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Hakarne posted:I'm a left-leaning individual and I find these threads to be a valuable resource for political news, as well as for presenting fact-based arguments that convincingly advocate for progressive solutions. I would recommend these threads to anyone looking for an objective view on the state of politics in the U.S. Oh hey guys we just crashed the world economy and destroyed the savings that we told you were totally safe in your 401Ks and then placed the blame squarely on poor people for getting loans from us that we knew they couldn't afford, and then we sold those loans as securities that we also assured everyone were totally secure even though we knew it was bullshit, but why would anyone feel violent towards us? Just because some people killed themselves, had their lives ruined, or got divorced because of our actions you think we're somehow guilty? Technically what we did wasn't a crime!
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No, see, it's totally different because they are the Good Guys who only vote for the Good Team. You just aren't as Good as them, ergo you are now 1000000% Bad. My unevolved lizard brain cannot comprehend things like decency.
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May 9, 2014 15:11
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BUSH 2112 posted:Oh hey guys we just crashed the world economy and destroyed the savings that we told you were totally safe in your 401Ks and then placed the blame squarely on poor people for getting loans from us that we knew they couldn't afford, and then we sold those loans as securities that we also assured everyone were totally secure even though we knew it was bullshit, but why would anyone feel violent towards us? Just because some people killed themselves, had their lives ruined, or got divorced because of our actions you think we're somehow guilty? Technically what we did wasn't a crime! I guess the question is "is anyone ITT actually someone who suffered significantly or are we just all circle jerking about the revolution".
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May 9, 2014 15:13
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computer parts posted:I guess the question is "is anyone ITT actually someone who suffered significantly or are we just all circle jerking about the revolution". The sheer leftism of D&D and the number of threads we have devoted to helping people get jobs and manage their finances and you're doubting that there are people here who have been personally affected by the recession???
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May 9, 2014 15:18
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ShadowCatboy posted:You guys remember that Onion article about the dude being super passionate about his historically inaccurate understanding of the Constitution? Well once again comedy mirrors reality as Cliven Bundy gives terrible, terrible lectures on YouTube. Oh my. Please, please keep talking all the way to November. I actually hope that the Dems just try and keep him in the news to sabotage the GOP. Motherfuckers deserve to wallow in their own filth.
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May 9, 2014 15:19
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computer parts posted:I guess the question is "is anyone ITT actually someone who suffered significantly or are we just all circle jerking about the revolution". I doubt that there are many Americans in this thread who didn't have their lives significantly affected by what happened. And it's the whole system. Those bankers are the ones who bankroll the companies that bankroll the politicians that pass lovely policies that hurt people. I'd prefer that there was never political violence, but I'll be honest: I'd be okay with 100 rich people being murdered to save the life of one laborer. Because they're loving parasites.
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May 9, 2014 15:20
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Who What Now posted:No, see, it's totally different because they are the Good Guys who only vote for the Good Team. You just aren't as Good as them, ergo you are now 1000000% Bad. My unevolved lizard brain cannot comprehend things like decency. Maybe its about time we declare that people with such lizard brains are not exactly human.
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May 9, 2014 15:23
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gradenko_2000 posted:The sheer leftism of D&D and the number of threads we have devoted to helping people get jobs and manage their finances and you're doubting that there are people here who have been personally affected by the recession??? Do we have these in D&D? I thought those were primarily in BFC.
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May 9, 2014 15:23
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BUSH 2112 posted:I doubt that there are many Americans in this thread who didn't have their lives significantly affected by what happened. And it's the whole system. Those bankers are the ones who bankroll the companies that bankroll the politicians that pass lovely policies that hurt people. I'd prefer that there was never political violence, but I'll be honest: I'd be okay with 100 rich people being murdered to save the life of one laborer. Because they're loving parasites. Luckily, you've used the vaguest terms possible for absurdly huge swaths of people in complicated sectors, so you can point to the worst of the worst for someone you don't like, and the most innocent and cool and good person for the group you do like
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May 9, 2014 15:25
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I have to admit I do become more sympathetic to Robespierre as we get further and further from 2008 without many consequences to anyone with a net worth over a million USD.
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May 9, 2014 15:25
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Buffer posted:I have to admit I do become more sympathetic to Robespierre as we get further and further from 2008 without many consequences to anyone with a net worth over a million USD. That's an awfully arbitrary number. Why should there be consequences to someone with that net worth?
