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PaybackJack posted:The most shocking twists usually come from people you don't expect. In this situation, i'm going to say Nick Fury fits that bill perfectly. He doesn't ask to go along with everyone, Cap puts him in charge, he's the exact type of guy who'd do a means justify the ends type reasoning as to why he had to kill the watcher and take one of his eyes. Calling in a second group to come ransack the place and cover his tracks is right up his alley and he can always use the out that it's another LMD gone bad like Max Fury. I agree -- I think Fury's definitely behind this.
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Here's some small observations. What we are meant to take from reading the issue is to see that the Watcher is dead and that his eyes were carved out and his tech closet raided. However this is likely not correct. While the eyes were removed post mortem, there is no guarantee that whomever killed the Watcher, set out with the intention of taking his eyes. Consider this. The Watcher was killed by a professional (as per the analysis of the body.) Yet the shot was to the Watcher's head, into the brain. If the murderers intention was to rob the Watchers eyes after killing him it stands to reason that they would not have gone with a head shot and risked damaging one of the eyes. What does all this mean? I think it is likely the person who killed the Watcher and the ones who robbed his home and his corpse are not one in the same. We could be dealing with two, potentially three parties. (After all, who says that the thief had to have taken BOTH eyes. The people at the end of the issue are shown with One Eye which is most likely Utah's Eye. But the second Eye could have been taken by someone else.) The theory that the person who killed the Watcher didn't take his stuff afterwards runs into a problem. How likely is it that someone would break in and steal the Watcher's stuff just after he'd been killed. It seems like too big a coincidence, until you consider that Marvel released a Anthology One shot about a year or so ago, where the framing story was about the Watcher going into a cosmic type of sleep to sort out his brain. As this happens, two mysterious figures in Space Suits show up to move around his home to do something. The details are a little lost on me, but it's likely that there are parties who have been monitoring the Blue Area of the Moon and were waiting for just the right time to take stuff, and decided to do so in the aftermath of this robbery. If we go with this theory, the question then becomes, why did the murderer kill the Watcher? Removing greed as a motive we are left with two likely possibilities. A deep, personal grudge. Say anger at the Watcher for not interfering in an event, or anger at something that Utah's people have done. (The 0 issue helpfully reminds us that an entire race of beings were wiped out by Utah's people's meddling. Maybe that is why he did it.) The other motive could be to keep something a secret. Utah sees everything, maybe the killer wanted him silenced. The Nick Fury theory has been floated and it's plausible. On the other hand Nick seems to be doing an active job investigating the case so it could be someone else. One final point. I initially took the person talking to T'Challa to be Tony Stark, giving the Illuminati link and all. However it is clear that he is someone else, someone very well connected who can organize people on a grand scale. (This could indeed be Nick Fury. It could also be Bruce Banner or Amedeus Cho.) But look at the page where he's on the phone. If you look at his hands he appears to be holding a giant, glowing green bullet. Very similar to the fragments the Widow pulls out of Utah. Is he the murderer, sending the teams on a wild goose chase? Steering the investigation in the direction he wants it to go? Or is he someone who has already figured out the murder weapon and is conducting his own investigation? If so this person is truly a Great Detective. So in conclusion, my guess is that Batman did it. The Pre-52 Batman, obviously.
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May 9, 2014 19:55
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Could it be that the murderer puts getting Uatu's eyes as a step 1 on his plan? Perhaps this wild goose chase, more than leading to discovering/never finding the murderer, is crucial to a bigger scheme, like wikileaking something in Uatu's eye?
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May 9, 2014 20:01
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I want the mystery to be bugfuck crazypants poo poo. Like Fury and Odin steal the eyes to give them maximum knowledge type of poo poo.
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May 9, 2014 20:22
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FilthyImp posted:I want the mystery to be bugfuck crazypants poo poo. Anyway, whoever has the Watcher's eyes, granted they can use them (I would assume they do, why else would they take them) wouldn't they be able to see who was coming after them? Who's going to beat them or betray them?
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May 9, 2014 20:27
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I could see a hero doing it because these massive events (Fear Itself, Infinity, etc.) keep happening and loving poo poo up on a massive scale and they want to figure out a way to deduce when these things are happening in advance to try and prevent/mitigate the damage they cause. "poo poo, the Watcher always shows up when things are about to get REALLY bad but he never actively helps (well except for a couple of times). If I had the ability to know this stuff, I'd make sure it never happens. I mean, killing one dude against saving billions? Makes sense to me!" OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 20:54
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The Question IRL posted:
I'm on board!
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May 9, 2014 21:23
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I can see why people are predicting Fury, but I can't help but shake the gut feeling that it's Bucky. He's got the skills to pull it off and I feel that he's about done as a hero in the publication sense. His solo run fizzled out and all he really has going for him is a team comic that isn't exactly setting the world on fire. He doesn't have much going on, so you might as well make him a bad guy. Plus it would finally give us some payoff on that Next Avengers arc Bendis did years back.
