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I am a little surprised Channel is Mythic Rare, I guess that's for limited considerations? Not at all surprised Mana Crypt is, that thing is busted.
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May 14, 2014 05:39
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Entropic posted:It's MTGO only and MTGO looks like rear end. It's specifically the MTGO Beta which looks way worse than v3 in terms of the text stuff
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May 14, 2014 05:40
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rabidsquid posted:I am a little surprised Channel is Mythic Rare, I guess that's for limited considerations? Not at all surprised Mana Crypt is, that thing is busted. Channel seems pretty mediocre in limited(it's a ritual, rituals usually aren't good in limited), but the only reason it's not more busted than Mana Crypt in constructed is that it's green rather than colorless.
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May 14, 2014 06:45
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Elyv posted:Channel seems pretty mediocre in limited(it's a ritual, rituals usually aren't good in limited), but the only reason it's not more busted than Mana Crypt in constructed is that it's green rather than colorless. Have you not played Cube before? Channel is pretty great in a powered Cube. It's a ritual, but it's one that lets you hardcast Big poo poo. I mean, Channel + Fireball was a thing.
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May 14, 2014 06:56
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Zorak posted:Have you not played Cube before? Channel is pretty great in a powered Cube. It's a ritual, but it's one that lets you hardcast Big poo poo. I mean, Channel + Fireball was a thing. Sure, but from what we've seen so far this isn't a set filled with enormous colorless things. Channel is a lot worse when that's not the case. Also, I posted that before I realized there was a common fireball.
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May 14, 2014 07:00
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Let me get something straight, all the commons in Vintage Masters are going to be Pauper available, right? Geez, that's going to cause quite some shake up if that's true.
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May 14, 2014 07:03
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Ramos posted:Let me get something straight, all the commons in Vintage Masters are going to be Pauper available, right? Gavin's article on it made special mention on Wurn and Logic were now commons online, and even how convoluted the common rarity can be (serrated arrows) yet still a major player in the pauper meta. Maybe they will reinstate pauper dalies too.
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May 14, 2014 07:35
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I just looked at replays of last weekend's modern tournament. LSV now plays with lands on top the sensible way so gtfo unbelievers.
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May 14, 2014 07:47
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Fox of Stone posted:I just looked at replays of last weekend's modern tournament. LSV now plays with lands on top the sensible way so gtfo unbelievers. He switched on purpose to troll Gerry Thompson. LSV's cruelty is boundless.
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May 14, 2014 07:52
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Bugsy posted:Gavin's article on it made special mention on Wurn and Logic were now commons online, and even how convoluted the common rarity can be (serrated arrows) yet still a major player in the pauper meta. I really wish they had never removed Pauper dailies and I don't have any idea why they did, they fired with decent frequency. I hope it's not too  to suggest that short of Momir dailies that Pauper was the cheapest way to start grinding to go infinite.
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May 14, 2014 08:00
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Elyv posted:Sure, but from what we've seen so far this isn't a set filled with enormous colorless things. Channel is a lot worse when that's not the case. It doesn't need to be colorless to be busted. If it's got X in the CMC then Channel is gonna be bonkers with it (queue posts of Gridlock, etc.)
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May 14, 2014 08:11
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rabidsquid posted:I really wish they had never removed Pauper dailies and I don't have any idea why they did, they fired with decent frequency. I hope it's not too How expensive is the "best" pauper deck? I sold out of modo a couple months ago but I kind of miss the infinite grind in some sickeningly spergy way.
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May 14, 2014 08:12
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Homo for Hitler posted:How expensive is the "best" pauper deck? I sold out of modo a couple months ago but I kind of miss the infinite grind in some sickeningly spergy way. There are a lot of viable decks, I think mono blue delver is the best deck and also probably the most expensive, although I haven't checked on the price of Cloud of Faeries and Snap lately. I haven't kept up on the price of Pauper cards in a long time since I haven't had to buy any but Atog Affinity is ridiculously cheap and can be had for $5-10. At its peak MUC/Delver was probably $70 because of the ridiculous price that Blue Elemental Blast, Gush, Serrated Arrows, Cloud of Faeries, Snap, and Brainstorm all carried. Really fun deck though if you like casting Spire Golems and Sea Gate Oracle.
