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This is ridiculous. They don't have "conclusive" endings because they completely arbitrarily cut off at 10 minutes. Well the 10 minute cutoff isn't arbitrary because it is the exact minimum of time needed for a video to run the more expensive full ads. No matter what happened in a video, they "sign off" as soon as they can be bothered after 10 minutes because that's all they need to maximize ad revenue and maximize video output. I agree with the other guy that game grumps are terrible in the same ways other bad youtube channels are and its weird that this thread presents them as different (also egoraptor is literally one of the dumbest persons I've ever heard speak). I just thought it was funny that the dark souls community would be the one to call them out on not even trying to play games because they need to be "zany" or whatever.
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So It Goes posted:I agree with the other guy that game grumps are terrible in the same ways other bad youtube channels are and its weird that this thread presents them as different (also egoraptor is literally one of the dumbest persons I've ever heard speak). I just thought it was funny that the dark souls community would be the one to call them out on not even trying to play games because they need to be "zany" or whatever. Pretty much what the Dark Souls community does is poo poo on people for playing games wrong. Granted this is one of the few times they'd be actually right but whatever. And yeah Game Grumps are pretty typical YouTuber trash and this thread praising them while simultaneously condemning others who aren't different is a pretty bizarre double standard. Like, more power to you if you can get into the zany antics of these two men in particular but they're not doing anything different from the many other YouTube personalities doing zany things.
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May 10, 2014 16:25
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I'll be honest, it was Game Grumps that introduced me to Let's Plays. They used to be far, far different from what they are now. And not just talking about the difference between Jon and Danny, but even different from a few months ago. With Jon and Arin, GG was a show that I genuinely liked because it was two dudes playing a game and having a great time. They riffed off each other, they made fun of each other, they ripped on the game if it was bad or said what they liked about it when it was good. Sure Arin's kind of a dick and Jon screamed a lot but they were funny (to me) and I enjoyed them. When Jon left the atmosphere changed, but only slightly. Danny didn't have as much interest in games past 1990 and most of the episodes were him watching Arin play and contributing stories, but even those could be pretty funny. But as time went on you could tell it was Arin running the show and a lot of the back-and-forth I enjoyed was gone because Danny was clearly under his thumb. Then it got to a point where each episode had a formula: Arin plays a game without paying attention to the rules, he bitches and moans about how it sucks when the viewer is going crazy over him missing a major detail, Danny tells 5 stories, Arin acts like what a white guy who's never seen a "gangsta" thinks a "gangsta" is, and then they told you to subscribe, something they've made fun of others in the past for over and over. I understand that some of the other changes I won't go into detail about (awkward new social media interaction, involving his wife, etc) are clearly business moves because now they're NOT just two guys playing video games - they are a legitimate business that makes money. But the formulaic structure and the disappointing shift of power is what made me stop watching. Also, their fan base SUCKS.
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So It Goes posted:This is ridiculous. They don't have "conclusive" endings because they completely arbitrarily cut off at 10 minutes. Well the 10 minute cutoff isn't arbitrary because it is the exact minimum of time needed for a video to run the more expensive full ads. No matter what happened in a video, they "sign off" as soon as they can be bothered after 10 minutes because that's all they need to maximize ad revenue and maximize video output. So It Goes posted:I agree with the other guy that game grumps are terrible in the same ways other bad youtube channels are and its weird that this thread presents them as different (also egoraptor is literally one of the dumbest persons I've ever heard speak). I just thought it was funny that the dark souls community would be the one to call them out on not even trying to play games because they need to be "zany" or whatever.
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May 10, 2014 16:29
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Jamesman posted:Nothing as overt as "In China they say cat very delicious. Harurururururu!" But more than a few times, they have fallen back on "thick stereotypical Asian accent" as a humor crutch. Look up "Sad Hoshi" for an example; A sad Japanese businessman who is too polite to share his troubles with anyone else, so he finds solace in child pornography. You just made that sound really funny actually
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May 10, 2014 16:40
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Nihilarian posted:They'll often do a 15 or even 20 minute video if they feel they haven't done enough, or if they're at the finale and want to present it as one episode. 15 minute videos once in a blue moon?! Sorry I questioned their integrity.
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May 10, 2014 16:50
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I find Game Grumps to be okay. I'm subscribed to their channel on the off chance that one of their eighty videos a day might be on a game I actually care about. They're not amazing or anything but they have some funny moments and they aren't as obvious about their money-shilling as a lot of people and they seem to appreciate their fans so I'm not sure why everyone is so angry? If they're just mediocre iyo don't watch them. If they're awful people in general then that's a different story. I haven't seem anything overtly offensive to myself in the videos I've watched so shrug.