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May 9, 2014 22:09
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If Nick Fury is involved I really want him to be hiding one of the eyes in his own empty eye socket, covered by the eye patch.
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May 9, 2014 23:02
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I was thinking this would end with Fury as the new Watcher somehow. Also, I wonder if the Watcher's wife and baby that were brought up in FF will be addressed, or if that's just going to be passed off as a joke.
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May 9, 2014 23:12
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I think it was an act of jealousy. Look at that guilty face!
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May 9, 2014 23:29
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Gavok posted:I can see why people are predicting Fury, but I can't help but shake the gut feeling that it's Bucky. He's got the skills to pull it off and I feel that he's about done as a hero in the publication sense. His solo run fizzled out and all he really has going for him is a team comic that isn't exactly setting the world on fire. He doesn't have much going on, so you might as well make him a bad guy. I doubt it as they did just have the captain america movie where he was seen as a victim, and looks like he is being set up as a hero. I doubt they would then turn him into a badguy.
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May 9, 2014 23:37
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Bucky is good but he's not "taking down the Watcher" good. I'm guessing it's someone looking for Thanos. You know what gently caress it, it was Richard Rider.
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May 9, 2014 23:42
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IUG posted:I think it was an act of jealousy. And he is a secret assassin. (and the worst)
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May 10, 2014 00:01
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here: the first screen the mystery dude sends T'Challa shows dire wraiths. What the hell do they have to do with anything?
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May 10, 2014 03:32
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head58 posted:One thing I haven't seen mentioned here: the first screen the mystery dude sends T'Challa shows dire wraiths. What the hell do they have to do with anything? The shooter was ROM.
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May 10, 2014 03:35
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Rhyno posted:The shooter was ROM. The Watcher was really a Wraith guys, trust me.
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May 10, 2014 03:50
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DynamicSloth posted:The Watcher was really a Wraith guys, trust me. ...I think.
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May 10, 2014 03:56
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I just read the Infinity Gaunlet after not reading it in several years and I suspecting Adam Warlock to be the killer He suppose to be the Space Jesus of the Marvel Universe but he comes off as a huge dick in the book by gathering up all the heroes only to just let them all die because he just wanted to stall. Plus the whole deal with his evil form Magus.
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May 10, 2014 07:30
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So was the .1 promo book with the 2 suited characters infiltrating the Watcher's base a lead-in prior to the event being given to Aaron? I need to dig that book out. Edit: Jeez, that was released in 2011. I have to imagine the planned story has changed a good bit since then.
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May 10, 2014 08:36
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Rhyno posted:The shooter was ROM. I would buy ALL THE COPIES.
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May 10, 2014 10:08
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Taskmaster stole the second eye, so now he knows every fighting move that has ever been preformed at any point in time.
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May 10, 2014 10:31
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Rirse posted:I just read the Infinity Gaunlet after not reading it in several years and I suspecting Adam Warlock to be the killer He suppose to be the Space Jesus of the Marvel Universe but he comes off as a huge dick in the book by gathering up all the heroes only to just let them all die because he just wanted to stall. Plus the whole deal with his evil form Magus. Apparently Marvel told Starlin he couldn't use Warlock in the Thanos graphic novel he's working on... Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 10:53 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 10:49
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Madrox posted:So was the .1 promo book with the 2 suited characters infiltrating the Watcher's base a lead-in prior to the event being given to Aaron? I need to dig that book out. Yes. This was originally going to be a Brubaker event ages ago but obviously he left Marvel. I think everybody had just dropped it until it was asked around at a retreat and Aaron went "eh I think I can do something with that".
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Having reread issue 1 I think the killer was Frank Castle. The guy talking to T'Challa has another glowing green bullet so let's makena leap and assume he's the killer. The mystery guy isn't on hostile terms with Panther so its probably not some villain. Based on the dialogue T'Challa seems to suggest mystery guy wouldn't t have gotten the alert Cap sent out. The dude also suggests he's more comfortable with more extend methods than the Avengers. Going by the art (a dangerous trap, yes) he's a white male with straight hair (ruling out Reed) and no visible funky ears (not Namor) or prominent facial hair or eyewear. All those things line up for Frank to me. Nick's little soliloquy about it being a clean shot and someone who has killed before? Check. And who else is going to use a gun to kill a major cosmic entity. Motive? I honestly don't know if Frank ever ran into the Watcher but im sure he'd hate the guy. Just standing there when he could have intervened and stopped so much evil? And also interested in exposing the sins of all these supposedly morally superior "heroes". It all adds up to Frank to me. Of course this could all be bullshit. It's probably Mephisto.
