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straw man posted:One feature that hasn't gotten much discussion is the crafting minigame, which is quite sophisticated and fun - there's a "crafting table" with a small target on it. The goal is to move a point from the center of the table to the target. You get three "moves", which you choose from a menu, each move having a specific but slightly random distance and direction. If you hit the target, you get the "improved" version of the item you were crafting. Sometimes there are multiple targets. It's kind of like golf. You start at the tee, and have 3 shots - and you can see where your shot will land before you take it. So you try and choose the 3 shots that will land in the hole. I love it. Sometimes the target will be obscured by a fog of war, and finding it is trial and error, with a huge tradeskill exp bonus for discovering it.
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Taear posted:The worst part of an engineer is that you cannot unsummon your bots and I only fight things I actually have to fight, so your bot will be stuck in combat with something for the next hour until eventually it dies.
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May 13, 2014 00:50
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Taear posted:The worst part of an engineer is that you cannot unsummon your bots and I only fight things I actually have to fight, so your bot will be stuck in combat with something for the next hour until eventually it dies. You can unsummon your bots, it just isn't documented well. In the keybindings, it is Primary Pet Action Bar 3. (Note: 1 and 2 are attack and return, respectively.)
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May 13, 2014 00:51
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KittyEmpress posted:So, first hour and a half or so impression: Not all that amazing. Playing as an engineer, I got up to level 8. Everything took 5-6 hits with my basic to kill, and it took a good ~3 seconds for each basic shot to get off it felt like. Staying at range with anything that wants to be in melee is basically impossible, and circle strafing is god. If you want to feel powerful during low level questing, try a stalker. I've only played one up to level 6 but hitting something from stealth with your first resource spender hits things for like 80% of their life. I'm guessing damage evens out between the classes later on.
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May 13, 2014 00:52
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Manifest Dynasty posted:You can unsummon your bots, it just isn't documented well. In the keybindings, it is Primary Pet Action Bar 3. (Note: 1 and 2 are attack and return, respectively.) Is that not stop?
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May 13, 2014 01:00
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Doublestep posted:Is there a certain point where this starts happening? When I was doing weaponsmithing I just overloaded points on X stat until it said "1% chance to fail" and pressed Craft. Maybe the minigame is new or architect-only? a cock shaped fruit posted:It's kind of like golf. You start at the tee, and have 3 shots - and you can see where your shot will land before you take it. So you try and choose the 3 shots that will land in the hole. I love it. That's it - it's golf. I haven't seen that fog of war yet... The listing fees on architect stuff are pretty prohibitive, at least for the apprentice tier. It's a good excuse to raise prices though straw man fucked around with this message at 01:05 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 01:03
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You can also unsummon your bots by clicking their portrait underneath your name (by default) and hovering over the targeted nameplate where a really tiny X will appear. It's really obtuse.
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May 13, 2014 01:06
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May 13, 2014 01:11
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So are we pvp folks planing on Pergo?
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May 13, 2014 01:11
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Taear posted:Is that not stop? The third button on the bar is "stop." That key bind makes them disappear. There is also a 4 and 5 keybind I didn't bother to figure out. I assumed it was work in progress, but its still like that... The crafting mini-game is determined by the tradeskill. If you are making gear with stats like weapons and armor, you do the thing with cores that you can overcharge for more stats/higher failure rate. If you are making things that don't have a stat budget (Architect, Technologist, Cooking) then you have the "Warmer/colder" coordinate crafting system. Manifest Dynasty fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 01:13
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Doublestep posted:Is there a certain point where this starts happening? When I was doing weaponsmithing I just overloaded points on X stat until it said "1% chance to fail" and pressed Craft. You have X power, which is determined by the power core you're using along with your talents (weaponsmiths, for example, can reduce power consumption for weapon attachment crafting by 14%). I believe Technologists craft power cores, but you can buy the basic crap ones from vendors or get them from salvaging. After you plop in the core, you will have a number of chips you put in which is dependent on the item you're making. Some have a random or fixed attribute that is automatically assigned with its own power consumption when you begin crafting. You cannot change this, and for the random attributes it becomes a question of how many resources to you want to consume before you roll the best stats (although not all items have random attributes). A chip slot has three colors: red, green, and blue that correspond to different stats. Choosing a stat whose color doesn't match the slot will consume more power than a matching color. At first your stat options are limited, but as you go up the talent tree you unlock more stats. Finally, for each of those chips you determine how much of that stat you want. You can up the stats as much as you like until you go over the power capacity (determined by the power core/talents), at which point you will have a chance for the craft to fail. At first this is low (1% or so), but it very quickly goes up until you are guaranteed to fail. Once you're happy with the stats, you press craft and cross your fingers if you have a chance to fail.
