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Austrian mook posted:That seemed to be the issue with megas in general. They seem to be getting into power creep territory, all the pokemon that got mega evos were really good already, gyarados, gengar etc. They made lots of already really good pokemon better and made some crazy broken. This was my big worry with X/Y, is this off base or mostly accurate? I can't find the quote but I seem to remember someone from Game Freak saying that Mega Evolutions were an attempt to make more "mundane" Pokemon more viable against legendaries. The one-mega-per-team rule keeps the ridiculousness down a bit, at least. Plus it makes for interesting mind games when you have two powerful mega-evolveable Pokemon on your team. Is the mega-stone attached to Venusaur or Scizor? 
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PSWII60 posted:Mega Luvdisc, and have it just be Alomomola. The other way around as well
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There was a super triples team that somebody in IRC mentioned the other day that works really well, but I forgot about it. Does anybody know about it? I just remember that it involved Garchomp, Aggron, and I think maybe Dragonite? I think it was Fade5's team, but I'm not too sure.
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Speedboat Jones posted:There was a super triples team that somebody in IRC mentioned the other day that works really well, but I forgot about it. Does anybody know about it? I just remember that it involved Garchomp, Aggron, and I think maybe Dragonite? I think it was Fade5's team, but I'm not too sure. Lvl 1 Aron with Endeavour and Sandstorm, and Berry Juice to draw Aggro. Greninja with Mat Block to give them more turns. Rest of the team filled with powerful sweepers.
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Austrian mook posted:That seemed to be the issue with megas in general. They seem to be getting into power creep territory, all the pokemon that got mega evos were really good already, gyarados, gengar etc. Medicham, Manectric, Pinsir, Charizard, Aerodactyl, Houndoom, Gardevoir, Aggron, Banette, Absol, Mawile and Abomasnow are all mediocre-to-bad pokemon buffed to some degree of relevance by their mega evolutions. Fair point on most of the rest, Lucario and Blaziken especially, though I don't think Mega Luc is super abusive like Parental Bond is abusive. Some of the good pokemon who got megas, like Scizor and Gyarados, allow those pokemon to fill niches they couldn't before, so while you can argue that giving these pokemon more viable sets is unnecessary, it's not necessarily bad for the game. Ampharos got shafted pretty hard. Electric/Dragon with mold breaker is not a bad typing at all, but without sufficient speed or attacking stats or movepool to take advantage of it. Or the movepool. Bulky Specs Mega-Ampharos throwing draco meteors around might actually get a few kills. Points for the killer glam-rock mane, mega lantern sheep, but you disappointed the hell out of me in practice. Sade fucked around with this message at 07:54 on May 11, 2014 |
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May 11, 2014 07:52
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Mega Ampharos belongs on a Trick Room team. Few megas do.
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Waffleman_ posted:Mega Farfetch'd, except unironically. That's really dumb and totally missed the point. Groudon can turn water into continents, so it doesn't matter he only started out on a small piece of land.
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Well your name sure is appropriate.
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less laughter posted:That's really dumb and totally missed the point. Groudon can turn water into continents, so it doesn't matter he only started out on a small piece of land. How is he supposed to do that when he drops to one water spout?
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Sade posted:Medicham, Manectric, Pinsir, Charizard, Aerodactyl, Houndoom, Gardevoir, Aggron, Banette, Absol, Mawile and Abomasnow are all mediocre-to-bad pokemon buffed to some degree of relevance by their mega evolutions. Fair point on most of the rest, Lucario and Blaziken especially, though I don't think Mega Luc is super abusive like Parental Bond is abusive. Some of the good pokemon who got megas, like Scizor and Gyarados, allow those pokemon to fill niches they couldn't before, so while you can argue that giving these pokemon more viable sets is unnecessary, it's not necessarily bad for the game. Megamanectric is basically Jolteon with coverage. I'm using mega ampharos at the moment, but it's soooo slooowww and the lack of ice attacks (ice punch since it knows elec punch) doesn't help either. At least it's bulky. I just beat Clemont in game with my mono electric team. It was the most boring gym fight I've ever had. Only his Emolga could do any damage. It took a while to take down magneton due to having only dig as a good move against it. Darth TNT fucked around with this message at 09:20 on May 11, 2014 |
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I thought Groudon losing to Kyogre was kind of the point. Why else is the world 75% covered with ocean if an equal-but-opposite land behemoth exists? Just like how Xerneas' creation beats its counterpart's destruction?
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Darth TNT posted:Megamanectric is basically Jolteon with coverage. And yet it still depends on Hidden Power to round out its moveset. 
