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The local grocery chain for me (HEB), has pretty foolproof machines in the self-checkout lanes. Good scales for produce, has a produce chart, can take checks, sell alcohol (requires the clerk on duty to verify id). They aren't all awful, maybe you guys just got screwed over.
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Mo_Steel posted:A 35 year old working at Burger King? Blow it out your rear end Cara Larm, you don't know their situation. Maybe they got laid off from a well paying job and are struggling to feed their family while their savings rapidly dwindle because of the minimum wage they were forced to take when the economy took a poo poo or their company got stomped by a competitor. Maybe they should've chosen to work for a company that wouldn't fail in 5 years or chosen to be born in a different decade that didn't disrupt their life with one of the worst recessions in U.S. history. Hey, that's capitalism man, some people are just inherently worth more than others! Isn't it great? I mean, yeah it's too bad if you're born with a developmental disability or mental illness which precludes you from productively participating in the economy, but under capitalism you can just pacerhimself posted:Somebody should start a corporate culture thread, I'd love to read some venting on how out of touch executives are with the average employee. This sounds good. There already is a "Reasons I no longer desire to work in corporate" thread in BFC but that's like personal anecdotes.
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May 7, 2014 14:20
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EightBit posted:The local grocery chain for me (HEB), has pretty foolproof machines in the self-checkout lanes. Good scales for produce, has a produce chart, can take checks, sell alcohol (requires the clerk on duty to verify id). They aren't all awful, maybe you guys just got screwed over. Right. The other point with regards to automation is that while there are ways to make it not a boondoggle, it tends to not be done under the same kind of corporate, profit-driven thinking that simply runs half a dozen programmers into burnout because there's so many of them anyway rather than treating employees well.
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May 7, 2014 14:23
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Radish posted:Started seeing this before videos in youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvKXjo0Lew I guess assholes are really scared about a minimum wage increase if they are spamming us with this low effort garbage. I'm going to guess this is like the CBO report on Obamacare where the jobs are "lost" because people no longer have to work two jobs and it's not actually jobs destroyed.
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May 7, 2014 14:26
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Lemma posted:This is the real interesting bit, to me. Part of the reason so many people are out of work now is because we no longer need people to work. How many low-level jobs actually require any significant amount of human input? When McDonalds and Starbucks are all totally automated, what? Herein is the benefit afforded someone who adopts the "modern kids are just lazy!" worldview: it makes your struggle more worthwhile. We grew up having to take lovely jobs, in the future nobody will have to take lovely jobs because they will be done automatically. When you have that much of your self worth invested in your image as a hard worker, a big change of that sort is bound to cause some resentment. I still...to this day, will never understand the whole "GARGH! MILLENIALS ARE LAZY ENTITLED JERKS! FOX NEWS TOLD ME" viewpoint. Even if one were to have that viewpoint coming out of college? It really disappears quite quickly. "Oh gently caress, I'm broke, no one else is hiring..I had better take this job in the mean time". It seems to be made by people who have a.) Already had kids who are employed, and likely in their 30's/40's by now, b.) Are by people who have been employed for a number of years, thus have nothing to worry about. It's very "gently caress You, Got Mine" in a lot of ways. Also Sheetz does have an automated system, but has about 3 to 4 people working behind the counter at all times. I do not think I would a sandwich put together by a machine.
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May 7, 2014 14:37
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FuzzySkinner posted:I still...to this day, will never understand the whole "GARGH! MILLENIALS ARE LAZY ENTITLED JERKS! FOX NEWS TOLD ME" viewpoint. It's what every generation has said about their successors since (at least) the dawn of recorded history. The trappings change based on technology and the issues of the day, but the core of "younger people are living their lives differently than I am and this is terrible" stays the same.
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May 7, 2014 16:05
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FuzzySkinner posted:I still...to this day, will never understand the whole "GARGH! MILLENIALS ARE LAZY ENTITLED JERKS! FOX NEWS TOLD ME" viewpoint. I ran into this yesterday at work for the first time. I sit next two a couple people who are almost certainly in their 50s and they were having problems with one of their new coworkers. Now for all I know, this person is genuinely bad at their job and/or lazy. The problem is they decided that her behavior was indicative of the two generations that followed them and decided to go on and on about how people of that generation are arrogant, lazy and entitled. After about 15 minutes of this, I stood up, spread my arms open wide and just said "Really?" After telling me to "Just Relax" and realizing that wasn't going to happen, they both came by my cube later and attempted to explain how they weren't referring to me, they were just talking about her. It took me about 10 minutes with each of them to get them to understand that when you generalize to an entire generation, you are indeed making claims about that entire generation. I don't care if you have a son near my age and *of course* you're not talking about him or me. I think the man actually got what I was saying, but I suspect the woman is just hoping I don't report her to HR and is convinced I'm a troublemaker. She hasn't talked to me since. Note: I have no intention of reporting them to HR unless the behaviour recurs.
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May 7, 2014 16:13
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Radish posted:Started seeing this before videos in youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvKXjo0Lew I guess assholes are really scared about a minimum wage increase if they are spamming us with this low effort garbage. "Remember what I told you about that health care bill" The one that has helped millions of Americans and was a resounding success? Please proceed, fortune teller.
