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Not sure where else to put this so since it happened at PSU I guess this gift is for you, PNW thread! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7cwWegXCU Its a video of anarchists/leftists shouting down another anarchist/leftist for writing a paper saying "Uh, maybe we shouldn't shout down our fellow radicals?" Bonus irony: this was filmed by some local right winger who shows up to events to document "crazy liberals". The talk being given was about informants in radical circles. I just...I don't even...*shakes head*
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# ? May 12, 2014 21:18 |
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Not sure where else to put this so since it happened at PSU I guess this gift is for you, PNW thread! Yeah...I had to go find the article in question and I'm still not sure what even. From what I can tell it's just another chapter in a stupid little slapfight between the author/friends and people who disagree with them on some relatively minor organizational issues (or...not maybe?), with your usual "herp-derp stupid SJWs" types thrown in as the shitcream frosting on this sadass cupcake-cake. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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# ? May 12, 2014 22:07 |
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Ernie Muppari posted:Yeah...I had to go find the article in question and I'm still not sure what even. In leftist organizing, LGBT communities, and even in the 'smart' hobbies such as rational skeptics, there are still a lot of the same lovely attitudes towards sexual predation, unwanted sexual advances and abuse between subordinates. So what happened here is basically the people that thought that they were the ones on the "right side of history" and believed that all they had to do was stand still and drag the rest of the world to them are being confronted with the reality that the healing and cultural change necessary to reach what they believe in is going to be a dramatic change from what they were comfortable with. To domestic violence in the LGBT community specifically, there is a silent horror between the abused and the larger community because everyone involved is afraid to ask for help from the 'straight' authorities. Because when the culture at large has been under assault for 'unclean living', there is a pressure to present a strong image to the wider world- even if this means sheltering lovely people doing lovely things to their victims and targets because they are strong leaders or members of the community. The PSU panel would have worked a lot better if they'd not, y'know, lacked empathy and a solid anti-rape and anti-abuse procedure within the movement. The only person that writes "Under this theory, the survivor, and the survivor alone, has the right to make demands, while the rest of us are duty-bound to enact sanctions without question." is someone that is utterly loving clueless about sexual predation within unequal power dynamics.
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# ? May 12, 2014 22:38 |
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Gerund posted:In leftist organizing, LGBT communities, and even in the 'smart' hobbies such as rational skeptics, there are still a lot of the same lovely attitudes towards sexual predation, unwanted sexual advances and abuse between subordinates. OH! Okay, so that's actually what this is about and I wasn't just totally misreading things, yeah in that case I'm gonna' have to side with the people shutting down the panel. I've literally never in my life met someone arguing for "healthy skepticism" of accusations of abuse in leftist circles who wasn't just clueless at best.
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# ? May 12, 2014 23:06 |
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glowing-fish posted:On the pro side, there are very few cockroaches in the Pacific Northwest. That might be a positive. I moved from Memphis TN to Seattle because it had an ok transportation system and was really liberal. I was leaving Memphis the day I turned 18 no matter what and Seattle seemed like a good choice given my hate for hot weather and conservative assholes.
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# ? May 12, 2014 23:26 |
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Tigntink posted:I moved from Memphis TN to Seattle because it had an ok transportation system and was really liberal. I was leaving Memphis the day I turned 18 no matter what and Seattle seemed like a good choice given my hate for hot weather and conservative assholes. I'm really sorry about Tim Eyman, Kemper Freeman, and Dino Rossi.
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# ? May 12, 2014 23:39 |
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Thanatosian posted:I'm really sorry about Tim Eyman, Kemper Freeman, and Dino Rossi. Nothing compared to what exists in the south.
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# ? May 12, 2014 23:43 |
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oxbrain posted:Where are you finding a decent 1 bedroom outside seattle for <$700? Either your definition of decent is wildly different from mine or you're off by a couple hundred bucks. The east side, of the state. The dark lands. It is rather unfortunate Central/Eastern Washington and Oregon don't count as part of the Pacific Northwest...
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# ? May 13, 2014 00:51 |
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Senor P. posted:The east side, of the state. The dark lands. It is rather unfortunate Central/Eastern Washington and Oregon don't count as part of the Pacific Northwest... I think he assumed by "outside of Seattle" you meant "Shoreline" or "Bellevue," which most of us consider "outside of Seattle," when what you really meant was "outside of the greater Seattle/Tacoma metropolitan area."