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TLDR Yea, each crafting skill has a different minigame which become progressively more intricate as you level up. Also, guild is by character not by account
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May 13, 2014 01:58
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I don't know if it's just my computer or the game is actually poorly optimized, but it's too bad it seems to play at a constant 24FPS even on lower settings, and doesn't improve on lowest. I am a sucker for housing, so I might potentially buy this game in a year or so when buying a disk isn't so expensive, just to play house maker.
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May 13, 2014 02:09
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Manifest Dynasty posted:The third button on the bar is "stop." That key bind makes them disappear. There is also a 4 and 5 keybind I didn't bother to figure out. I assumed it was work in progress, but its still like that...
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May 13, 2014 02:19
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CrashCat posted:The problem is everyone has a "support" role and the assault role, so literally everyone could make use of two sets. You probably won't see most of the people go away from DPS but anyone could, which is going to make for some lovely loot arguments. This is going to be a problem forever as long as 'DPS' is considered a role of its own. Why people seem so scared of doing away with the 'DPS role' (effectively making every character either a tank, healer, or crowd control while still retaining the ability to do respectable DPS at the same time, so everyone is DPS and your group utility is defined by what else you bring) baffles me.
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May 13, 2014 02:28
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Because the majority of people (going by the queue times in every group finder ever) just want to DPS and not bother with any of that other stuff.
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CrashCat posted:It's rumored that hitting Stop will often convince stray robots to warp back to you. I haven't tried since I switched to a new character to play out Open Beta. This is definitely different behavior than the "Stop" command. They disappear every time. It seems that keybind 1 is attack, 2 is stop/return, 3 is dismiss, 4 is go to location, 5 and 6 are a mystery?
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May 13, 2014 02:33
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Mattavist posted:Because the majority of people (going by the queue times in every group finder ever) just want to DPS and not bother with any of that other stuff. Which is why you let them DPS while also fulfilling a group role, which incidentally fixes the 'problem' of DPS players rolling on non-DPS gear. Not interesting in getting into this argument again, just pointing out that as long as being 'just DPS' is an option you're going to have loot issues.
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May 13, 2014 02:37
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May 13, 2014 02:44
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Where the hell do I get more AMPs? You can buy some from rep vendors in some zones. You can get others from random drops. The "Scavenged Supplies" box from some challenges seem to have AMPs, too.
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The pvp vendors in Thayd/Illium have a bunch of AMPs too. They don't cost much of the pvp currency, so you should be able to get them all after doing maybe 5-10 battlegrounds. Why is AMP capitalised anyway? Is it an acronym? hit button fucked around with this message at 02:56 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 02:54
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AMP locations by class, faction, and zone. Maybe put this in the OP until some database is up and running with everything: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgXsGfQ7VISedDc0ODVSdVE0NG5DSjNrLXhYMXdTQ2c&usp=sharing#gid=0 All AMPs have a chance to drop in the world (for sure) and PvP boxes (I think).
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FoolishLobster posted:AMP locations by class, faction, and zone. Maybe put this in the OP until some database is up and running with everything: done
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WarLocke posted:
Individual loot rolls. Solved.
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Sedisp posted:Individual loot rolls. Solved. Will Wildstar do this? There's really no reason for an MMO to not give each player in the raid their own loot. Or another good method to do it is tokens as currency that you spend at an NPC in town. If Wildstar doesn't do it like this then i'll just avoid raids.
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Ghost of Eazy E posted:So are we pvp folks planing on Pergo? Looks like it?
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I said come in! posted:There's really no reason for an MMO to not give each player in the raid their own loot. 
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I said come in! posted:Will Wildstar do this? There's really no reason for an MMO to not give each player in the raid their own loot. Or another good method to do it is tokens as currency that you spend at an NPC in town. If Wildstar doesn't do it like this then i'll just avoid raids. Hey now, if they are going to do the train wreck that is 40 person raiding, we shouldn't tie their hands with silly expectations of a sane loot system that doesn't generate tons of drama.
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Sedisp posted:Individual loot rolls. Solved. "My loot is just sucky <non-DPS> crap!" Anyway, Esper feels weird after playing Medic. Having to basically root yourself to attacks is kind of clunky. Hopefully it's just a low-level thing but I find myself facetanking mobs with my light armor because it's not worth interrupting a telegraph unless I'm moving out of the red. Oh man I just realized standing in the red is the new standing in the fire...
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Asimo posted:Well unless you want to keep players WoW showed that this doesn't keep players subscribed. It just frustrates players and they quit.
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I said come in! posted:Will Wildstar do this? There's really no reason for an MMO to not give each player in the raid their own loot. Or another good method to do it is tokens as currency that you spend at an NPC in town. If Wildstar doesn't do it like this then i'll just avoid raids. They've said there will be a currency you earn, probably it'll end up being like WotLK era. They won't do individual loot for the raids since while it's great for pugging stuff like in LFR it will only hamper progression raiding.