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May 10, 2014 17:41
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muike posted:You just made that sound really funny actually Yeah, Sad Hoshi actually sounds pretty good when you write it like that.
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May 10, 2014 17:48
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Here's the Sad Hoshi bit in question. (It goes on for the rest of the video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mFEAyzH0M&t=267s
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May 10, 2014 17:50
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http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?350177-(Let-s-Play)-Undying This is actually a pretty good off-site LP of Undying.
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May 10, 2014 18:02
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Speedball posted:http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?350177-(Let-s-Play)-Undying  an SSLP outside SA, that's something you don't see everyday. And it even looks pretty solidE: V Oh god that means at least two people have played that game in it's entirety. Way more than it deserves. Danaru fucked around with this message at 18:17 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 18:13
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From the same forum, there's also an old Limbo of the Lost LP which is pretty great. I think I've read the whole thing at least twice.
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May 10, 2014 18:14
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Danaru posted:
There's some boards with a surprising amount of them that aren't too bad. I actually wanted to recommend a pretty comprehensive (so far) ongoing Dragon Age:Origins one, except it has a tiny little problem... Whoever's running it has ridiculously huge images. They don't look bad, they're just have a crazy filesize.
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May 10, 2014 18:24
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slowbeef posted:Is there some really good poo poo of theirs to temper this opinion I am forming? Out of This World Space Quest IV King's Quest V Leisure Suit Larry Maniac Mansion The Goonies II
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May 10, 2014 18:25
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Danaru posted:
There's plenty of SSLPs all over the internet. For example, on Dwarf Fortress and Order of the Stick forums. Both are lovely places, though, which I assume extends to LPs there.
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May 10, 2014 18:29
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Roar posted:They're not amazing or anything but they have some funny moments and they aren't as obvious about their money-shilling as a lot of people and they seem to appreciate their fans so I'm not sure why everyone is so angry? Getting inexplicably mad at un-noteworthy things seems to be what this thread's about.
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May 10, 2014 18:30
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bobjr posted:The Game Grumps have racism in them? (That said, Arin's "impression of Jon" starting at immediately after, at 5:35 - I recall that being one of my favorite moments from the brief period I followed them.)
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May 10, 2014 18:45
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The Gaming Grumps are a phenomenon I don't understand, because everyone seems to have in-depth knowledge of them, their personal lives, and all their thousands of flaws, yet still watch them religiously. And the videos themselves just seem kind of uninteresting to me. It's like if RichardGamingo became a celebrity or something.
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May 10, 2014 18:49
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The Gaming Grumps are a phenomenon I don't understand, because everyone seems to have in-depth knowledge of them, their personal lives, and all their thousands of flaws, yet still watch them religiously. And the videos themselves just seem kind of uninteresting to me. Even if people hate you they'll still watch your stuff if you're active enough.
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May 10, 2014 19:27
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gameplusmeagan posted:I'll be honest, it was Game Grumps that introduced me to Let's Plays. They used to be far, far different from what they are now. And not just talking about the difference between Jon and Danny, but even different from a few months ago. Yeah, that's kinda what I meant earlier. They're not doing it because they're having a good time, they're doing it because it's become their job in the most literal sense and now they're stuck doing it, so they just kind of do the bare minimum required so they can pay their bills (also like doing a job you hate!). I think that's why the offensive material has stepped up lately; they're just at a loss for anything interesting to say so they poop out whatever shits into their mind, and if that's some gross sexual poo poo then so be it, who needs to give an audience like theirs credit anyway? I feel like what they really need to do is set up Patreons for their respective creative endeavors, maybe advertise them a bit for a month or so with ominous hinting, then put out a video saying, "look guys, you know and we know that Grumps is poo poo now, we're not having fun with it anymore, so if you want to see more from us donate to these Patreons so we can get paid to do things we love, but that isn't Grumps anymore so let's just let it die."
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But the formulaic structure and the disappointing shift of power is what made me stop watching.
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Shadow Hog posted:It's bleeped out with a "dude, Jon, not funny", but it's still pretty obvious what Jon's saying. To be honest, I think that's rather commendable - it shows some degree of quality control on the part of Game Grumps as a whole that when one of their members crosses a line, they remove it from the final product. Maybe they don't always do it, but if you want to say "Game Grumps are racist" as opposed to "one member of Game Grumps is racist and the collective rejects those views", you should probably find a better example for that.
