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kastein posted:I suppose the thing starting up and bouncing off the rev limiter would make a pretty sweet alarm clock. Not gonna sleep through that one. You're assuming that all the computers and wiring harnesses haven't been immersed in water. I'd be surprised if they could start predictably after that; imagine trying to explain that to your boss..."Sorry sir, my alarm clock's ECU wigged out and it didn't start this morning."
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MrChips posted:You're assuming that all the computers and wiring harnesses haven't been immersed in water. I'd be surprised if they could start predictably after that; imagine trying to explain that to your boss..."Sorry sir, my alarm clock's ECU wigged out and it didn't start this morning." Yeah, I know  the wiring is probably turned completely into green dust, especially if the battery was hooked up and/or it was saltwater.I don't think that excuse would go over very well, especially seeing as I'm the EE leading the wiring harness/electrical subsystem design project for a small automotive/aerospace company 
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May 10, 2014 03:05
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This is actually kinda impressive
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May 10, 2014 09:24
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He hits the car behind every single time though 
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May 10, 2014 10:56
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Which is why it's in the terrible car stuff thread 
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May 10, 2014 11:10
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AirRaid posted:He hits the car behind every single time though Parking by Braille, it's the New Yorker way
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May 10, 2014 11:18
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Snowdens Secret posted:Parking by Braille, it's the New Yorker way It's the same anywhere in the world where street parking is at a premium. It doesn't actually do a lot of damage unless the car has a towbar - my own car will have been hit hundreds of times like that and all the noticeable stuff is clearly from towbars or bullbars
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May 10, 2014 12:14
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dissss posted:It's the same anywhere in the world where street parking is at a premium. The amount of cars around los angeles with license plate bolt imprints in their bumpers (including mine, because assholes try to fit) would like to disagree with that statement.
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May 10, 2014 12:20
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License plates tend to be attached with normal screws here - you have to hit pretty hard to make any real impression.
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May 10, 2014 12:26
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Snowdens Secret posted:Parking by Braille, it's the New Yorker way It's expected in places like NYC but people do it elsewhere as well, around here it's mostly out of laziness. At least here nearly everyone is courteous and won't do that to "nice" cars at least, but it only takes one. Then again, I suppose that's what keys/knives/valve stem removers are for.
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May 10, 2014 16:53
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dissss posted:It doesn't actually do a lot of damage unless the car has a towbar - my own car will have been hit hundreds of times like that and all the noticeable stuff is clearly from towbars or bullbars Yeah the several gouges in my rear bumper from plate screws would like to disagree.
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May 10, 2014 18:39
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The two reasons I will never own a nice car: Money, and other people. Not particularly in that order either.
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May 10, 2014 18:41
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Guinness posted:Yeah the several gouges in my rear bumper from plate screws would like to disagree. Bigger trucks in NYC do it and will cave half your car in, unload, and flee without a care in the world. My sister's car nearly ended up totalled by one of these jokers. The idea that it's a harmless tactic is nonsense.
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May 10, 2014 18:52
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If I lived in NYC I would definitely have spiked bull bars on the front and rear of my vehicle. Not Wolverine fucked around with this message at 19:34 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 19:32
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Slavvy posted:Do astons still have a steel floorpan? No, the VH platform is an extruded and bonded aluminium chassis, similar to the Lotus Elise.
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May 10, 2014 19:40
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Crotch Fruit posted:
I've seen those where they have literally just been the treads of old tires.
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May 10, 2014 19:40
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Crotch Fruit posted:If I lived in NYC I would definitely have spiked bull bars on the front and rear of my vehicle. Do you really want to start that arms race?  "Mr President, we must not allow a bumper gap!" Although it's the lack of bumper gap that's starting the problem in the first place I suppose.
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Would it kill people to just buy smaller cars, if they have to park in the city every day?drgitlin posted:No, the VH platform is an extruded and bonded aluminium chassis, similar to the Lotus Elise. Then I don't see why flood damaged vehicles would be getting written off. Yes, wiring and modules are expensive, but not that expensive.