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Gatts posted:It's going to be Nick Fury as the master mind, who needs the Watcher's Eyes to do his job and save the universe, enlisting the aid of villains to throw the scent off. Who killed the Watcher though? That'd be triggerman and agent, Uncle Ben. Wait till you see what Agent Stacy's been up to. Basically if they died and were important, Nick's been using them as agents. Their bodies? LMDs. Clearly, the culprits are Peter Parker's parents. BAM! Amazing Spider-man 2 tie in. Or, y'know, maybe Jean Loring accidentally jumped into the Watcher's head via a phone call and popped out his eye on the way out. Possibly by means of a flame thrower, for some reason.
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FilthyImp posted:I want the mystery to be bugfuck crazypants poo poo. The mythological Odin is missing an eye - he cut it out in exchange for unlimited cosmic knowledge. I don't know if this is already incorporated into the history of Marvel's Odin, but it would be an interesting parallel.
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A_Ruse! posted:The mythological Odin is missing an eye - he cut it out in exchange for unlimited cosmic knowledge. I don't know if this is already incorporated into the history of Marvel's Odin, but it would be an interesting parallel. If so he is not the only one that has plucked out their own eye in a quest for GEM SUPREMACY!
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May 10, 2014 19:18
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PaybackJack posted:If so he is not the only one that has plucked out their own eye in a quest for GEM SUPREMACY! I like DeFalco/Ryan FF more than I probably should...
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Metal Loaf posted:Apparently Marvel told Starlin he couldn't use Warlock in the Thanos graphic novel he's working on... That's very interesting. Also I wonder if whoever killed the Watcher also killed the Living Tribunal as well.
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A_Ruse! posted:The mythological Odin is missing an eye - he cut it out in exchange for unlimited cosmic knowledge. I don't know if this is already incorporated into the history of Marvel's Odin, but it would be an interesting parallel. Back during Disassembled the Thor story at the time involved all the Asgardian characters dying because Ragnarok (not the robot). Since Odin gave up one of his eyes for power, Thor has to pluck both of his out because he had to one-up him for some reason. So at least in theory Marvel Odin gave up the eye rather just lost it some where.
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May 10, 2014 21:00
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PaybackJack posted:If so he is not the only one that has plucked out their own eye in a quest for GEM SUPREMACY! That's part of the thing behind Nick Fury. He has knowledge of the dark and behind the scenes of the MU and foresight.
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May 10, 2014 21:45
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A_Ruse! posted:The mythological Odin is missing an eye - he cut it out in exchange for unlimited cosmic knowledge. I don't know if this is already incorporated into the history of Marvel's Odin, but it would be an interesting parallel. Odin is currently dead, but he does only have 1 eye.
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PaybackJack posted:The most shocking twists usually come from people you don't expect. In this situation, i'm going to say Nick Fury fits that bill perfectly. He doesn't ask to go along with everyone, Cap puts him in charge, he's the exact type of guy who'd do a means justify the ends type reasoning as to why he had to kill the watcher and take one of his eyes. Calling in a second group to come ransack the place and cover his tracks is right up his alley and he can always use the out that it's another LMD gone bad like Max Fury. Fury: Did you tell them I was here? Cap: No. I didn't know if you were still were. Fury: Good. I don't know if I am either. Obviously on surface, it's just Fury unsure if he's getting involved. But I did wonder if it was some foreshadowing. If Fury was the one who actually took the shot then at least some of the Fury we see in this issue is a LMD. Which could open up some weirdness if the LMD is functioning autonomously, doesn't know it's an LMD, and is basically chasing itself.
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May 11, 2014 01:55
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I just hope it not Fury. They are already pushed him out of the Marvel universe for the most part, now they want to just make him a villain out of nowhere?
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May 11, 2014 02:56
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Skwirl posted:Odin is currently dead, but he does only have 1 eye. Wait...Odin is still dead? Was this from Ragnarok? So is Balder still ruling Asgard or is that Thor?
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Rirse posted:I just hope it not Fury. They are already pushed him out of the Marvel universe for the most part, now they want to just make him a villain out of nowhere? This is secretly an adaptation of Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, it explains the unconventional team-ups
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Rirse posted:I just hope it not Fury. They are already pushed him out of the Marvel universe for the most part, now they want to just make him a villain out of nowhere? I think the idea is that this would be his swan song so Fury Jr. can be the official one. He's going to go out on a controversial note or something like his whole character I'd imagine.
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Dacap posted:This is secretly an adaptation of Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, it explains the unconventional team-ups Oh I forgot about that game and I even have the DLCs for it too! (since they been delisted for years)
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WickedHate posted:If Nick Fury is involved I really want him to be hiding one of the eyes in his own empty eye socket, covered by the eye patch. He still has two eyes, his eyepatch eye is just all hosed up.
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