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I'm pretty sure the biggest reason that Pokemon like Blaziken, Lucario, and Gengar got Megas is because they are very popular and well-loved even by Gamefreak themselves. If I recall correctly I believe that Gengar is Sugimori's favorite Pokemon. They may not have put much thought into how powerful their Megas would be.
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Cerony posted:I'm pretty sure the biggest reason that Pokemon like Blaziken, Lucario, and Gengar got Megas is because they are very popular and well-loved even by Gamefreak themselves. If I recall correctly I believe that Gengar is Sugimori's favorite Pokemon. They may not have put much thought into how powerful their Megas would be. We all know some megas are the result of popularity (Why else give Charizard two forms?), but that's kind of a problem itself when they hand out power-ups so game changing with so little rhyme or reason.
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less laughter posted:And yet it still depends on Hidden Power to round out its moveset. Yeah, both are horrible for coverage. Jolteon: elec and ghost. Mamectric: elec, fire, ice fang(physical so not a very good fit) and I think Crunch? Electric types are horrible in coverage in general.
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Speedboat Jones posted:There was a super triples team that somebody in IRC mentioned the other day that works really well, but I forgot about it. Does anybody know about it? I just remember that it involved Garchomp, Aggron, and I think maybe Dragonite? I think it was Fade5's team, but I'm not too sure. http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/like-ability-capsule-1000w-0l-triple-maison-team-report/ This one, it works ludicrously well. Darth TNT posted:Megamanectric is basically Jolteon with coverage. Mega Manectric works better in doubles where it's possibly outsped by all of 4 pokemon, and gets a mid turn intimidate with Volt Switch.
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I have a 6IV ditto and a 3IV (hp/Att/def) Kangaskhan holding everstone/destiny knot. What are the odds of 4 party fulls of eggs having every single 4-5 IV pokemon with SpA IV at 31. It's loving infuriating.
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https://twitter.com/Hirobyte/status/465443887834996736 A reputable source has a leak of volcanion's event. They just give it to you in a place you wouldn't expect.
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Dehry posted:https://twitter.com/Hirobyte/status/465443887834996736 On the plus side, the reporter actually does something this time.
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https://twitter.com/FlyerFenneX/status/465491064447463424 E: image source. It's a whole album. https://www.imgur.com/a/cXaa4 Dehry fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 11, 2014 |
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Dehry posted:https://twitter.com/Hirobyte/status/465443887834996736
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Maybe its me being a bit of a grognard, but I miss when you at least had to battle the event legendary on its home turf after hearing about it. It just not the same when random reporters and clerks can catch these beasts of legend and literally hand them out to the first person they talk to. Especially when it makes us miss a chance at a badass battle in the mountains.
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The Bee posted:Maybe its me being a bit of a grognard, but I miss when you at least had to battle the event legendary on its home turf after hearing about it. It just not the same when random reporters and clerks can catch these beasts of legend and literally hand them out to the first person they talk to. Especially when it makes us miss a chance at a badass battle in the mountains. I suppose it just generally lends to the idea of them being legendary in some fashion, if you have to be given some obscure item, and go through some arcane nonsense, in order to get a glimpse at these things, let alone battle and capture them. Makes it a bit more understandable why you're one of those rare exceptions when you're able to find them.
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The Bee posted:Maybe its me being a bit of a grognard, but I miss when you at least had to battle the event legendary on its home turf after hearing about it. It just not the same when random reporters and clerks can catch these beasts of legend and literally hand them out to the first person they talk to. Especially when it makes us miss a chance at a badass battle in the mountains. A prehistoric cyborg killer insect resurrected by an evil team bent on world domination gets gifted to you by a mailman at a pokecenter. At the first gym.
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Sade posted:Ampharos got shafted pretty hard. Electric/Dragon with mold breaker is not a bad typing at all, but without sufficient speed or attacking stats or movepool to take advantage of it. Or the movepool. Bulky Specs Mega-Ampharos throwing draco meteors around might actually get a few kills. Points for the killer glam-rock mane, mega lantern sheep, but you disappointed the hell out of me in practice. I use MegaAmpharos on a Doubles Trick Room team and he is awesome. His bulk is super handy and has enough power to sweep some teams. He also looks elegant doing it.