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# ? May 13, 2014 00:57 |
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Thanatosian posted:I think he assumed by "outside of Seattle" you meant "Shoreline" or "Bellevue," which most of us consider "outside of Seattle," when what you really meant was "outside of the greater Seattle/Tacoma metropolitan area." I'd go with "not actually associated with Seattle whatsoever", personally. I'm all for a wider term of PNW in this thread but if you're gonna talk about a city and its politics it helps to use examples that are actually related to said city.
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# ? May 13, 2014 01:02 |
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Thanatosian posted:I think he assumed by "outside of Seattle" you meant "Shoreline" or "Bellevue," which most of us consider "outside of Seattle," when what you really meant was "outside of the greater Seattle/Tacoma metropolitan area." Its been about 10 years since I've lived over there but in conversations "Outside of Seattle" means "Outside of Seattle".
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# ? May 13, 2014 01:04 |
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In Seattle transit news:quote:Murray Issues Statement On Transit Financing, Warns Of Possible ‘Balkanization Of Metro’ The Stranger interview in question: quote:Mayor Murray Says He'll Fight Any Attempt to Save Metro by Using Property Taxes; Slams Founder of "Plan C" In case you're getting rhetorical whiplash, both articles are "from the desk of" the same person, but the former is a pre-written statement by a speechwriter and the latter is a directly quoted interview. Strange, that the actual voice is dually equivocative and bristly while the written statement is a soft-as-cotton-candy claims and the promise of a real solution to be proposed sometime next week! (to give time for the think tanks to develop legislation to their handler's benefit, obviously) Gerund fucked around with this message at 01:23 on May 13, 2014 |
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Senor P. posted:The east side, of the state. The dark lands. It is rather unfortunate Central/Eastern Washington and Oregon don't count as part of the Pacific Northwest... I took it to mean commuting distance to Seattle. Saying outside of Seattle and meaning somewhere far away is silly. Might as well say you're just outside of Tokyo.
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# ? May 13, 2014 01:24 |
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Senor P. posted:The east side, of the state. The dark lands. It is rather unfortunate Central/Eastern Washington and Oregon don't count as part of the Pacific Northwest... It's unfortunate that they're a sea of red, because WA/OR are really drat pretty east of the Cascades.
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# ? May 13, 2014 01:49 |
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SyHopeful posted:It's unfortunate that they're a sea of red, because WA/OR are really drat pretty east of the Cascades. It is, however a lack of jobs (Unless you like picking crops!), lack of investing state taxes into into local infrastructure (outside of Seattle) contributes towards an easy attitude of "Those city fuckers!" Don't get me wrong there is a power plant here, a paper mill there, a manufacturing plant over there but investments are spread out and there is nothing like the job pull of Seattle. (And to a lesser extent Spokane.)
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# ? May 13, 2014 02:00 |
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Senor P. posted:It is, however a lack of jobs (Unless you like picking crops!), lack of investing state taxes into into local infrastructure (outside of Seattle) contributes towards an easy attitude of "Those city fuckers!" If you do like picking crops, good news! There's about to be a whole lot of new job openings! The "Not Seattle" parts of the state get a massive amount of spending from the Seattle area. This one is my favorite. Why spend any money at all on education when the state has a constitutional requirement to cover the bill?
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# ? May 13, 2014 02:56 |
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oxbrain posted:If you do like picking crops, good news! There's about to be a whole lot of new job openings! tldr rural areas really are not efficient from a tax base perspective and end up being money sinks due to things such as requiring constant infrastructure repair/education spending by out of county dollars. etalian fucked around with this message at 03:24 on May 13, 2014 |
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etalian posted:tldr Rural counties are where the jails are, which are kinda different budget-wise than the universal school fire dept water utilities infrastructure.
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# ? May 13, 2014 03:27 |
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Is anyone tired of Murray announcing that hes going to announce a plan some time in the future?
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# ? May 13, 2014 04:03 |
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Reason posted:Is anyone tired of Murray announcing that hes going to announce a plan some time in the future? Honestly I think Murray has been doing a pretty good job on everything except police. I'm amazed that he was able to get the labor unions and (what will likely be upon rollout) a majority of the city council on board with a $15 plan that business is not stridently objecting to (yet) in the hosed molasses-slow politics of this town. I think universal pre-K will pass and I think Murray is correct to preserve property tax space for it. I think he's legitimately committed to transit, and while you can argue whether his regional vision for transit is appropriate versus a Seattle-focused vision given how the rest of the region just voted, I don't think you can question that he does sincerely want that regional transit funding. And frankly, in a perfect world, transit shouldn't be city-only, it should be regional - he's right about the policy, the only question is whether his vision is politically feasible. Police is another matter for Murray. I hope the firing of Tina Podlodowski will help, he really needs to improve there. But all in all, I think I got a pretty decent Mayor.
