It's more about how you take a hit than how big you are.
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Being able to shrug off 300+lb dudes like they aren't there seems like an advantage, even though it's probably led to him missing some games. He's been lucky sure and a lot of the games he's missed are probably due to the way he holds on to the ball forever but...well when you're Ben I can understand having that opinion on Manziel. Of course he's stupid because he's Ben and I hope he's wrong and so I can revel in QFG hating Manziel for years to come. But I worry about that little dude.
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The argument is kind of dumb and kind of smart at the same time. That's Roethlisberger for ya. Fact is whether you're built like Wilson or Cam Newton a big backside bandit putting his helmet in the small of your back and driving you into the dirt is going to gently caress you up. If you see it coming and can roll with it and brace yourself you're probably going to be OK. The only risk comes from how quickly they're likely to come back from the hit which I guess could be a concern, but I don't really see it. In fact I'm trying to think of the last "small" QB who got injured by a legal clean hit and I'm drawing a blank. Colt got hosed up with a shot to his melon IIRC. I can't remember anyone other than Vick getting hurt in normal sort of play and being "small".
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McCoy had a small arm and was maybe a little willowy but he was 6'2" wasn't he? I guess if you want someone of similar height you can look up the brief and terrible career of Brodie Croyle.
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I think the point is that you have to use your legs to extend the play, not use your legs to make the play. There is a huge difference. That famous .gif of him against Duke where he runs into three defenders and spins out to launch a bomb won't happen in the NFL. It might, but for everytime that happens, he is going to be hit 9 times. Also, on that play he basically left a perfectly clean pocket with no pressure to run into that wall to begin with. Ben is at his best when he shrugs off tackles and extends the play. JFF is going to have to dodge them to do it, and because he is so much smaller once a 300 lb DT gets his paws on him, he probably can't shake him like Ben could. Again, if he can use his pocket and use his legs to extend plays rather than making one read and running like he did his entire career, then he can be effective in the same vein as Russel Wilson. All I am saying is that he will have to change his game significantly to that pattern, because he doesn't have it now.
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swickles posted:I think Sherman is more deserving. Took me a minute before I realized you didn't mean Richard.
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swickles posted:I think the point is that you have to use your legs to extend the play, not use your legs to make the play. There is a huge difference. That famous .gif of him against Duke where he runs into three defenders and spins out to launch a bomb won't happen in the NFL. It might, but for everytime that happens, he is going to be hit 9 times. Also, on that play he basically left a perfectly clean pocket with no pressure to run into that wall to begin with. Ben is at his best when he shrugs off tackles and extends the play. JFF is going to have to dodge them to do it, and because he is so much smaller once a 300 lb DT gets his paws on him, he probably can't shake him like Ben could. Again, if he can use his pocket and use his legs to extend plays rather than making one read and running like he did his entire career, then he can be effective in the same vein as Russel Wilson. All I am saying is that he will have to change his game significantly to that pattern, because he doesn't have it now. To be fair to Manziel though people said the same thing about Big Ben not being able to shrug off linemen in the NFL, Cammy cam not being able to make those amazing runs to pick up the first down, gently caress I'm sure people even said the same thing about Hester as a return man. Yeah the frequency drops off a bit but it still happens.
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I can't get over Ben's examples of players that would gently caress JFF up being Troy Polamalu Ike Taylor and Joey Porter. Like is his brain so hosed up he thinks its still 2008?
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QBs tend to get destroyed due to not being able to recognize pressure, such as Kevin Kolb. The only example I can remember where a QB was just too small was Pat White, where he scrambled his way into a vicious hit. Manziel was able to feel the pressure in college. His success in the NFL will depend on if he can avoid trying to run like Pat White, which is something I think he'll learn to do pretty quick.
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swickles posted:rather than making one read and running like he did his entire career Manziel definitely went through multiple reads and picked the open man a lot. The biggest issue for me is that if the open man is a dump off option, he typically decides to buy some time to try and make a bigger play. You never see Tom Brady or Manning ignore an open man at <7 yards to try and make the throw at 20 a few seconds later. They take that poo poo all day long. Wilson usually gets rid of the ball quickly, and when he doesn't, he's very conservative about putting himself in a position to get blindsided. Manziel tries to stretch plays as long as he can, and flings his body into his offensive line exposing himself for big hits. He gets greedy and tries to take something in situations where he needs to admit there's nothing and get rid of the ball. He just can't play sloppy like that at the pro level, and he's going to pay for it often if he tries to make it a huge part of his offense. It's not just sensing pressure. It's sensing pressure and saying to yourself "abort."
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BlindSite posted:...a big backside bandit putting his helmet in the small of your back and driving you into the dirt is going to gently caress you up. If you see it coming and can roll with it and brace yourself you're probably going to be OK.