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Slavvy posted:Then I don't see why flood damaged vehicles would be getting written off. Yes, wiring and modules are expensive, but not that expensive. The labor required to disassemble, rewire, and then reassemble a modern car would be astounding. Certainly more than it costs to replace, and that's before you even get into the reliability of a vehicle that was rewired by a mechanic, and not by a trained factory worker, who does three or four an hour.
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May 10, 2014 23:21
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MrYenko posted:The labor required to disassemble, rewire, and then reassemble a modern car would be astounding. Certainly more than it costs to replace, and that's before you even get into the reliability of a vehicle that was rewired by a mechanic, and not by a trained factory worker, who does three or four an hour. I'd trust a car rebuilt by a mechanic far more than one built in a modern factory. I was watching the undercover boss thing in the mack trucks factory, the woman bolting down parts of the cylinder head didn't know what her tools, or any part of the engine she was assembling were called. This is how cars end up leaving the factory without brake pads, or with small rear brake rotors bolted into large front brake calipers. they're built by the cheapest uneducated labour who just turns the 20 bolts they're told to turn, rather than someone interested in putting a car together.
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Aluminum will still corrode in the presence of dissimilar metals, and besides, there's a tremendous amount of car that isn't the aluminum frame, is ruined by water exposure, and is not cost-effective to replace vice the insurance writeoff - the entire interior, for example.
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I just hate throwing cool stuff in the bin, I guess. I once bought a BMW engine that I didn't need because it was an entire engine, 200 kilos of engineering cleverness and harnessed resources and potential horsepower just sitting on the floor in my garage for the measly sum of $150. It seemed like an enormous waste of a cool machine that does Stuff. 
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May 10, 2014 23:30
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Slavvy posted:Would it kill people to just buy smaller cars, if they have to park in the city every day? The same thing would happen, you'd just fit more cars in the same space.
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Slavvy posted:I just hate throwing cool stuff in the bin, I guess. I once bought a BMW engine that I didn't need because it was an entire engine, 200 kilos of engineering cleverness and harnessed resources and potential horsepower just sitting on the floor in my garage for the measly sum of $150. It seemed like an enormous waste of a cool machine that does Stuff. You. I like you I think normal people call this hoarding, but they just don't understand...
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Slavvy posted:Would it kill people to just buy smaller cars, if they have to park in the city every day?
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May 11, 2014 02:48
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 Those are wood screws holding in that gas cap cover.
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May 11, 2014 02:58
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This might be terrible car poo poo but no one ever bashed into my truck when I parked it on the street in NYC. Ever. Not even a little bit. ... at least, I never found any bits of their cars stuck to my bumper... Your move NYC drivers. Make my day.
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May 11, 2014 03:03
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Powershift posted:I'd trust a car rebuilt by a mechanic far more than one built in a modern factory. I could rant about the poo poo I go through with factory workers to get things (not cars, but electromechanical devices) assembled correctly. But at the end of the day, I don't care if they know what the parts are called, as long as they follow the incredibly explicit work instructions our manufacturing engineers write. Yeah, it's true we don't pay engineering technician wage to assembly line workers, but nobody is going to buy a product that costs today's cost times two.
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May 11, 2014 03:11
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Powershift posted:the woman bolting down parts of the cylinder head didn't know what her tools, or any part of the engine she was assembling were called. That is entirely irrelevant. Powershift posted:This is how cars end up leaving the factory without brake pads, or with small rear brake rotors bolted into large front brake calipers. they're built by the cheapest uneducated labour who just turns the 20 bolts they're told to turn, rather than someone interested in putting a car together. No, it's not. This happens because of poor factory procedure and QC checks. In a volume operation people are just robots. They don't need to know what things are called any more than a robot does. They just need to do their very small, very simple, very monotonous and soul crushing job correctly the same way every time. In a properly functioning system this produces much higher repeatability than any individual, regardless of how much they know. Henry Ford figured this out sometime before 1913.
