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Dickail Bulgeakov posted:He has the best win percentage of any tottenham manager in the premier league era, but o.k. but he doesn't win in a way that is tactically acceptable for spurs fans and therefore he must be fired.
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May 13, 2014 15:31
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To be fair, all that means is that clearly the managers who came before him were dumber than rocks.
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May 13, 2014 15:34
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yeah sure the results are good. great, big whoop. whatever. have you seen his press conferences?
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May 13, 2014 15:37
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I think I hate twitter. So far I've learned that Allardyce is safe, Allardyce will be sacked in 10 days, Allardyce is still in a meeting about being sacked, and Allardyce has been sacked.
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May 13, 2014 15:52
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blue footed boobie posted:but he doesn't win in a way that is tactically acceptable for spurs fans and therefore he must be fired.
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May 13, 2014 16:18
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8raz posted:it's sort of like the way wenger loses in a tactically acceptable way and therefore must not walk. its a funny old game. I am a noted proponent of Wenger walking so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
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May 13, 2014 16:20
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Dickail Bulgeakov posted:He has the best win percentage of any tottenham manager in the premier league era, but o.k. why do people keep saying this like it means anything at all? He's had the most expensive squad Spurs have ever had, and he also has an actual striker attempting to score goals, which the previous incumbent of that record did not. AVB also had the best win percentage. Watch their matches, they're loving hilariously bad at football. When you spend that much money you're going to take points because one of your players will wake up. He's utterly clueless, the players don't like him, he's a lunatic in the press and on the field. It's literally like arguing Avram Grant was a good manager.
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May 13, 2014 16:22
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Inflation in wages and transfer fees means every team has the most expensive squad they've ever had though. He has a striker capable of scoring because he managed to persaude Adebayor to try even when a contract wasn't at stake, which is probably the greatest managerial feat of all time.
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May 13, 2014 16:29
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It's still absolutely hilarious that AVB just sat Adebayor in the club box while Soldado shat all over the field.
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May 13, 2014 16:30
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Blue Screen Error posted:Inflation in wages and transfer fees means every team has the most expensive squad they've ever had though. He did, which is impressive. But AVB had the best points total of all spurs managers and I don't see many people arguing that he wasn't an autistic moron who refused to understand that you're allowed to change tactics to suit your players. Fucks sake, Moyes had some meaningless points per game record or other at Man United, if you think it means anything then you probably don't watch games. Spurs are some comical shite and while I enjoy it, the amount of twats posting poo poo that belongs in the weekend web who clearly haven't watched the games stopped being funny a few weeks ago. Sherwood is a PE teacher.
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May 13, 2014 16:36
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Spangly A posted:He did, which is impressive. But AVB had the best points total of all spurs managers and I don't see many people arguing that he wasn't an autistic moron who refused to understand that you're allowed to change tactics to suit your players. Villas Boas and Sherwood are both good and win. there are better managers out there but here's the thing: you're not actually going to get any of those managers, because you're a poo poo team and you have an awful record of sacking people who take that position.
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May 13, 2014 16:40
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Dickail Bulgeakov posted:Villas Boas and Sherwood are both good and win. there are better managers out there but here's the thing: you're not actually going to get any of those managers, because you're a poo poo team and you have an awful record of sacking people who take that position. Spangly A supports West Ham.
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May 13, 2014 16:40
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So we've now gone so far into stats are useless territory that we're throwing away points won as a metric. Maybe we should have judges watching football matches to award the win to whoever most looks like they know what they are doing.
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May 13, 2014 16:40
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points: officially meaningless
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May 13, 2014 16:41
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I don't know why anyone brings up a teams record of sacking their managers as if it has any bearing on someone new coming in
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May 13, 2014 16:41
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blue footed boobie posted:Spangly A supports West Ham. another team with ridiculous expectations of their managers, makes sense
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May 13, 2014 16:42
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Jose posted:I don't know why anyone brings up a teams record of sacking their managers as if it has any bearing on someone new coming in idk, if Spurs have a track record of firing managers with consistently improving records it doesn't exactly speak well for what's going on at the boardroom level
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May 13, 2014 16:43
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blue footed boobie posted:idk, if Spurs have a track record of firing managers with consistently improving records it doesn't exactly speak well for what's going on at the boardroom level If the records are consistently improving with each manager sacked maybe they're onto something?