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May 7, 2014 16:17
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Profit-obsessed companies are always going to do what will increase profits the most. In some cases they are literally willing to do things that they know kill people to increase shareholder value. Automation is going to come regardless of what the minimum wage is, and at worst an increase might slightly hasten it. But clearly the fact that these companies are powerless to avoid hurting human beings is somehow the fault of everyone except those companies?
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May 7, 2014 16:22
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Has anyone ever used the checkout machine at a fast food place like Jack In The Box? It takes twice as long to order food on that thing because you have to through menus after menus. No one wants to use them. In fact they generally entice you with free tacos to get you to use it.
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May 7, 2014 16:42
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Kiosks will work just fine in time, especially with smartphone integration. ATMs were a puzzler for people at first as well.
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May 7, 2014 16:44
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I really like the automated kiosks at my Kroger. They do go down from time to time and sometimes they fail, but it's not a big deal and it's way faster to go through one of those sometimes than deal with standing in line for a cashier. I do think it's funny sometimes how people will wait in line for a kiosk when there's a live human being in the next lane with zero customers.
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May 7, 2014 16:46
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Guilty Spork posted:Profit-obsessed companies are always going to do what will increase profits the most. In some cases they are literally willing to do things that they know kill people to increase shareholder value. Automation is going to come regardless of what the minimum wage is, and at worst an increase might slightly hasten it. See I don't get this mentality. I can look back in history and see machines of one kind or another taking over jobs that people used to do and it had nothing to do with the employer having to pay his employees more money because of a minimum wage increase. It was always because a machine can put in more work, and you don't have to pay a machine. Why do these people think that machines will only take over a job if the minimum wage goes up?
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May 7, 2014 16:48
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If you are taking a picture of an automated checkout before the wage increase... It looks like they were already a thing before the increase?!
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May 7, 2014 17:32
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I've used those stupid things at jack in the box and they legit take like 3x the time to order from than a human being in the drive through. I think some of the ones in seattle were already pulled out because they were vandalized as well. Also they've been around for about 4 years so yeah, nothing to do with the wage increase.
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May 7, 2014 17:43
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As we all know, mechanization of low wage jobs is always a terrible thing for those who no longer do that job. Someone feel free to put "Don't want to be property? Say hello to your replacement" on the above image.
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May 7, 2014 18:12
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Peanut3141 posted:I ran into this yesterday at work for the first time. I sit next two a couple people who are almost certainly in their 50s and they were having problems with one of their new coworkers. Now for all I know, this person is genuinely bad at their job and/or lazy. The problem is they decided that her behavior was indicative of the two generations that followed them and decided to go on and on about how people of that generation are arrogant, lazy and entitled. After about 15 minutes of this, I stood up, spread my arms open wide and just said "Really?" Man, the crossover between this thread and shitthatdidnthappen.txt really runs deep.
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May 7, 2014 18:20
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Okonner posted:Man, the crossover between this thread and shitthatdidnthappen.txt really runs deep. Well no one stoop up and applauded OR was Albert Einstein, so it probably never happened.
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May 7, 2014 18:22
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Wawa, a regional convenience store chain in the Philly/NJ area, has self-serve kiosks to order sandwiches and specialty drinks from (you might remember Mitt Romney awkwardly praising them on a campaign stop). They're very popular and incredibly easy to use even for custom orders, so yeah, it's possible. Wawa still employs a gently caress-ton of workers, of course, because that's one job out of like a dozen that needs doing at any given time.
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May 7, 2014 18:26
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borkencode posted:
Stealing this.
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May 7, 2014 18:27
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Pfirti86 posted:I really like the automated kiosks at my Kroger. They do go down from time to time and sometimes they fail, but it's not a big deal and it's way faster to go through one of those sometimes than deal with standing in line for a cashier. I do the opposite for moral reasons. Even if there is a line for the real cashier, I still prefer human interaction to using the automated kiosk and will gladly wait the extra minute.* *Said on an internet forum
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May 7, 2014 18:37
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I tend to use the self checkout around here because I don't get the death eye for paying for organic vegetables with an EBT card.
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May 7, 2014 18:51
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Mike the TV posted:I do the opposite for moral reasons. Even if there is a line for the real cashier, I still prefer human interaction to using the automated kiosk and will gladly wait the extra minute.*
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May 7, 2014 19:01
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Do you guys think cashiers get commission or something?
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May 7, 2014 19:55
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Do you guys think cashiers get commission or something?
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May 7, 2014 20:13
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:If more people use the automated checkout lines the grocery store has an incentive to reduce the number of cashiers they employ and the hours they work. I calculated this out once, the amount of jobs generated by the designing/building/selling/constant repairs needed for these units is pretty close to the number of cashiering jobs lost and many of them pay better. Honestly it is less about saving money on paying 3 cashiers then it is having 3 less people to worry about scheduling/training/insuring.