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May 9, 2014 15:26
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Documented_problems Sorry, I was misremembering it...maybe. quote:
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May 9, 2014 15:28
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computer parts posted:I guess the question is "is anyone ITT actually someone who suffered significantly or are we just all circle jerking about the revolution". Hi. I had to sleep on my friend's couch for four months because of the 2008 crash. Go gently caress yourself.
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May 9, 2014 15:28
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Buffer posted:I have to admit I do become more sympathetic to Robespierre as we get further and further from 2008 without many consequences to anyone with a net worth over a million USD. So anyone who made regular IRA contributions?
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May 9, 2014 15:28
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Necc0 posted:Hi. I had to sleep on my friend's couch for four months because of the 2008 crash. Go gently caress yourself. Do you wish death upon people in the finance sector?
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May 9, 2014 15:28
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Stultus Maximus posted:So anyone who made regular IRA contributions? Your IRA is over a million bucks?
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May 9, 2014 15:29
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tbp posted:Do you wish death upon people in the finance sector? I sure as poo poo did at the time.
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May 9, 2014 15:29
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tbp posted:That's an awfully arbitrary number. Why should there be consequences to someone with that net worth? Good point, let's change the bar to tbp's net worth -$1.
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May 9, 2014 15:30
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tbp posted:That's an awfully arbitrary number. Why should there be consequences to someone with that net worth? Because a pithy phrase like "eat the rich" doesn't necessitate an actual figure. Come on dude, don't be a pedant
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May 9, 2014 15:30
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Good point, let's change the bar to tbp's net worth -$1. What makes you assume that? And regardless, how would my person net worth factor into my previous post?
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May 9, 2014 15:31
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There's a certain amount of bald-faced fuckery in every presidential election. Claims of election stealing in Ohio basically amount to claiming the margin of victory was within the error bars. It's not that out there. By the way, Hacking Democracy (2007) is an award winning HBO investigative journalism piece into how ludicrously insecure electronic voting machines are. It seems to have hit the 'free documentary' circuit so you can find it pretty easy.
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May 9, 2014 15:31
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Necc0 posted:I sure as poo poo did at the time. Interesting. Did you do anything in the time since regarding financial regulations, legislation, etc?
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May 9, 2014 15:31
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Crowsbeak posted:Maybe its about time we declare that people with such lizard brains are not exactly human. As much as they don't act like it, goons are humans too.
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May 9, 2014 15:32
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Buffer posted:Your IRA is over a million bucks? No, but I also haven't been working and contributing for 30 years.
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May 9, 2014 15:34
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Buffer posted:Your IRA is over a million bucks? If you make regular, even relatively small, contributions from an early age, by the time you retire your IRA can easily be 1m or north of that. It only requires a small amount of discipline re: saving, but that's the magic of compound interest.
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May 9, 2014 15:34
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Will Black put thousands (no exaggeration) of bankers behind bars in the 80's and early 90's for the poo poo they pulled off during the S&L Crisis which was by all accounts (from Black) and documentation was less obvious and gregarious than what the what the current pack of bankers have gotten away with during the Global Credit Crisis. 
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May 9, 2014 15:42
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Ravenfood posted:I would love a source on this. Not being facetious, I really would. AP article: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6418513/ns/politics-voting_problems/t/machine-glitch-gave-bush-extra-ohio-votes/ quote:COLUMBUS, Ohio — An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said. Bush didn't steal Ohio or anything, but there was definitely some fuckery going on. E: to expand a bit more, I was being facetious and piling on the false equivalency that birthers are the exact same as people who say that the 2000 and 2004 elections had some Messed Up poo poo. The primary difference is that one is based within reality and the other is not. Phone fucked around with this message at 15:45 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 15:42
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theshim posted:Holy poo poo, reading this and a bunch of the related articles is simultaneously awesome and terrifying. What the hell is wrong with everything. See the thread title
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May 9, 2014 15:45
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tbp posted:If you make regular, even relatively small, contributions from an early age, by the time you retire your IRA can easily be 1m or north of that. It only requires a small amount of discipline re: saving, but that's the magic of compound interest. absolutely, everyone should be saving for retirement as soon as you start working. Even 25 bucks a week at 5 percent interest can make a huge difference in 40 years. ($165,930.94)
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Fried Chicken posted:See the thread title 
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May 9, 2014 15:47
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tbp posted:Interesting. Did you do anything in the time since regarding financial regulations, legislation, etc? I sure do hope you're not trying to lay the blame for the lack of consequences the rich who perpetrated the crash endured, on the working man who lost their livelyhood. Because that is sure where it seems you are going with this.
