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Jose posted:They should just use the SPL for it. Nobody would care and the travel distance isn't too bad  euroboy posted:How you prevent clubs like Chelsea paying an 18 year old danish youth teamer £20k p/w before he's even played for the first team is a bit more complicated I guess. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-time-soon.html Islam Feruz was billed as the next big thing up here but is currently rotting in the Chelsea U21 team because they tapped him up and offered him stupid money. There needs to be some way to stop teams just hoovering every possible prospect and then letting them rot.
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Why is a young player playing for a youth team a bad thing?
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May 9, 2014 08:43
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jyrka posted:Why is a young player playing for a youth team a bad thing? It's only a bad thing when the super rich clubs buy prospective youth players only to put them in their youth team and forget about them, as they'll just buy established senior players anyway. The complaint is that these kids don't develop as England Expects because they don't see enough genuine competitive football.
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May 9, 2014 09:06
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Who was the last Chelsea youth team player to actually become a proper first team player. There are reports Newcastle are planning on selling a load of players from our youth team because they've not developed as wanted and aren't considered good enough any more. To be expected when Pardew never plays them and they didn't go out on loan
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May 9, 2014 09:08
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Jose posted:Who was the last Chelsea youth team player to actually become a proper first team player. There are reports Newcastle are planning on selling a load of players from our youth team because they've not developed as wanted and aren't considered good enough any more. To be expected when Pardew never plays them and they didn't go out on loan Sounds like Newcastle are as bad as Chelsea?
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May 9, 2014 09:10
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fat gay nonce posted:Sounds like Newcastle are as bad as Chelsea? At the minute pretty much we just don't do it with as many young players. Its a bit poo poo since I thought at least Bigirmana and Vuckic were going to be good enough  Edit: L'equipe are reporting that Newcastle and Villa have both contacted St Etienne about hiring their manager Jose fucked around with this message at 09:19 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 09:13
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Just so I'm clear on it, The FA are going to crowbar in an extra league above the Conference to essentially give the English national team a bigger pool of technically-inferior-to-their-European-counterparts homegrown players with which to choose a squad to fail in a major tournament? I'd also like to ask The FA when was the last time an English youth player snapped up by a major European team to put in their academy, in the same way the United grabbed Januzaj, etc? Dale Jennings to Bayern in 2011?
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May 9, 2014 09:22
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jyrka posted:Why is a young player playing for a youth team a bad thing? Its a good thing up until they need first team football and ends up getting shipped around to two or three clubs in the football league every season with a various degree of success. Very, very few of the youngsters at the "big clubs" ends up actually playing for them (in Arsenals case, the only academy players I can think of the last 10 years must be Cole, Gibbs and Wilshere), although I guess most of them goes on to have good professional careers somewhere else. To use Cardiffs Mats Møller Dæhli as another example - he was a part of Manchester Uniteds academy and had the choice of being shipped around on loan for a few years and maybe getting a shot at being in the first team squad after that or leaving permanently for first team football at a lower level. He went to Molde for a year, massively improved and he's impressed for Cardiff after that. Leaving United was the right thing to do, unless he wanted to play for a bunch of championship clubs every year.
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May 9, 2014 09:23
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jyrka posted:Why is a young player playing for a youth team a bad thing? If young players only get to play against other young players in meaningless kickabouts they are completely unprepared to play against the mass monsters that inhabit the Best League In The World(tm) the Competitive match time against poo poo lower league cloggers is vital to their development.
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May 9, 2014 09:24
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Cardiff are really poo poo, all of their January signings were absolute shite
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May 9, 2014 09:25
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TelekineticBear! posted:Cardiff are really poo poo, all of their January signings were absolute shite yeah but you should see the yacht they bought for 20le's agent
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May 9, 2014 09:28
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Eau de MacGowan posted:20le's Whats this nickname about
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May 9, 2014 09:31
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Eau de MacGowan posted:yeah but you should see the yacht they bought for 20le's agent Another failed ex-man united player turned manager, the list is just getting stupidly long now
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May 9, 2014 09:33
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Taff posted:Whats this nickname about isnt that what united fans call him? i see it all over youtube
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May 9, 2014 09:33
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Eau de MacGowan posted:isnt that what united fans call him? i see it all over youtube there is a banner with 20 LEGEND with the O LE highlighted but ive never seen him called 20le
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May 9, 2014 09:41
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well its easier to type than fumbling with js and ss and ks so thats why i typed it
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May 9, 2014 09:42
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I'd also like to ask The FA when was the last time an English youth player snapped up by a major European team to put in their academy, in the same way the United grabbed Januzaj, etc? About two years ago when Bayern signed Dale Jennings.