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May 7, 2014 20:18
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Pfirti86 posted:I really like the automated kiosks at my Kroger. They do go down from time to time and sometimes they fail, but it's not a big deal and it's way faster to go through one of those sometimes than deal with standing in line for a cashier. I'm one of the people keeping the clerks employed, because any autokiosk I try to use (for grocery stores only, restaurants and the like are fine) will choke on its own innards, refuse to recognize that there are any pounds on the scale, or start shouting slogans of the Robot Revolution. It's easier to just have somebody else do it.
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May 7, 2014 20:21
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CapnAndy posted:Wawa, a regional convenience store chain in the Philly/NJ area, has self-serve kiosks to order sandwiches and specialty drinks from (you might remember Mitt Romney awkwardly praising them on a campaign stop). They're very popular and incredibly easy to use even for custom orders, so yeah, it's possible. Funny, I was just thinking about Wawa while reading the last few posts. The thing about the Wawa kiosks is that they make perfect sense for high volume stores, because they allow the people behind the deli counter to not spend their time writing down peoples orders, and spend that time actually making the sandwiches. There are many situations like this where automation frees up human resources so they can focus on other tasks. It is not always a matter of "let's keep employee pay low so the machines don't take our jobs!". If we ever get to a point where companies choose not to invest in any automation at all because you can pay human labor starvation wages than that's a bigger problem IMO. (I'm responding here specifically to the image macro that said raising minimum wage will lead to increased automation and that's always a bad thing.)
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May 7, 2014 20:26
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Got this on my facebook today from a Libertarian guy I know, who of course works as an auditor for the DoD (and then constantly complains about working for the government).
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May 7, 2014 21:56
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borkencode posted:As we all know, mechanization of low wage jobs is always a terrible thing for those who no longer do that job. It really depends on the surrounding economy. Is the need for production/employees greater than the number of people looking for employment in that field? Cool, automation is awesome. Are there more people looking for work in that field than jobs available? Not cool, you're actively undermining the economy for short term profits.
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Scruff McGruff posted:Got this on my facebook today from a Libertarian guy I know, who of course works as an auditor for the DoD (and then constantly complains about working for the government). It's the last part, the fact that he thinks this proposal is some sort of surprise or original, that really hurts. edit: reading the whole thing, are you sure it's not tongue-in-cheek? Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 7, 2014 |
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socialsecurity posted:I calculated this out once, the amount of jobs generated by the designing/building/selling/constant repairs needed for these units is pretty close to the number of cashiering jobs lost and many of them pay better.
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May 7, 2014 22:09
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Okonner posted:Man, the crossover between this thread and shitthatdidnthappen.txt really runs deep. I'm confused. Do you not believe me? I assure you that actually happened.
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May 7, 2014 22:48
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Scruff McGruff posted:Got this on my facebook today from a Libertarian guy I know, who of course works as an auditor for the DoD (and then constantly complains about working for the government). Boy, conservatives sure love to talk and talk about how much they love free markets until it happens to interfere with one of their shithead bigots. Then break out the tears about how unfair it is that a private company has the gall to shitcan two noisy fucks who engaged in demagogy that might turn off one of their core demographics.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:It really depends on the surrounding economy. Is the need for production/employees greater than the number of people looking for employment in that field? Cool, automation is awesome. Are there more people looking for work in that field than jobs available? Not cool, you're actively undermining the economy for short term profits. I'm of the opinion that any automation of human labor is good. The problem lies in the unequal distribution of the benefits of that automation.
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May 7, 2014 22:56
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Sharing a comment I saw, because it keeps making me laugh:quote:There is no substance to the notion that Obama is a huge failure? It's all hyperbole? Just so all you guys know: substantive proof that Obama is a major failure as a President. Don't even bother trying to argue otherwise. It's all right there.
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May 7, 2014 23:20
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The housing market improving is the return of the bubble! Run and hide, everyone!
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May 7, 2014 23:25
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borkencode posted:I'm of the opinion that any automation of human labor is good. The problem lies in the unequal distribution of the benefits of that automation. Well yeah, a perfect world would be nice, but as long as we're still in a lovely lopsided capitalist economy we should make decisions based on that and not what we'd do in a utopia.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Posted by a girl who went to school for an architecture degree who is now working a minimum wage job as a receptionist Wawa has automated ordering for its sandwiches. Shockingly, the store still employs plenty of people because food still has to be prepared. I've never worked fast food so I don't know, but judging from how it looks as a customer, it seems like the vast majority of people working at McDonald's at any given time are primarily there to make the food, not take orders.
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Swan Oat posted:Wawa has automated ordering for its sandwiches. Shockingly, the store still employs plenty of people because food still has to be prepared. The only fast food I ever worked in was KFC (6 years in 3 different KFCs, 2 in the US and 1 in France) and the vast majority worked in the kitchen, assembly area or drive through. The biggest I worked at had maybe 2 at the counter, 3 in the kitchen, 4 in the sandwich prep area and maybe 3 in the drive through, not counting the 2 managers floating around. It also had two self-serve kiosks that didn't really change much because the counter people would bring you the stuff you ordered anyway. Of course, the minimum wage here is 13.6 USD/hour so 
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