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As silly as Mr. Satan is, I prefer the dub's change to Hercule, since it seems a lot more fitting for what he is.
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VanSandman posted:In Bojack Unbound's Funimation dub, they call him Satan instead of Hercule. I'm pretty sure Hercule is exclusively used for TV at this point and all their DVD/BD releases call him Mr. Satan. I'm not sure about the video games since I haven't played any since the original Tenkaichi.
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May 10, 2014 00:36
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WhiffleballDude posted:I'm pretty sure Hercule is exclusively used for TV at this point and all their DVD/BD releases call him Mr. Satan. I'm not sure about the video games since I haven't played any since the original Tenkaichi. I want to say it's gone back and forth. Is it just a delusion, or did Toriyama comment once and say that his full name was Hercule Satan? I know it just came out that he took the name Mr. Satan from his martial arts school.
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May 10, 2014 01:13
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I want to say it's gone back and forth. Satan is just his "martial arts" name or whatever. His real name is Mark. (Maaku. Because Toriyama can not resist puns.) Also Happy Piccolo Day everyone! 
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May 10, 2014 04:50
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So what would you say is the best movie? Personally I feel movies 1-4 are the best overall with World's Strongest as the best movie period Also Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is best Dragon Ball game
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May 10, 2014 05:40
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drrockso20 posted:World's Strongest as the best movie period ewww Fusion Reborn is my favorite with Bojack Unbound at a close second. Battle of Gods is 3rd.
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May 10, 2014 05:49
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WhiffleballDude posted:ewww The first two movies were good just because they were the last point where actual martial arts were involved in the hand-to-hand combat. (Actually, they're the last points where the hand-to-hand combat was more than just 'flurry punch-->flurry kick-->zanzouken behind you-->haymaker'.) From a pure badassery fight perspective, Bojack and Metal Cooler were probably the best.
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May 10, 2014 06:11
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Android 13's movie is the best because it is the low point of ALL of the Dragonball dubbing. $30 haircut.
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May 10, 2014 06:20
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I know it's not the most popular, but I loved the first Broly movie. Broly was legit scary to young me and I enjoyed how he didn't fight so much as brawl. And the animation was some of the best the movies had to offer. Speaking of which, hasn't TFS mostly released their version of the movies at around the same time in the series as the original movies were? Shouldn't the second Cooler film be coming up soon-ish?
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May 10, 2014 06:20
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I also really like the first Broly Movie, lots of awesome scenes in that. Goku doing a point blank kamehameha on Broly is probably one of my favorite moments in DBZdrrockso20 posted:Also Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is best Dragon Ball game 
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May 10, 2014 06:28
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Android 13's movie is the best because it is the low point of ALL of the Dragonball dubbing. "Howdy, I'm Android 13. Look at my trucker hat!"
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May 10, 2014 06:41
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The problem with Broly is goddamn does it drag. WE get it he's nearly unstoppable.
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May 10, 2014 06:54
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Shindragon posted:The problem with Broly is goddamn does it drag. WE get it he's nearly unstoppable. From a certain perspective he's potentially the most powerful enemy they ever faced. As a standard Super Saiyan he's more powerful than SSj2 Gohan in the second Broly movie. The gang is lucky he never surpassed the first Super Saiyan form. An SSj3 (or 4 if you want to include it) Broly would be so mind-bogglingly powerful that he could stomp a mudhole into Buu without a second thought.
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May 10, 2014 07:03
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I'm pretty sure a SS3 Broly would be easy absorption fodder for Buu. Dude is dumber than a sack of bricks.
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May 10, 2014 07:38
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I want to say it's gone back and forth. Hercule Satan was the named used in the French dub if that matters. BlitzBlast posted:I'm pretty sure a SS3 Broly would be easy absorption fodder for Buu. Dude is dumber than a sack of bricks. Esroc posted:An SSj3 (or 4 if you want to include it) Broly would be so mind-bogglingly powerful that he could stomp a mudhole into Buu without a second thought.