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Astro Nut posted:I suppose it just generally lends to the idea of them being legendary in some fashion, if you have to be given some obscure item, and go through some arcane nonsense, in order to get a glimpse at these things, let alone battle and capture them. Makes it a bit more understandable why you're one of those rare exceptions when you're able to find them. Tardigrade posted:A prehistoric cyborg killer insect resurrected by an evil team bent on world domination gets gifted to you by a mailman at a pokecenter. At the first gym. Yeah, exactly. They just don't feel legendary like they did when you had to venture into a nightmare to fight Darkrai, or even just finding Mewtwo at the bottom of the game's hardest dungeon. These just feel like really powerful giveaways. I guess you could say the same about the catch rate change, too, but that's a whole different can of worms.
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Well, that's pretty fuckin' disappointing. But I'm not overly surprised- these are the people who brought us the GS Ball and the Azure Flute. I'm sure somebody had the idea to patch in an item that would give you access to the other power plant doors and trigger a legendary encounter, and everybody said "awesome idea", and then a few months later somebody over their head said "No. Too complicated. We'll just have an NPC hand the Pokemon to them. Make up a little story so it doesn't feel too shallow". Like, at this point, the game's over for most people, and the ingame postgame doesn't let you use high legendaries. So all I can do is level it up til I can see its signature moves, then it goes into a box. The mini-adventure around finding and catching legendary Pokemon is the ONLY loving THING THAT'S ACTUALLY FUN ABOUT LEGENDARY loving POKEMON!!! (You're supposed to read that last sentence like Francis, and then imagine him swatting his webcam off his monitor. So go back and do that. Thanks.)
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At this point I dunno why they don't open a specific tier in the Battle Facilities for otherwise disallowed Pokemon. It's about the only thing left you could do with them.
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Um excuse me you forgot about Pokemon Amie Don't you want to rub Genesect's belly? Oo's a good prehistoric cyber killer insect, hmm? YOU are!
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So when are We gonna see Diancie event go live? Because I really want Volcanion but first we gotta get the Diamond girl.
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The summer movie will have a Diancie event for Japan along with a Darkarai for preorders.
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Dehry posted:The summer movie will have a Diancie event for Japan along with a Darkarai for preorders. Okay so how about the rest of us?
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We'll probably get Diancie around the time the movie hits our shores.
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If we're basing it off the last movie, then it should come out sometime in October. Just in time for the new games!
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The Bee posted:Maybe its me being a bit of a grognard, but I miss when you at least had to battle the event legendary on its home turf after hearing about it. It just not the same when random reporters and clerks can catch these beasts of legend and literally hand them out to the first person they talk to. Especially when it makes us miss a chance at a badass battle in the mountains. The Bee posted:Yeah, exactly. They just don't feel legendary like they did when you had to venture into a nightmare to fight Darkrai, or even just finding Mewtwo at the bottom of the game's hardest dungeon. These just feel like really powerful giveaways. Why is that training necessary? Because Chronum Tower is a maze like the Unknown Dungeon with 10 floors, each with a different legendary Pokemon as well as progressively stronger wild Pokemon on each floor; you're fighting fully evolved level 88 wild Pokemon by the end. Between all four places and the modified Kanto/Sevii Islands, you can catch every single Gen 3 legend and it is completely epic doing so. The legendaries themselves are also hellishly strong: Deoxys is Level 80, and Ho-oh/Lugia are level 90, making all of them an awesome fight. My point with this is that nothing has come close to going on a legendary catching spree in Chronum Tower. It was a hell of a fight, but I caught every single Legendary Pokemon (most in Timer Balls), and (with the exception of Mew) traded all of them over to a legitimate Emerald cartridge, to eventually be brought all the way to Gen 6. If you got a level 80 Deoxys from me, it was from here, and I take pride in that.
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fade5 posted:Agreed on both counts. There's a RomHack called Fire Red Omega that replaces the Altering Cave with a cave called the "Traveler's Tomb". It's a warp hub that has warp spots to Navel Rock, Birth Island, "Chronum Tower" and the "Ancient Labyrinth". The Traveler's Tomb itself has a trainer with 6 level 99 Blisseys, each holding a separate rare item, and a healer right across from her, making training hilariously easy, and also completely necessary. How did you trade it?
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:How did you trade it? He probably stuck it on a flashcart.
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I really missed back in Ruby/Saphire or in Gold/Silver, when a legendary was surprising and mysterious. Like, that convoluted Regi poo poo? That was awesome. They're pretty lovely legendaries all things considered but catching the rarest pokemon in the game, getting a huge loving whale and moving to a mysterious cave at the bottom of the ocean, then going to 3 hidden remote places? loving A. Now you just get a super strong guy, what's next, DLC for the super good guys?
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ChaosArgate posted:He probably stuck it on a flashcart. Bank's hack check still sucks, by the way. 
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