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rabidsquid posted:There are a lot of viable decks, I think mono blue delver is the best deck and also probably the most expensive, although I haven't checked on the price of Cloud of Faeries and Snap lately. I haven't kept up on the price of Pauper cards in a long time since I haven't had to buy any but Atog Affinity is ridiculously cheap and can be had for $5-10. At its peak MUC/Delver was probably $70 because of the ridiculous price that Blue Elemental Blast, Gush, Serrated Arrows, Cloud of Faeries, Snap, and Brainstorm all carried. Really fun deck though if you like casting Spire Golems and Sea Gate Oracle. Thanks for that! Delver is probably the way I would go anyways since I play delver in legacy and am already familiar with it but at $70 I honestly think it might just be more worthwhile to invest the additional $60 to make my current iteration of mono blue in standard. Sorry about your leblanc
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Homo for Hitler posted:Thanks for that! Delver is probably the way I would go anyways since I play delver in legacy and am already familiar with it but at $70 I honestly think it might just be more worthwhile to invest the additional $60 to make my current iteration of mono blue in standard. Sorry about your leblanc I am sorry about Leblanc too  Also if MTGO Traders website is accurate the price of Mono Blue actually dropped tremendously. Cloud of Faeries is about 1.74, Snaps cost is inconsequential, and Serrated Arrows is even under $5. Hydroblast at two bucks. Take a gander at the top result here for a good MUC/Delver list: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdigital%2Fmagiconline%2Ftourn%2F7083509 edit: Expensive but niche SB cards like Echoing Decay and Hydroblast really raise the price of the deck, and are not strictly necessary. Daze is another very expensive card that can easily be substituted for with something like Deprive (or my personal favorite Logic Knot) second edit: Pricing it out it looks like you can build a really good Delver list for $35. Atog Affinity is still ridiculously cheap. After Vintage Masters comes out U/G Madness may be a deck and won't be that expensive either. Goblins might get better too with a real Goblin lord and gets to play with Death Spark and Goblin Sledder which is also fun. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 08:51 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 08:42
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This motherfucker is going to cause so many rules headaches. Her ability produces mana and has no targets, so it is a mana ability, which means that it can be activated while you're casting a spell, activating an ability, or paying for a triggered ability or special action. I'd like you to look up the Oracle rulings for Chromatic Sphere. I'll wait. Oh, but it gets worse. The mana ability produces an amount of mana based on cards in non-public zones. Which means you can tap her to play, say, a Garruk's Companion, and come up with 1 or 0 mana. And since it reveals information from hidden zones, it can't be rewound like you normally could if you tried to cast a spell illegally. So if you try and cast a spell off of her and fail to come up with enough mana, the game hardlocks and demons fly out of your nose. This thing is going to get errata drat quick, saying "Activate this ability only when you could cast an instant", like Charmed Pendant does.
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May 14, 2014 09:03
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rabidsquid posted:I am sorry about Leblanc too What is think twice doing in the sideboard? Also looks like I am building that sometime soom.
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May 14, 2014 09:09
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If her ability is a mana ability, does that mean her entire effect doesn't use the stack? Essentially: is it not possible to respond to the card draw portion of her ability, if your opponent, for instance, really didn't want to draw the top card of their deck?
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May 14, 2014 10:02
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AegisP posted:If her ability is a mana ability, does that mean her entire effect doesn't use the stack? Essentially: is it not possible to respond to the card draw portion of her ability, if your opponent, for instance, really didn't want to draw the top card of their deck?
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Homo for Hitler posted:What is think twice doing in the sideboard? Also looks like I am building that sometime soom. Think Twice is actually ridiculously good for two reasons, one is the card advantage in the mirror, and the second is that it lets you use all of your mana while holding up counter magic. Outside of the mirror it is not great. edit: MUC is similar to Delver but trends more towards control a la Spire Golem and Sea Gate Oracle and fan favorite Mulldrifter so if that's more your speed there's something to investigate there. It tends to be a bit more counter heavy, and Spire Golem is a huge blocker in the format. I fuckin love casting Mulldrifters and Sea Gate Oracles so it's the version I prefer but the more aggro Delver deck tends to perform better. Playing with Ninja of the Deep Hours is also very satisfying in Delver, but I mean, Mulldrifter. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 11:37 on May 14, 2014 |
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AegisP posted:If her ability is a mana ability, does that mean her entire effect doesn't use the stack? Essentially: is it not possible to respond to the card draw portion of her ability, if your opponent, for instance, really didn't want to draw the top card of their deck? Even if it wasn't a mana ability, for example if it read "T: Each player reveals the top card of his or her library. You gain 1 life for each nonland card revealed this way. Then each player draws a card.", no one could respond in between the card reveal and the card draw, because it's all part of the same effect. Zemyla posted:This motherfucker is going to cause so many rules headaches. Ugh, agreed. Unless they're somehow updating the comp rules to say something to the effect of abilities aren't mana abilities if they ask for information in hidden zones (I can't think of any card that violates this rule at the moment if there is one) or involve drawing cards, this is ugly and the instant-timing clause is the best way to handle it.