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Volkerball posted:Manziel definitely went through multiple reads and picked the open man a lot. The biggest issue for me is that if the open man is a dump off option, he typically decides to buy some time to try and make a bigger play. You never see Tom Brady or Manning ignore an open man at <7 yards to try and make the throw at 20 a few seconds later. They take that poo poo all day long. Wilson usually gets rid of the ball quickly, and when he doesn't, he's very conservative about putting himself in a position to get blindsided. Brady and Manning get rid of the ball because they are immobile statues who have no choice. Wilson gets rid of it because he's boring and lame. Manziel owns.
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Grittybeard posted:McCoy had a small arm and was maybe a little willowy but he was 6'2" wasn't he?  6'1" 216 lbs at the combine.
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Febreeze posted:Giants needs: Giants filled in some glaring spots on their o-line with Schwartz, Walton, John Jerry, and Brown. So they got a ton of rotational o-line and a top starter. I doubt they go o-line unless they're really worried about Beatty. They don't need DT nearly as much as they need DE. Starting TE is currently Adrien Robinson who is an athletic freak but can't run routes or catch the ball or block.
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BlindSite posted:Fact is whether you're built like Wilson or Cam Newton a big backside bandit putting his helmet in the small of your back and driving you into the dirt is going to gently caress you up. If you see it coming and can roll with it and brace yourself you're probably going to be OK. Very much this, when Mario Williams made the Panthers Oline look like JV rejects, it didn'tatter how big Cam was, every hit he took looked like a potential injury when he got hit from the blindside. Still it will look even worse when Manziel gets rocked by JJ Watt 4 times a game.
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It is cute that the battered husk of Joey Porter thinks he can hit a guy harder than current members of SEC defenses. Also I didn't think there was anything that could make me dislike that stupid fat rapist any more than I already do yet here we are. Perhaps this year will be the year his head stops fitting in his helmet?
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bewbies posted:It is cute that the battered husk of Joey Porter thinks he can hit a guy harder than current members of SEC defenses. Big Ben? Racist?
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Joey Porter could hit harder than current SEC players because he'd be aiming for the head.
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I'm sure Texans fans will say McClain has no info but others (on Twitter) are discussing it as well. @McClain_on_NFL Word's spreading among media here that Manziel is going to Jacksonville at 3.
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So Mack at 3 then.
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Texans: Khalil Mack Rams: Greg Robinson Jaguars: JFF Browns: Sammy Watkins Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney Make it happen.
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I have a terrible terrible feeling that the fins may take Ebron if there isn't O-line available and I'll loving cry
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Waroduce posted:I have a terrible terrible feeling that the fins may take Ebron if there isn't O-line available and I'll loving cry
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I have been dodging all rumor mongering blurbs for the past two days and will continue that practice today. I hope the next 33 hours pass quickly.
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Ozu posted:I'm sure Texans fans will say McClain has no info but others (on Twitter) are discussing it as well. Pleeeaaaassseeee
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Blitz7x posted:Pleeeaaaassseeee Mack or Watkins are going to be at 5, and then Reggie's going to trade down to 30 and take another CB. It is known.
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Doltos posted:I have been dodging all rumor mongering blurbs for the past two days and will continue that practice today. I hope the next 33 hours pass quickly. I've been reading them because I have strong mental fortitude and I am not drawn into the realm of rumor and myth
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Dr. Foom posted:Mack or Watkins are going to be at 5, and then Reggie's going to trade down to 30 and take another CB. If the 9ers give us all their picks, I'm so down.
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What is TFF opinio on Bridgewater going top 10? Im not buying any of this character assassination poo poo
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Approximately how stupid is Dimitroffquote:Citing "word on the street," ESPN's Ed Werder reported on SportsCenter Wednesday that the Texans are asking the Falcons for a Robert Griffin III-like trade haul to get from No. 6 overall to No. 1. Also who said Ben wouldn't shrug off linemen in the NFL, dude is a fuckin tank, he's 6'5 240. What was his bulk coming into the 04 draft? Also as far as Ben being prone to injury, when it came to actual injuries on the field that took Ben out, he's been relatively durable? I mean he missed a game or two over his career from concussions, but he played in 15+ games in 6 of 9 seasons, and 14 of 14 starts in 04. One of the seasons he didn't play a full season was because of the suspension over the rape case. So he only got knocked out on the field for multiple games in 2 of 10 seasons, the rib injury in 2012 and knee issues way back in 2005. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 16:26 on May 7, 2014 |
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NFL.com has a recorded mock draft up on their homepage. Faulk selected Manziel at number 2 (as the Rams) and his reasoning was that St. Louis does not trust Bradford. Is this really a possibility?
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On the Rich Eisen podcast Les Snead emphatically stated his absolute belief in Sam Bradford multiple times so... maybe.
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Waroduce posted:What is TFF opinio on Bridgewater going top 10? Best qb in the draft
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