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# ? May 13, 2014 04:14 |
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Gerund posted:Rural counties are where the jails are, which are kinda different budget-wise than the universal school fire dept water utilities infrastructure. Not really, and their locations don't correspond with higher spending:tax dollars. http://www.doc.wa.gov/facilities/docs/allfacilitiesmap.pdf
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# ? May 13, 2014 04:28 |
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EMC Research released a fascinating poll about the minimum wage this evening, conducted May 4-8th. Seems like a pretty fair sample and questions. Some highlights:quote:This memo is based on a telephone survey of 550 likely November 2014 voters in Seattle conducted May 4th – 8th, 2014. The margin of error for the overall results is ±4.2 percentage points at a 95% confidence interval. I personally support the Mayor's compromise. I think it's a good compromise, endorsed by the labor unions, and it can actually pass. I think the businesses could demonize Sawant's proposal to the point where it could fail at the ballot. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 14, 2014 |
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gohuskies posted:EMC Research released a fascinating poll about the minimum wage this evening, conducted May 4-8th. Seems like a pretty fair sample and questions. Some highlights: Rough numbers there for SA and Sawant. 7 years is laughable but looks like what we're going to be getting, so congrats minimum wage workers of 2021 I guess.
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A Bag of Milk posted:Rough numbers there for SA and Sawant. 7 years is laughable but looks like what we're going to be getting, so congrats minimum wage workers of 2021 I guess. The Stranger did a writeup which actually detailed the meat of the proposal, and it's much better than that. The Mayor's proposal is a three-year phase-in of the $15/hr wage for big businesses, with the minimum wage being pegged to inflation. The longer phase-ins will all be based on the $15/hr three-year plus inflation value. Essentially, ignore everything I said about the compromise before this post; I was working off of the articles in the Times an P-I, that didn't know what the gently caress they were talking about. So you're right, that not everyone will have a $15/hr minimum wage until 2021; however, by 2025, everyone will have a minimum wage equal to $15/hr in 2017 dollars (the businesses with a longer phase-in will have a swifter increase to catch up to the shorter phase-in businesses after they hit $15/hr). TL;DR It's complicated, but here's a graph: And here's a table: It's actually much better than I thought it was. Too slow, but as compromise positions go... it could be so much worse.
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SyHopeful posted:It's unfortunate that they're a sea of red, because WA/OR are really drat pretty east of the Cascades. They're really pretty east of the Cascades, just not trees-and-waterfalls pretty.
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Did they define who counts as a big or small business? The chart suggests it's any business with less than 500 employees, which is much more than I consider "small" (should be more like 50). I'm not aware of any existing laws defining who is big or small, so I'm pretty suspicious they snuck in some wording that lets a few big businesses pretend they're small.
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A piece on KUOW suggests that surprisingly, franchises are counted by their national labor force, so of course there was an immigrant with a Subway freaking out at the last public meeting because he'll be counted as a "big business." I almost can't imagine that language would survive the process.
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SedanChair posted:A piece on KUOW suggests that surprisingly, franchises are counted by their national labor force, so of course there was an immigrant with a Subway freaking out at the last public meeting because he'll be counted as a "big business." I almost can't imagine that language would survive the process. The issues of a literal petite bourgeoisie aren't really to be considered on the same plane as small independent local shops. The former has a nation-wide logistics and marketing empire to draw from while leveraging the cost of lettuce per bread-foot for profit; crocodile tears compared to the latter's typical operation that specifically caters to the desires and cultures of its customer demographic and has far fewer avenues of market differentiation besides being a decent company with a good product.
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# ? May 15, 2014 03:42 |
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Far be it from me to defend any business owner, but Subway franchise owners are some of the poorest business owners around. The bar for entry is super low. Honestly I'd consider Boutique Cupcake Dreamland or whatever to be way more bougie than a Subway owner.