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May 10, 2014 10:23
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AlternateNu posted:The first two movies were good just because they were the last point where actual martial arts were involved in the hand-to-hand combat. (Actually, they're the last points where the hand-to-hand combat was more than just 'flurry punch-->flurry kick-->zanzouken behind you-->haymaker'.) Dead Zone is my favorite movie for pretty much this reason. Also Gohan tripping balls and this line : (@0:54) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vTeMQIWrh4
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May 10, 2014 10:48
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Esroc posted:From a certain perspective he's potentially the most powerful enemy they ever faced. As a standard Super Saiyan he's more powerful than SSj2 Gohan in the second Broly movie. The gang is lucky he never surpassed the first Super Saiyan form. An SSj3 (or 4 if you want to include it) Broly would be so mind-bogglingly powerful that he could stomp a mudhole into Buu without a second thought. Toriyama said Super Saiyan base form is the strongest in that interview linked the other day.
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May 10, 2014 10:51
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I always thought he had a special form, like he was the super Sayian and his form is a perpetual motion machine of increasing energy.
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May 10, 2014 10:53
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Zedd posted:I always thought he had a special form, like he was the super Sayian and his form is a perpetual motion machine of increasing energy. Bardock is the sayian of legend.
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May 10, 2014 10:59
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Kild posted:Bardock is the sayian of legend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGWPDHrUWko&t=74s 1:14
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May 10, 2014 11:03
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Kild posted:Toriyama said Super Saiyan base form is the strongest in that interview linked the other day. Yeah, but that's stupid and shits all over everything he established prior. I get that he's the creator and what he says goes, but lately he's been making absolutely stupid decisions as to what direction to take the franchise in. His past few announcements and even parts of Battle of Gods are a perfect example of what happens when a creator steps away from his creation then tries to jump right back in two decades later. He's lost touch with his own creation. I mean, I'm still going to buy it all like a good little fanboy. But that don't mean I can't bitch about it at the same time.
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May 10, 2014 12:04
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What was wrong with Battle of Gods?
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g0lbez posted:What was wrong with Battle of Gods? The use of CG for the fights scenes was lazy. Super Saiyan God was silly, made no sense within established canon, and was also a lazy design. Overall it was just all around lazy. I enjoyed parts of it. Beerus was awesome and Vegeta finally had a moment to shine. And the comedy was top notch. But Toriyama phoned it in for various aspects and it shows. All in all I'm getting a real Star Wars prequel trilogy vibe out of the material Toriyama has published and discussed in recent years. He's trying to revive his creation either for recognition or money (hint: it's money) but has completely forgotten what made the original great. And much like Lucas being reigned in by other people during the Original Trilogy then being cut loose for the Prequels, Toriyama was kept in control by his editors during DBZ but has now been set loose for this new stuff. There's a lot of parallels happening here and they make me worried about where this franchise is heading. Esroc fucked around with this message at 12:23 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 12:11
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Kild posted:Toriyama said Super Saiyan base form is the strongest in that interview linked the other day. Doesn't this kind of contradict like...everything?
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May 10, 2014 13:21
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Esroc posted:The use of CG for the fights scenes was lazy. Super Saiyan God was silly, made no sense within established canon, and was also a lazy design. Overall it was just all around lazy. I enjoyed parts of it. Beerus was awesome and Vegeta finally had a moment to shine. And the comedy was top notch. But Toriyama phoned it in for various aspects and it shows. I dunno man, Dragonball was pretty fantastic because it was THE GREATEST ACTION-ADVENTURE-FANTASY-COMEDY manga series of all time, which Z mostly ignored. If Battle of the God's comedy was actually good, then he can do whatever the hell he wants to with the franchise and recon the poo poo out of it, because it's him finally remembering how cool his series was before it because about aliens screaming at each other.