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May 14, 2014 11:47
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Zorak posted:https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/li/299
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It might just be that parley itself is defined as instant speed.
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Molybdenum posted:It might just be that parley itself is defined as instant speed. Parley is like heroic, it isn't an actual keyword with rulings. It's just a codifier to connect similar cards together.
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May 14, 2014 13:11
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Molybdenum posted:It might just be that parley itself is defined as instant speed. It's an ability word (not a keyword), so Parley itself has no rules meaning.
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May 14, 2014 13:12
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The ruling is that it will never be ruled in your favor, because it's a conspiracy against you.
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May 14, 2014 13:14
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Zorak posted:Have you not played Cube before? Channel is pretty great in a powered Cube. It's a ritual, but it's one that lets you hardcast Big poo poo. I mean, Channel + Fireball was a thing. Channel Emrakul  Channel Blightsteel is pretty cute too
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May 14, 2014 14:57
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I'm curious what the good reanimator / cheat-in targets will be since VM is only pre-8th-Edition cards.
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Entropic posted:I'm curious what the good reanimator / cheat-in targets will be since VM is only pre-8th-Edition cards. The article says that the reanimator deck isn't bringing back 8 drops, it's more of a grindy value deck. So I doubt there will be many "cast reanimate on this turn 2 and win" cards floating around.
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Zemyla posted:This motherfucker is going to cause so many rules headaches. I assume they'll add a ruling that indefinite mana generation can't be counted as a mana ability to circumvent that nightmare. The Charmed Pendant templating makes the most sense, of course. Zoness fucked around with this message at 15:18 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 15:04
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Entropic posted:I'm curious what the good reanimator / cheat-in targets will be since VM is only pre-8th-Edition cards. JTMS is in it. Where does it say pre 8th edition?
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Snacksmaniac posted:JTMS is in it. Where does it say pre 8th edition? It says not modern legal, he interpreted that to be mean only older than 8th ed. cards. Which is mostly, but not completely true.
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May 14, 2014 15:15
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That makes sense. Skullclamp is banned too and post 8E.
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May 14, 2014 15:16
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The latest spoilers reminded me that I still have four unopened FTV: 20s online. There's pretty much no way to get rid of these, is there?
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May 14, 2014 15:24
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:The latest spoilers reminded me that I still have four unopened FTV: 20s online. There's pretty much no way to get rid of these, is there? How much even is a FTV 20 Jace, anyway? Oh. 26 dollars. Well there's that.
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May 14, 2014 15:47
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Korak posted:Could Selvala see any play in Bant Legacy goodstuff? As a 3-mana 2/4 with a mediocre ability that doesn't do anything the turn it comes into play? It seems vanishingly unlikely to me.
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May 14, 2014 15:49
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Count Bleck posted:How much even is a FTV 20 Jace, anyway?  Oh! You mean on MODO. Still, the paper ones are hovering south of $90 for a beat-up copy, I should probably get my playset soon. EDIT: Wait, what? I don't remember Force of Will being south of $90 either. Was I thinking of Mana Drain? Wasteland? Whatevs, I guess I know what'll be anchoring my next TCGplayer shipment.
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May 14, 2014 15:50
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Count Bleck posted:How much even is a FTV 20 Jace, anyway? Near as I can tell though there's nearly no one interested in buying them, as now even the regular set Jace is only 39 tickets, and that's only going to go down now that it's in VMA as well. Certainly seems like there's no advantage in keeping them sealed.
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Count Bleck posted:How much even is a FTV 20 Jace, anyway? FTV sets don't get quantity-limited online the same way they do physically. Anyone who wants can get their hands on them at MSRP. It was quite amusing seeing the price of WWK Jace cratering when it was announced.
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