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# ? May 15, 2014 03:46 |
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Thanatosian posted:The Stranger did a writeup which actually detailed the meat of the proposal, and it's much better than that. The Mayor's proposal is a three-year phase-in of the $15/hr wage for big businesses, with the minimum wage being pegged to inflation. The longer phase-ins will all be based on the $15/hr three-year plus inflation value. Essentially, ignore everything I said about the compromise before this post; I was working off of the articles in the Times an P-I, that didn't know what the gently caress they were talking about. Thanks for this post. Cleared some things up for me and made me feel better about the mayor's proposal. It's certainly better than it could have been.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Did they define who counts as a big or small business? The chart suggests it's any business with less than 500 employees, which is much more than I consider "small" (should be more like 50). I'm not aware of any existing laws defining who is big or small, so I'm pretty suspicious they snuck in some wording that lets a few big businesses pretend they're small. The fact that the definition of "small business" includes business with hundreds of employees and tens of millions in revenue is one of the little secrets of the American business community. The definition is so broad that something like 95% of businesses are "small businesses". And yet, large businesses still dominate the marketplace and control over half the national GDP.
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SedanChair posted:A piece on KUOW suggests that surprisingly, franchises are counted by their national labor force, so of course there was an immigrant with a Subway freaking out at the last public meeting because he'll be counted as a "big business." I almost can't imagine that language would survive the process. God listening to those business owners talk about their dream while making GBS threads on the idea that people should be able to reasonably afford to eat/live somewhere. They are the problem and let their lovely fast food go out of business. They also had someone from City Peoples and that was more interesting, I actually think that their profit sharing should be considered towards wages because profit sharing is pretty cool. Not sure how exactly you'd work that out though since they said they give it as a bonus at the end of the year. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 04:01 on May 15, 2014 |
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Any business owner who can't figure out how to deal with increased labor costs deserves to go out of business.
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SedanChair posted:Far be it from me to defend any business owner, but Subway franchise owners are some of the poorest business owners around. The bar for entry is super low. Honestly I'd consider Boutique Cupcake Dreamland or whatever to be way more bougie than a Subway owner. Despite their status as spectres of late capitalism, cupcakeries are at least serving a demand of a tasty cake that you won't feel like a hambeast for devouring or having to store 5/6ths of a pastry in your fridge. Compared to a national chain that uses national advertising, national brand-approved equipment & design, a national campaign of wage depreciation, and a national price-setting supply chain- all so that their store to convince people to slide a fiver over for cardboard bread and ten cents of lettuce- those cupcakeries are downright kibbutzist! So yeah, welcome to the free world, sorry about your drat luck in choosing a lovely product to hock.
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# ? May 15, 2014 04:54 |
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Only reason I feel bad for Subway is their prices are locked. Maybe they could have $5.50 footlongs?
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Mrit posted:Only reason I feel bad for Subway is their prices are locked. Maybe they could have $5.50 footlongs? The Subway inside my local Walmart doesn't have any $5 footlongs. A roast beef costs $7.50.
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Gerund posted:Despite their status as spectres of late capitalism, cupcakeries are at least serving a demand of a tasty cake that you won't feel like a hambeast for devouring or having to store 5/6ths of a pastry in your fridge. Compared to a national chain that uses national advertising, national brand-approved equipment & design, a national campaign of wage depreciation, and a national price-setting supply chain- all so that their store to convince people to slide a fiver over for cardboard bread and ten cents of lettuce- those cupcakeries are downright kibbutzist! They're all run by dot-com cashouts who dropped acid and read "Eat, Pray, Love" though.
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# ? May 15, 2014 06:18 |
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I expect only the promotions are fixed, and participation may vary. Last time I went to a Subway, it was just under $9 for some pulled pork thing that made me nauseous later.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Did they define who counts as a big or small business? The chart suggests it's any business with less than 500 employees, which is much more than I consider "small" (should be more like 50). I'm not aware of any existing laws defining who is big or small, so I'm pretty suspicious they snuck in some wording that lets a few big businesses pretend they're small. This is, for better or for worse, the federal government's definition of a "small business": quote:What is SBA's definition of a small business concern? The 500 employee number is a lot simpler. But I wouldn't be surprised if that definition is one of the things that is up in the air to change during City Council deliberation and amendment.
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oxbrain posted:Any business owner who can't figure out how to deal with increased labor costs deserves to go out of business. Gerund posted:So yeah, welcome to the free world, sorry about your drat luck in choosing a lovely product to hock. Somehow I doubt McDonalds and Taco Bell will go away though. :/
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