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I don't know, maybe I have a different opinion on humor than most, but I think that light racial/homosexual humor can be funny, if done right. The problem is, that doing it right is a lot more complex if you want it to actually be FUNNY. 90% of the racial/homosexual (or even white/straight 'jokes' for that matter) revolve around statements like. "OH WOW, HE'S WEARING A PINK SHIRT, THAT'S SO GAY.", or "LOOK AT HIM EAT THAT FRIED CHICKEN, HE MUST'VE BEEN BORN IN COMPTON.". Which isn't funny at all, at least for me. Humor is subjective sure, being a moron isn't.
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Dr. Buttass posted:Yeah, that's kinda what I meant earlier. They're not doing it because they're having a good time, they're doing it because it's become their job in the most literal sense and now they're stuck doing it, so they just kind of do the bare minimum required so they can pay their bills (also like doing a job you hate!). I think that's why the offensive material has stepped up lately; they're just at a loss for anything interesting to say so they poop out whatever shits into their mind, and if that's some gross sexual poo poo then so be it, who needs to give an audience like theirs credit anyway? Totally agree. And sorry, from my standpoint, I don't feel so bad for them that making silly video game YouTube videos is their job. In fact, if someone paid me to do that, I'd be ecstatic. I think the biggest problem is that at this point they're making tons of money so they don't care how it turns out. They wouldn't even bother with the Patreon idea because who cares, they're making money no matter how lovely they are (at least for now). Also, I have to put this out there: as a girl gamer, I loving HATED the Valentine's Day episode titled "My wife is amazing at Lion King". You know why? He had a great opportunity to actually work his wife Suzy as a gamer into his show and the FIRST THING they did was turn on invincibility mode. Then he spent the whole episode telling everyone how amazing she was, and, even with the cheat on, SHE DIDN'T FINISH THE loving GAME. AGHHHHHH
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The Gaming Grumps are a phenomenon I don't understand, because everyone seems to have in-depth knowledge of them, their personal lives, and all their thousands of flaws, yet still watch them religiously. And the videos themselves just seem kind of uninteresting to me. This all the way. I just seriously, do not understand the appeal of the videos. They seem like fairly normal LP videos, and yet they practically have a religion formed around them. I don't know what I'm missing.
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I found a lot of their earlier stuff funny, with Dan and Jon both, but some of the videos they've been releasing recently I found more annoying and frustrating than funny. In addition to what a lot of people are saying about GG bitching about games they're playing, they have a habit of stopping and not finishing a playthrough, usually because they encounter a section or a boss to difficult for them to beat. They had a pretty funny Sparkster LP going and abruptly stopped doing it since they encountered a single boss Arin and Dan couldn't beat. Then there was that one LP they had going with South Park: The Stick of Truth where one of the others guys with Arin (not Dan) flat out spoiled the poo poo out of the game and talked over the dialogue the entire time. They did this in every video they put out, regardless of fans in the comments telling them to cut that poo poo out. That LP remains unfinished too (thankfully, I suppose). So I don't know. I'll still check out videos they release for right now, but my interest in them is starting to dim.
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BMS posted:I don't know, maybe I have a different opinion on humor than most, but I think that light racial/homosexual humor can be funny, if done right. The problem is, that doing it right is a lot more complex if you want it to actually be FUNNY. 90% of the racial/homosexual (or even white/straight 'jokes' for that matter) revolve around statements like. "OH WOW, HE'S WEARING A PINK SHIRT, THAT'S SO GAY.", or "LOOK AT HIM EAT THAT FRIED CHICKEN, HE MUST'VE BEEN BORN IN COMPTON.". Which isn't funny at all, at least for me. Humor is subjective sure, being a moron isn't. Racial and sexual humor can be very funny. However, it's not easy. Professional comedians gently caress it up all the time, which means that LPers probably shouldn't even be thinking about touching it.
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BMS posted:I don't know, maybe I have a different opinion on humor than most, but I think that light racial/homosexual humor can be funny, if done right. I think a lot of people here would agree, given what forum we're posting on. Problem is when you churn out two-three videos a day, every day, it wears a little thin when you keep dipping into the offensive humor well.
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inthesto posted:Racial and sexual humor can be very funny. However, it's not easy. Professional comedians gently caress it up all the time, which means that LPers probably shouldn't even be thinking about touching it. Jamesman posted:I think a lot of people here would agree, given what forum we're posting on. Problem is when you churn out two-three videos a day, every day, it wears a little thin when you keep dipping into the offensive humor well. This is basically the point I was trying to make. It's harder to use it properly to make something actually funny, professionals have a hard enough time with it. Plus it's just like everything else, if you run it into the ground, then it runs very thin.