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May 13, 2014 16:44
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blue footed boobie posted:idk, if Spurs have a track record of firing managers with consistently improving records it doesn't exactly speak well for what's going on at the boardroom level Managers won't give a poo poo though. You get sacked after a season and you get a big pay off and nobody at other clubs gives a poo poo when it comes time to find a new job
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May 13, 2014 16:44
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Blue Screen Error posted:So we've now gone so far into stats are useless territory that we're throwing away points won as a metric. Maybe we should have judges watching football matches to award the win to whoever most looks like they know what they are doing. 6 months is a poo poo sample size for "most points per game" if Sherwood had got them into CL I'd be more than happy to say he's a good manager, because it would have been true. But once again: Moyes had a better games won % than SAF and that's because he had a better squad and a meaningless sample size. Dickail Bulgeakov posted:another team with ridiculous expectations of their managers, makes sense I want us to play young players and not spunk money on big lads the manager somehow doesnt know how to use, being in the prem is a bonus but I dont really care (because it's cheaper to play in the Championship) West Ham are a championship club and should go back there imo because gently caress our ticket prices. e; also if you win games but your players outright tell you they're all looking for new clubs because you're gonna get sacked because nobody wants you, you should probably get fired I mean idk I don't think this is controversial Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:48 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 16:45
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Spangly A posted:6 months is a poo poo sample size for "most points per game" You've just made up that Moyes fact though, its not real. If 6 months of getting 2 points a game isn't enough to judge him a decent manager, why is it enough time to judge him "a PE teacher"?
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May 13, 2014 16:50
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I don't really have an issue with Sherwood being sacked, but it just seems like Spurs are all over the place with what they want to do. They keep bringing in new managers who seem to have very little say in what players are brought in and keep sacking them apparently regardless of results. It doesn't exactly seem to be a recipe for success.
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May 13, 2014 16:51
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Spangly A posted:e; also if you win games but your players outright tell you they're all looking for new clubs because you're gonna get sacked because nobody wants you, you should probably get fired I mean idk I don't think this is controversial Don't forget pissing off both our best player AND the entire youth team
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May 13, 2014 16:51
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Blue Screen Error posted:You've just made up that Moyes fact though, its not real. If 6 months of getting 2 points a game isn't enough to judge him a decent manager, why is it enough time to judge him "a PE teacher"? He never once used Eriksen as a trequartista, or uh Soldado as a false flag 9/10. What a joke
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May 13, 2014 16:51
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Jose posted:Managers won't give a poo poo though. You get sacked after a season and you get a big pay off and nobody at other clubs gives a poo poo when it comes time to find a new job Rafa, Capello, de Boer or anyone else who would be an upgrade on Sherwood will be wealthy enough not to care about the pay-off. They may care about not working with the board who spent the last few months humiliating Our Tim though. Anyway, Spurs should've been looking for a proper new manager since they sacked AVB and already have someone in place.
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May 13, 2014 16:51
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Spangly A posted:6 months is a poo poo sample size for "most points per game" Are you saying Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson?
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May 13, 2014 16:51
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blue footed boobie posted:I don't really have an issue with Sherwood being sacked, but it just seems like Spurs are all over the place with what they want to do. They keep bringing in new managers who seem to have very little say in what players are brought in and keep sacking them apparently regardless of results. It doesn't exactly seem to be a recipe for success. Redknapp got to bring in everyone he wanted and it was largely dross like Ryan Nelson. It was only really last summer with Franco Baldini in charge of finding players that AVB didn't seem to get who he wanted
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May 13, 2014 16:53
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Spangly A posted:He's utterly clueless, the players don't like him, he's a lunatic in the press and on the field. It's literally like arguing Avram Grant was a good manager. Thank you for some sanity. Sherwood was way over this head. His "woe is me, I'm a supply teacher waaa" gimmick was absurd at the end. blue footed boobie posted:It's still absolutely hilarious that AVB just sat Adebayor in the club box while Soldado shat all over the field. Adebayor played 25 league games in AVB's first year and scored only 5 goals. Then he got hurt and suffered a personal loss during the off season. His personality and moodiness seemed at odds with AVB/most rational managers. Soladao was brought in at a very high price and had to be given all the chances he could, or else Levy would get pissed. Of course, Levy did get mad anyway as Adebayor and his high wages sat on the bench so damned if you do, damned if you don't...