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May 9, 2014 15:54
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tbp posted:Interesting. Did you do anything in the time since regarding financial regulations, legislation, etc? "Do anything?" Who the gently caress do you think we are, Tim Geithner? e: Tim Geithner's anguished though quote:“Our job was to fix it, not to make people like us.” Later, though, he softened and qualified the statement. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 16:02 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 15:58
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“I’m human, and I like to be liked,”
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Talmonis posted:I sure do hope you're not trying to lay the blame for the lack of consequences the rich who perpetrated the crash endured, on the working man who lost their livelyhood. Because that is sure where it seems you are going with this. No blame - I'm more curious if feeling the effects of the recession manifests itself as latent ill-will toward a relatively vague group ("the bankers") or if it spurs action. All the OWS stuff was interesting to me both in terms of what it did accomplish and what it didn't. I'm also very interested in the people that both felt the effect of the recession harshly but still were against the OWS movement on seemingly superficial grounds ("They're hippies!"). That's a very curious sort of cognitive dissonance to me. Personally I would put the fault for all the actions with the government a lot moreso than the financial institutions. You can expect a private individual to act within the confines given to them and push the limits as much as possible - when they cross that line I think the punishment should come from the people designated to dole it out. Granted, I don't hold any murderous anger toward either set of individuals (I see that as hypocrisy to be honest), but were I to assign blame it would overwhelmingly be on the administration I suppose.
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May 9, 2014 15:59
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tbp posted:Interesting. Did you do anything in the time since regarding financial regulations, legislation, etc? Kinda curious what you expect him to have done. We just had a study released in regards to this exact thing, i.e. if you aren't part of the oligopoly you don't mean poo poo and can't regulate/legislate anything. If he was on someone's couch for awhile because of the 2008 crisis he's most likely not a 1%-er, and if he's not what can he be expected to do with regards to financial regulations or legislation?
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Cimber posted:absolutely, everyone should be saving for retirement as soon as you start working. Even 25 bucks a week at 5 percent interest can make a huge difference in 40 years. ($165,930.94) I think the problem is that wages are the same, but costs keep rising. Investing looks more and more like a scam; with rolling crashes that destroy these retirement dreams. Compound interest is the force crushing the have-nots right now, so I don't see how it can help without arbitrary rules.
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May 9, 2014 16:01
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theshim posted:Emphasis on everything indeed Maybe President Sanders will coax him out of retirement.
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May 9, 2014 16:02
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Femur posted:I think the problem is that wages are the same, but costs keep rising. Investing looks more and more like a scam; with rolling crashes that destroy these retirement dreams. as long as your ROR is greater than changes in the CPI, you are fine. Typically CPI changes are about 1.5 - 3 percent growth annually, so even a 5 percent ROR will leave you in the black.
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tbp posted:No blame - I'm more curious if feeling the effects of the recession manifests itself as latent ill-will toward a relatively vague group ("the bankers") It's not a vague group, it's just a bigger group than makes you comfortable.
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tbp posted:No blame - I'm more curious if feeling the effects of the recession manifests itself as latent ill-will toward a relatively vague group ("the bankers") or if it spurs action. All the OWS stuff was interesting to me both in terms of what it did accomplish and what it didn't. I'm also very interested in the people that both felt the effect of the recession harshly but still were against the OWS movement on seemingly superficial grounds ("They're hippies!"). That's a very curious sort of cognitive dissonance to me. I did go to a few of my city's OWS protests but it was quickly apparent that not only were they not going to accomplish anything but they were incapable of it as well. I was mostly concerned with getting my life back on track but I did participate in local primaries + contributed to civil discourse. Not like that accomplished anything either. I should note that if it WERE apparent that OWS WAS capable of actually getting its poo poo in order and accomplishing things, I would have been willing to contribute a bunch of time & effort to the cause.
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SedanChair posted:It's not a vague group, it's just a bigger group than makes you comfortable. I don't think you know what people who work at banks do.
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