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May 10, 2014 13:39
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Esroc posted:All in all I'm getting a real Star Wars prequel trilogy vibe out of the material Toriyama has published and discussed in recent years. He's trying to revive his creation either for recognition or money (hint: it's money) but has completely forgotten what made the original great. I thought the last few new Dragon Ball features were more of a Toei/Bandai initiative to sell more merch and didn't have much to do with Toriyama at all?
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May 10, 2014 13:44
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Captain Oblivious posted:Doesn't this kind of contradict like...everything? I mean, I'm trying. This is DBZ we're talking about, stuff just is.
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May 10, 2014 14:00
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Didn't Toriyama merrily contradict his own stuff or forget rules he set up while writing DB and DBZ anyway? It's a bit silly to complain that Toriyama doesn't respect the rich canon of Dragon Ball like I do when he made Battle of the Gods when he never really gave a gently caress in the first place. Dude just wanted to write a punchmans manga.
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Twiddy posted:I don't... think so? This is just my understanding, but I think what Toriyama more or less said is that (just pulling up numbers for an example) while SSJ2 doubled power/energy output/whatever, it quadrupled energy expenditure (this from my memory is more or less consistent with how SSJ2 was treated in comparison to SSJ1 and completely consistent for SSJ3). Apparently Goku's epiphany in the new movie was that said short term gains weren't actually worth it. Apparently he needs to focus on longevity and endurance? This is pretty much exactly how I understood it. Goku realized that the higher forms drain way more juice than they should for the amount of power they give, but that since he can reach that level of power through transformation it should be entirely possible to reach it just through training his base/SS1 form like crazy. I think it kind of misses the silly joy of post-Super Saiyan DBZ, which for me was always the increasingly crazy transformations, but it's fairly internally consistent. It doesn't get rid of them as a short-term "oh poo poo!" button either, I don't think.
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Combat Lobster posted:Dead Zone is my favorite movie for pretty much this reason. Also Gohan tripping balls and this line : (@0:54) I like how we're arguing about the rich canon and logical consistency of this series immediately after someone posts a video of someone releasing their true power with a mighty warcry of "CHEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!!!" 
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May 10, 2014 17:23
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Battle of the Gods is one of my favorite DBZ movies and if it wasn't for the fighting parts it would just be my hands-down favorite. It brought the comedy back to DBZ with force. The fight was dumb but come on, how many DBZ movies didn't end in a pretty similar way?
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May 10, 2014 17:43
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It was pretty sweet when Vegeta lost his poo poo and was stronger than Goku for all of 10 minutes and him not knowing what to do and being embarassed when Goku acknowledges this fact was hilarious.
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May 10, 2014 18:06
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Toriyama is nothing like Lucas. Everything he's been doing with the universe has been expanding it. He's actually trying to make you feel like there's more than just earth, namek, and planet vegeta in the universe. Galaxy police, expanded explanation of the kais/gods of destruction, admitting the existence of parallel universes(which in its own way allows for whatever weird rear end fanfiction out there), and he's trying to tone down the excessive power level craziness. Sucks to lose SSJ2, but I'm okay with the move. Toriyama took some time away from things, but he's come back and torn down a few walls to add a ton of new rooms. It's great.