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Motronic posted:That is entirely irrelevant. Someone with basic knowledge of what they're working on could spot problems or errors with what was done before them. The guy bolting the wheels on could tell the brake pads are missing or the rotors are too small, and alert somebody before 5000 cars hit the road without them. The guy putting finishing touches under the hood could tell that the latch is missing before 120k trucks leave without it. I'm not saying everybody doing menial tasks on the line needs to be a certified mechanic, but if they don't know what a wrench or a rocker arm is when they're working on an engine, they still seem woefully undertrained.
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May 11, 2014 04:53
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Motronic posted:
That is a properly functioning system developed in 1913 for cranking out cheap, identical cars. It has nothing to do with quality.
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Powershift posted:Someone with basic knowledge of what they're working on could spot problems or errors with what was done before them. The guy bolting the wheels on could tell the brake pads are missing or the rotors are too small, and alert somebody before 5000 cars hit the road without them. The guy putting finishing touches under the hood could tell that the latch is missing before 120k trucks leave without it. For various reasons this is bad for consumers; least of which would be the cost of training (which would be irrelevant to the job) being passed onto the buyers.
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Motronic posted:That is entirely irrelevant. Increasingly the people who are robots actually are robots, which has even greater benefit for QC (no differences between shifts, etc.) It makes sense because it's pretty much just a Chinese Room problem anyway. And recognizing "Hey, this doesn't look like the last 3000 assemblies I touched" requires zero knowledge or understanding of the items involved, only attention to detail, which the machine also excels at.
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Powershift posted:Someone with basic knowledge of what they're working on could spot problems or errors with what was done before them. The guy bolting the wheels on could tell the brake pads are missing or the rotors are too small, and alert somebody before 5000 cars hit the road without them. The guy putting finishing touches under the hood could tell that the latch is missing before 120k trucks leave without it. I get how it "seems" this way, but it's pretty obvious you've never worked in a factory. Explaining how those things work is well beyond something that can be posted. There is an entire discipline and spec built around this concept. Google ISO 9000 to get started. MattD1zzl3 posted:That is a properly functioning system developed in 1913 for cranking out cheap, identical cars. It has nothing to do with quality. It has everything to with REPEATABILITY, which is what I said. I did not say quality as that comes from factors that happen outside of the production line.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Increasingly the people who are robots actually are robots, which has even greater benefit for QC (no differences between shifts, etc.) It makes sense because it's pretty much just a Chinese Room problem anyway. As someone who is a production supervisor that has control over 2nd shift at a assembly plant I've had to deal with people realizing that something doesn't look right, but won't speak up. 15 hours of wasted production loving later.... Should I start telling stories about when I first started that there was no training manuals, LOCK OUT TAG OUT, severe weather policies, downtime logs, rework procedures, or up to date written QC processes? Want to know how much fun it is to create that poo poo out of thin air? 
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May 11, 2014 06:07
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G-Mach posted:[no] LOCK OUT TAG OUT Everything else was bad but WHAT THE gently caress!
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Galler posted:Everything else was bad but WHAT THE gently caress! THREE PHASE EQUIPMENT ON THE PRODUCTION FLOOR! NO ASSET LISTS, NO PLANNED MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, WOODEN TABLES IN A OPEN FOOD ENVIRONMENT! 
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G-Mach posted:THREE PHASE EQUIPMENT ON THE PRODUCTION FLOOR! I hate everything you said. Not having a manual is just loving lazy business 101. Even if you just pay lipservice to your training and indoc, having a manual AT VERY LEAST puts in writing the poo poo people shouldn't do, so when Joe Jaggoff fucks up and maims Bob Blowme, Joe can get fired instead of getting the company sued.
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G-Mach posted:As someone who is a production supervisor that has control over 2nd shift at a assembly plant I've had to deal with people realizing that something doesn't look right, but won't speak up. 15 hours of wasted production loving later.... Honestly, I think you should because this stuff is fascinating and would enlighten a huge number of people on here as to why cars are the way they are, why manufacturers do the things they do, and why noone, least of all the car companies, gives any kind of a gently caress about the tiny number of people who bitch about cars being hard to work on/badly made.
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