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Someone mind explaining what "progression raiding" means to this guy that's never played a real MMO? I also see the terms "hardcore raiding" and "semi-hardcore raiding" and it seems all redundant because I don't know if there's an actual meaningful difference to this? edit: patch notes are out quote:#Build 6677 General That's all, link if you want formatting. a cat on an apple fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 13, 2014 |
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Progression raiding means a guild that worked exclusively on doing new content only. In World of Warcraft, I don't know now, but back in Wrath and before that, most guilds only worked on a handful of raid bosses at a time and went pretty slowly. The more serious raiding guilds ranged anywhere from only ever tackling new raid bosses each week to playing 12+ hours a day every single day and those were the hardcore raid guilds.
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WarLocke posted:"My loot is just sucky <non-DPS> crap!" For dungeons/raids this is as simple as selecting whether or not you want DPS or your off spec gear before the first boss or each time you win a loot roll.
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I said come in! posted:Progression raiding means a guild that worked exclusively on doing new content only. In World of Warcraft, I don't know now, but back in Wrath and before that, most guilds only worked on a handful of raid bosses at a time and went pretty slowly. The more serious raiding guilds ranged anywhere from only ever tackling new raid bosses each week to playing 12+ hours a day every single day and those were the hardcore raid guilds. Tip of the iceberg as well. Progression means they're racing other guilds for server firsts, world rankings, etc. Which invariably leads to massive poopsocking and screening just as stringent or more than most job interviews. Going over raid performance with 3rd party apps and spreadsheeting your character to maximize tanking/dps/healing. Grinding whatever material for food/potion buffs supplies for their next raid. Maximizing your character so it's as powerful without raid gear as it can be. Literally treat the game as a 2nd job. Semi hard core to me is having the same "serious business" approach to raiding, but they have some sort of common sense and refuse to spend more than in a damned video game than is healthy for them. All of this leads to some of the shittiest people and communities ever seen in the online gaming space.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They've said there will be a currency you earn, probably it'll end up being like WotLK era. They won't do individual loot for the raids since while it's great for pugging stuff like in LFR it will only hamper progression raiding. How exactly does it hamper progression raiding? If anything, I'd imagine it makes it easier because you don't have to set up some way to distribute loot and can just focus on character min-maxing, raid performance, and all the spreadsheet stuff.
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Progression raiding means there is a boss that kills your raid every time. When the raiders learn the fight, and farm up enough gear from the bosses that they can kill, they "progress" to the next boss. The next boss often kills them every time as well. Progression raiding just means raiders who don't throw their hands up in the air and quit when they wipe on a boss. A casual raiding guild doing normal mode bosses in WoW can be a progression raiding guild. (i.e. there are bosses the raid can't kill, and they work at it until they get the kill). Progression is how raiding is generally supposed to work. Looking For Raid in WoW is a bit of an exception, as it not supposed to be progression raiding, but "tourist mode". Which is super popular, and that popularity makes it an equally valid and good game mode to include in an MMO. Individual loot came out of Looking For Raid, but many raids more or less already simulated it by just having an "everyone who can use it /roll" based loot system. Many "elite" raiders don't like it because in theory the ability to choose who gets the loot means that you can stack gear on the characters that will help the raid the most the fastest. For some guilds, this actually works as advertised. In most guilds it usually means the guild leadership or officers end up being nerds with power and hand the loot out to the 'inner circle' first. Or they use "dragon kill points" which is problematic as gently caress, because it basically leads to collusion or point hording to chase after best in slot gear while not taking moderate upgrades and putting them to good use. Individual loot honestly works best for the majority of members in the majority of raiding guilds. For 99% of raiders, actually learning to play their class better will have 10x the effect of any min/maxing of the loot distribution. Having the option to do group loot is a reasonable thing to include in a game, but it is a pretty bad default system.
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Cyclomatic posted:
And then they do this exact same thing for weeks and months just so they can do the same thing again when the next raid comes out. I do not understand raiders at all. At what point is this fun?
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Sedisp posted:And then they do this exact same thing for weeks and months just so they can do the same thing again when the next raid comes out. Same way doing a puzzle is fun. And it's a multiplayer puzzle too. It's also not for everyone, but quite a few people like it.
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Sedisp posted:And then they do this exact same thing for weeks and months just so they can do the same thing again when the next raid comes out. It's fun if you have people you enjoy raiding with. I did it for several years in WoW and about a year in Rift because I enjoyed shooting the poo poo with the people I was dying to bosses with. If you don't like/don't talk to your group then it's a lot more dull.
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