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gameplusmeagan posted:Totally agree. And sorry, from my standpoint, I don't feel so bad for them that making silly video game YouTube videos is their job. In fact, if someone paid me to do that, I'd be ecstatic. Yeah no I totally agree. Like the way I phrased it kind of sounds like I feel sorry for them but really I think it's ultimately mostly Arin's fault? Like if Arin had made a few changes to his style to accomodate the fact that Danny is a way different person than Jon they might both still be having a lot more fun actually making the episodes and the show might still be funny. Like, in the old days when Arin pushed Jon would push back, but Danny's more of a "roll with it" guy and Arin's still pushing, so basically Arin's trying to have a wrestling match with a guy who showed up expecting to dance and neither one's having fun because they either can't (probably Dan) or won't (certainly Arin) work with the other guy on his level. quote:Also, I have to put this out there: as a girl gamer, I loving HATED the Valentine's Day episode titled "My wife is amazing at Lion King". You know why? He had a great opportunity to actually work his wife Suzy as a gamer into his show and the FIRST THING they did was turn on invincibility mode. Then he spent the whole episode telling everyone how amazing she was, and, even with the cheat on, SHE DIDN'T FINISH THE loving GAME. AGHHHHHH My friends and I loving hate Suzy. She is dull as poo poo and she only ever drags an episode down, and we're really not sure what Arin sees in her as a person to be married to either. Back when we were regular Grump-watchers we would usually skip Suzy episodes because seriously, holy poo poo, who wants to listen to this chick. My friends rail on about her being the real reason Jon left, but I couldn't tell you if that was true or not, it's all based on some anecdotal poo poo I can't find any basis for.
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Dr. Buttass posted:My friends rail on about her being the real reason Jon left, but I couldn't tell you if that was true or not, it's all based on some anecdotal poo poo I can't find any basis for. Heeeeeeere we go
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Dr. Buttass posted:My friends and I loving hate Suzy. She is dull as poo poo and she only ever drags an episode down, and we're really not sure what Arin sees in her as a person to be married to either. Ooh, are playing Relationship Counselor? I love that game!
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Dr. Buttass posted:My friends and I loving hate Suzy. She is dull as poo poo and she only ever drags an episode down, and we're really not sure what Arin sees in her as a person to be married to either. Did you seriously type these loving words?
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Suzy is the mom of the group. Everyone else gets really excited and rambunctious, and she goes "Alright boys, settle down." You can see it a lot in Table Flip, which funnily enough, is her show along with Barry. She's a real buzzkill for the type of atmosphere they try to cultivate for their shows.
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Dr. Buttass posted:My friends rail on about her being the real reason Jon left, but I couldn't tell you if that was true or not, it's all based on some anecdotal poo poo I can't find any basis for. I don't think she's the reason Jon left; in fact, I have something of a crackpot-type theory for why Jon left. Watch this video for an early promo for Steam Train (before Jon left Game Grumps): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afr3aO3jtn0 Notice how awkward the post-promo video is? (Starts at :38.) How it's played off as a joke but Arin is clearly upset and Jon tries quickly to repair the damage he's done? My theory is that this is the beginning of the end of Game Grumps with Jon. I would also note that this promo, edited by Barry, was deleted from their channel a few hours after being uploaded. gameplusmeagan fucked around with this message at 03:17 on May 11, 2014 |
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I thought he left because he wanted to hang out with his girlfriend/ was moving to like New York or something. I dunno. I honestly still enjoy JonTron's videos though.
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Dr. Buttass posted:My friends and I loving hate Suzy. She is dull as poo poo and she only ever drags an episode down, and we're really not sure what Arin sees in her as a person to be married to either.
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Nihilarian posted:You don't like her material so you think she doesn't deserve to be married to Arin? To anyone.
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RareAcumen posted:I thought he left because he wanted to hang out with his girlfriend/ was moving to like New York or something. I dunno. I honestly still enjoy JonTron's videos though. The official story is that Game Grumps didn't give Jon much time to work on his own show, which was a common sentiment among the fans. His own output has been much more frequent since leaving Grumps.
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Nihilarian posted:You don't like her material so you think she doesn't deserve to be married to Arin? Yes. Exactly that. Whether or not she "deserves" to be married to Arin is 100% what I was talking about and not a weird misinterpretation at all. Also, marriages and sex are things you earn by acquiring some kind of merit points and not something that opinions have any effect on, which is not at all a much creepier implication than my opinion, so kudos for not having alarming ideas about social dynamics. Look, sarcasm aside Arin obviously is happy with her and that's the end of it, and my comment was just an ill-considered choice of words.
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