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Shinjobi posted:Toriyama is nothing like Lucas. Everything he's been doing with the universe has been expanding it. He's actually trying to make you feel like there's more than just earth, namek, and planet vegeta in the universe. Galaxy police, expanded explanation of the kais/gods of destruction, admitting the existence of parallel universes(which in its own way allows for whatever weird rear end fanfiction out there), and he's trying to tone down the excessive power level craziness. Sucks to lose SSJ2, but I'm okay with the move. Toriyama took some time away from things, but he's come back and torn down a few walls to add a ton of new rooms. It's great. Expanding the world was a great move on his part, I agree. The whole multi-verse and Gods of Destruction angle is brilliant and could make for some amazing storylines if he decides to continue. But he's still making a lot of missteps in my opinion. And the " excessive power-level craziness" is one of the chief draws of the franchise. We all tuned in as kids to see how ridiculous the next Big Bad was going to be. Constantly escalating from warriors, to planet crackers, to galaxy enders, to literal Gods. That's the entire point of the show. My chief complaints are Super Saiyan God, his dumping of transformations entirely (which is another one of the biggest draws of the entire show), and his retconning of established canon. SSj God was silly. Saiyans already have the Legendary Super Saiyan as their chief mythological figure that turned out to be real. But wait! They also have a second Legendary Super Saiyan that they called "God" which was conveniently never mentioned before, apes (ha!) the entire concept of the original Super Saiyan, and exists for no reason other than to be a deus ex machina to use against Beerus. A new canon version of SSj4 would have made sense. SSj God does not. And the whole "needs a handful of pure-hearted Saiyans to create and oh! look at that! We just so happen to have the exact number of Saiyans we need to create it!" was lazy as hell writing. Plus the visual design of SSj God was also ridiculously lazy. Then he goes even further with making GBS threads on his own canon by retconning Bardock as a dutiful father and the Saiyans as kind-hearted warriors. The entire point of the Saiyans and Goku's journey was that they were evil and sadistic but Goku had rejected his lineage and thus surpassed his own ancestors in doing so. This also applies to Vegeta who didn't discover true power until he had rejected his own Saiyan instincts in favor of human ones. Not to mention that that entire manga one-shot is Superman's origin verbatim but with Bardock, Gine, and Kakarot in place of Jor-El, Lara Lor-Van, and Kal-El. Goku was already a Superman analog but Toriyama went and turned him into a drat clone. And don't even get me started on Super Saiyan Bardock. Esroc fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 19:24
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Esroc posted:The entire point of the Saiyans and Goku's journey was that they were evil and sadistic but Goku had rejected his lineage and thus surpassed his own ancestors in doing so. I agree that the Saiyan's not being as evil is dumb, and agree with everything else you said, but Goku had brain damage. He didn't really overcome his nature on his own.
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May 10, 2014 19:34
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WickedHate posted:I agree that the Saiyan's not being as evil is dumb, and agree with everything else you said, but Goku had brain damage. He didn't really overcome his nature on his own. True, but it still falls in line with the concept that a Saiyan can't reach his true potential unless he gives up his selfish ways. Be it on purpose or accidentally. The entire concept hinges on the idea that Saiyans are in their own way so far as progress is concerned due to their selfish and evil nature.
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Esroc posted:True, but it still falls in line with the concept that a Saiyan can't reach his true potential unless he gives up his selfish ways. Be it on purpose or accidentally. The entire concept hinges on the idea that Saiyans are in their own way so far as progress is concerned due to their selfish and evil nature. You know, there's actually a similar concept at play in Buffy. Angel is evil and a witch curses him to regain his soul, but then Spike, through great effort, chooses to get his soul back. It's kinda like that with Goku and Vegeta.
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WickedHate posted:You know, there's actually a similar concept at play in Buffy. Angel is evil and a witch curses him to regain his soul, but then Spike, through great effort, chooses to get his soul back. It's kinda like that with Goku and Vegeta. Good point. And I always felt Spike was the more noble of the two because he chose his soul rather than had it hoisted upon him. The same can be applied to Goku and Vegeta. Goku had his life handed to him. Vegeta had to work for it and redeem himself.
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VanSandman posted:It was pretty sweet when Vegeta lost his poo poo and was stronger than Goku for all of 10 minutes and him not knowing what to do and being embarassed when Goku acknowledges this fact was hilarious. ...When did this happen? Are you talking about Majin Vegeta?
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Spiritus Nox posted:...When did this happen? Are you talking about Majin Vegeta? Vegeta fought Beerus to a standstill after Beerus had schooled literally every other character.
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