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May 13, 2014 16:53
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Its going to hilarious for everyone (except my friend Carrier) when Spurs appoint some new fancy foreign man and still finish 6th
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May 13, 2014 16:54
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Blue Screen Error posted:You've just made up that Moyes fact though, its not real. If 6 months of getting 2 points a game isn't enough to judge him a decent manager, why is it enough time to judge him "a PE teacher"? not gonna lie I might actually be making it up, he definitely had some bullshit stat about his win%. I'll go check. e;  You're really using this as a metric lads. This. Again, from watching his matches, it's fairly obvious the players aren't structured and are just fakken runnin abaht. It's like watching a Rednkapp team except the players aren't responding to the arm round the shoulder. It's not that 6 months of that many points per game isn't a good record. It's that over time that record is going to go down because he'll be in charge of buying players, building the squad, and training. He's apparently a very good coach, so the players wouldn't decline. But the way he picks players is loving bizarre, feel free to ask any Spurs fan about Rose, Sandro, Gylffi trying to defend, or his best player trying to run down the wing despite not being very fast.
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May 13, 2014 16:54
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Spangly A posted:But the way he picks players is loving bizarre, feel free to ask any Spurs fan about Rose, Sandro, Gylffi trying to defend, or his best player trying to run down the wing despite not being very fast. Let's not forget the Chadli central midfield experiment or Kyle Walker (!!!) as a CAM vs Chelsea
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May 13, 2014 16:57
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Are people ITT arguing that Tim Sherwood is a good manager
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May 13, 2014 17:01
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Playing players 'out of position' is not inherently bad though. If its winning games and making for exciting football who cares.
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May 13, 2014 17:03
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No, people are arguing that Sherwood is poo poo but that Levy is worse.
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May 13, 2014 17:03
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Blue Screen Error posted:Its going to hilarious for everyone (except my friend Carrier) when Spurs appoint some new fancy foreign man and still finish 6th Agreed, if his name was Sherwoodini he'd have got the job for life
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May 13, 2014 17:04
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Sherwood didn't really have enough games to even establish statistical significance. If he'd dropped 4 more points he would have had the same points average as Juande Ramos. One less win and his win percentage is 10 points worse than AVB's. As it stands he was about par for what you'd expect from Tottenham over the past 10 years or so.
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May 13, 2014 17:06
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Blue Screen Error posted:Playing players 'out of position' is not inherently bad though. If its winning games and making for exciting football who cares. I agree. Gylfi Sigurddson trying to tackle, though. A winger who cant tackle, pass or figure out where to stand as a CM. Your best playmaker looking confused out on the wing for *reasons* (he wasn't actually bad there tbh). I didn't see Walker as CAM but it sounds funny. Rose playing any matches at all ever. Ditto Townsend. The games are crap and boring, then they go down, and Ade and Eriksen drag them back into it by the throat. You've now seen all their games. Eau de MacGowan posted:No, people are arguing that Sherwood is poo poo but that Levy is worse. Sometimes I think about Berbatov and Keane being sold and Levy smugging it up about how he'd fleeced them £50m or so and Spurs not having any strikers and I'm thankful our porn barons at least keep their dumb poo poo private.
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May 13, 2014 17:07
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Dickail Bulgeakov posted:He has the best win percentage of any tottenham manager in the premier league era, but o.k. That's why we finished 6th and are gonna play against Latvian teams in the EL.
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May 13, 2014 17:09
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Modus Trollens posted:Are people ITT arguing that Tim Sherwood is a good manager Are you arguing that he's been treated anything other than shabbily? Like the treatment of Moyes, it doesn't reflect well on his employers.
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Dickail Bulgeakov posted:He has the best win percentage of any tottenham manager in the premier league era, but o.k. What are you talking about? AVB had a 55% win percentage. Sherwood had 50%.
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