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May 9, 2014 10:15
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Taff posted:there is a banner with 20 LEGEND with the O LE highlighted but ive never seen him called 20le embarassing stuff
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May 9, 2014 10:26
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Spangly A posted:About two years ago when Bayern signed Dale Jennings. There was a kid at Atletico Madrid signed who Hull signed in January after his contract ran out
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May 9, 2014 10:28
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Jose posted:There was a kid at Atletico Madrid signed who Hull signed in January after his contract ran out Elliot Kebbie, he was snapped up by Atletico from Leeds a few years back for a £1million fee or something
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May 9, 2014 10:29
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TelekineticBear! posted:Elliot Kebbie, he was snapped up by Atletico from Leeds a few years back for a £1million fee or something Kebbie was from Leeds? I always assumed his parents were expats. The reason English kids don't get poached isn't to do with native talent, English clubs can give players proper contracts at 16 (which Spain and France definitely can't do, don't know about Germany) and we have far more money in the league than anyone but the constant CL presences in Europe. Didn't Barca try to snap up some English kids from Arsenal in retaliation for those two 16 year olds they poached a year or two ago?
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May 9, 2014 10:51
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Chelsea: not even once
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May 9, 2014 11:03
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You would think all these kids would look at what happens to other Chelsea "youth prospects" and decide maybe they should go somewhere else, but I guess the decision making of the average 16 year old wannabe professional footballer isn't that strong and it's hard to turn down the stacks of cash.
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May 9, 2014 11:15
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While we are terrible how many of the other top 4 have former youth teamers playing regularly for them?
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May 9, 2014 11:37
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Corrode posted:You would think all these kids would look at what happens to other Chelsea "youth prospects" and decide maybe they should go somewhere else, but I guess the decision making of the average 16 year old wannabe professional footballer isn't that strong and it's hard to turn down the stacks of cash. 16 year olds literally can't make good decisions because their brains aren't developed. Only those with undeveloped brains would sign as a youth player for Chelsea. Which is good for them, really, because FFP. Also yeah money.
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May 9, 2014 11:38
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They might never have made it the kind of level they'd dream about regardless of whether they rot at Chelsea, but they're definitely rich now whether they would or wouldn't have.
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May 9, 2014 11:38
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You also have an agent who wants a pay day, telling you you're definitely definitely good enough to be starting ahead of Hazard, Shurrle and Willian.
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May 9, 2014 11:40
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Spangly A posted:Didn't Barca try to snap up some English kids from Arsenal in retaliation for those two 16 year olds they poached a year or two ago? They offered a contract to Benik Afobe but he turned it down. They signed some bad players from Arsenal in retaliation for the kids they poached from them.
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May 9, 2014 11:43
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Working with the best coaches in the best facilities and training with and observing world class players are some big draws too.
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May 9, 2014 11:46
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Tbf while you might get a better chance of playing for arsenal than Chelsea, you will probably end up paralysed from the waist down at 30. Explains why arsenal players are getting these juicy analyst roles on tv
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May 9, 2014 11:46
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hadji murad posted:While we are terrible how many of the other top 4 have former youth teamers playing regularly for them? Liverpool have Gerrard, Flanno and Kelly. Sterling signed when he was 14 so probably counts. Then I suppose it's just Wilshire, Gibbs and Richards for the other 2.
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May 9, 2014 11:52
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Corrode posted:You would think all these kids would look at what happens to other Chelsea "youth prospects" and decide maybe they should go somewhere else, but I guess the decision making of the average 16 year old wannabe professional footballer isn't that strong and it's hard to turn down the stacks of cash. i know i keep moaning n about it but izzy brown is doing very well in the chelsea youth and it's a shame as he's a great player and was playing in our first team. he'll never see a minute of a meaningful chelsea match and its a huge waste
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May 9, 2014 12:34
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Strawman posted:Liverpool have Gerrard, Flanno and Kelly. Sterling signed when he was 14 so probably counts. Then I suppose it's just Wilshire, Gibbs and Richards for the other 2. Much better than us. Fake edit: we just signed a 16 year old from FC Zurich
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May 9, 2014 13:04
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Found this on twitter comparing England/Germany/Spain coaches. No wonder there are so fewer UEFA 'A' Coaches: England - 1,178 Germany - 5,500 Spain - 12,720 Cost of Course: England - £5,600 Germany - €530 Spain - €1,200
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May 9, 2014 13:12
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Jose posted:Found this on twitter comparing England/Germany/Spain coaches. No wonder there are so fewer English coaches need to pull themselves up by their boot straps or soon we'll all be taking naps and not going to the super markets on Sunday
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May 9, 2014 13:20
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The more I think about the FA proposal the madder I get, is there any reasonable argument that supports it? I dont think ive ever seen a stupider idea other than the whole get rid of relegation and promotion one
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May 9, 2014 13:49
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I think people are getting a bit silly with how angry they seem. It's just not a good idea, it's not rage inducing.
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May 9, 2014 13:53
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TelekineticBear! posted:The more I think about the FA proposal the madder I get, is there any reasonable argument that supports it? I dont think ive ever seen a stupider idea other than the whole get rid of relegation and promotion one I think its a great idea. Get rid of some of these two bob clubs that no on cares about. It'd certainly make my Football Manager games easier to play
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May 9, 2014 13:57
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About 200,000 people go to lower league games each match day. Lol who cares about football fans though
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May 9, 2014 14:06
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I'm hearing two slightly contradictory claims: 1) The lower leagues have a strong supporter culture, with fans who are fiercely loyal to their crappy teams. 2) All the loyal fans will abandon their crappy teams to go watch Manchester United B. I think it could be good for everyone, including bringing new fans to the lower divisions.
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