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Brave New World posted:I'm getting ready to do my first new build in a very long time. This is mostly going to be used for playing MMOs(LOTRO, TOR, TSW) and general surfing. My budget is over $1500, but keeping things on the low-end is always a plus. 1) Yes 2) Won't matter much imo with mid tower 3) This is difficult. I'm unfamiliar with those games. I'm going to guess no, but... a 770 is better and the cost difference has narrowed. If those are like MMO's of the past that weren't exactly bleeding edge graphics compared to big name titles then probably not. That being said, if it were me and knowing what I do now, I'd definitely get a 770 over a 760 if the cost is $260 and $320, if I was already dropping $1500 on a setup. 4) Get ready for a little mid tower bashing. I don't mind ATX or mATX personally, price is king for me. Despite what I said in #3, I'd probably invest another $30 or so in a better cooler if you plan on overclocking much (presumably based on the cpu + mobo)
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Straker posted:Well, it's a 50% drop in max memory throughput, but that's irrelevant for most stuff nowdays, I can't imagine how it might have any adverse effect for database use, especially if it's just an educational/personal thing and won't actually see much use besides test loads or whatever. It looks like Intel motherboards support triple channel memory nowadays, so as long as the DIMM size is the same (4GB) there's no performance downside, and I can wait for a sale to pick up the last 4GB and go to quad-channel at that point. http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-011965.htm#triple  Additionally there's "flex mode" which will put whatever the lowest common denominator of matched size memory (4 & 8/8 = 4 & 4/8) and the remainder is single channel (4 & 4/8 on dual channel, 4/8 on single channel) so there's no degradation of performance on the 4GB dual-channel, and you still get regular performance on the remaining 4GB for 12GB.
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Hadlock posted:It looks like Intel motherboards support triple channel memory nowadays, so as long as the DIMM size is the same (4GB) there's no performance downside, and I can wait for a sale to pick up the last 4GB and go to quad-channel at that point. Consumer-grade motherboards do not support triple or quad channel memory access. If you want that kind of bandwidth, you're looking at workstation/server grade hardware. For example, the 4670K only supports two memory channels. http://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=429564828 So be cautious, just because some Intel hardware supports it, does not mean all Intel hardware supports it. Boards and chips are not created equal when it comes to memory bus width. Edit: For example this Xeon supports quad-channel memory access when used in a compatible motherboard. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 13, 2014 |
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Okay, I followed the plan of buying everything from the Fry's two miles away. The prices are similar for most things, but I am finding that the hard drive selection and choice of cases is not the best. That said, I was able to put this together but wanted feedback, particularly on the hard drive, but on everything in general. 7970500 Cooler Master Elite V2 550 Watt Power Supply $59.99 7829209 Patriot Viper 3 8GB DDR3 1866MHz Dual Memory PV38G186C0K $89.99 7721178 ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $349.99 7877759 Corsair Graphite Series 230T Windowed Compact Mid Tower Rebel Orange $79.99 7796508 Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive MZ-7TE250BW $139.00 8044344 Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Haswell Processor $189.00 7697917 ASUS B85M-E/ CSM Mobo $89.99 4690998 PPA INTERNAL CARD READER $12.99 7837239 Windows 8.1 Core $119.99 7665057 LG OEM DVDRW 24X Int $24.99 7725758 WD Desktop Mainstream 3TB Internal Hard Drive Retail Kit WDBH2D0030HNC-NRSN $129.99 subtotal: $1,285.91
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Brave New World posted:I'm getting ready to do my first new build in a very long time. This is mostly going to be used for playing MMOs(LOTRO, TOR, TSW) and general surfing. My budget is over $1500, but keeping things on the low-end is always a plus. 2. Why do you think you should? You'll be using every hardwired connector of a semi-modular PSU and will be putting it in a large case, so it comes down to if things like colored cables or premium features of a specific fully-modular power supply are important to you. 4. Has a good rating it seems. As long as you measured out the space you're going to put it in and have room for air to circulate, I see no reason to talk you out of it.
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Sapato posted:So I looked at some more HDs, since it was said that my original choice ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236604 ) was lame. I've been reading this stuff too, and honestly the newegg reviews were throwing me off too. However, apparently the negativity may stem from neweggs shipping practices. Order the Red from Amazon, the reviews there are much more positive because they're shipping standards are greater. After that download wdiddle and check the header speed so it's not set stupidly low.
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Brave New World posted:I'm getting ready to do my first new build in a very long time. This is mostly going to be used for playing MMOs(LOTRO, TOR, TSW) and general surfing. My budget is over $1500, but keeping things on the low-end is always a plus. That case is ok, but it's hard to recommend because it occupies a niche (silence oriented PC that still has decent airflow) that also contains the superior fractal Design Define R4 and the vastly superior Nanoxia DS1.
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The Lord Bude posted:That case is ok, but it's hard to recommend because it occupies a niche (silence oriented PC that still has decent airflow) that also contains the superior fractal Design Define R4 and the vastly superior Nanoxia DS1. Speaking of the DS1: I just completed a build with the DS1. The case is great, but the screws and spacers it comes with are complete poo poo. I stripped the head off of 3 philips screws trying to put in my power supply. Two of the spacers were also too large and couldn't go snug with case. I dug out some screws and spacers from previous builds and started using them instead.
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I've done three builds in DS cases and didn't have any problems with the screws. The real problem is using the right screws, as they are all mixed up and there is a different screw for every mount pretty much. The screws themselves were fine, unlike in a Prodigy build where I had to hacksaw out the ODD bay as one of the screws was just slipping.
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Brave New World posted:1. I'm stressing out over the MoBo. I want one with really good sound quality as well as good reviews. Any suggestions? I don't understand, at all, the anti-sound-card mentality around here. I respect Lord Bude's dedication to this thread but I think he can sometimes drown out other opinions (if I recall correctly him being all about Realtek onboard) and mine is that dedicated sound cards are a smart buy for anyone who wants... good sound. As they are entirely separate from the motherboard they 1) are removed from a number of potential issues that onboard sound can have, such as weird crackling, and 2) they can be moved from system to system for a very long time. Whether you go internal (something like an Asus Xonar [STX is my preference, for the awesome headphone amp]) or external USB DAC/amp etc is up to you. But I think it's smarter money than an expensive mainboard. Not that you have to spend a lot for a decent sound chip, just saying.
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I actually prefer sound cards, even a cheap one is better than on board sometimes. I only bought one after having sound issues with on board once but ended up liking it better than when it was working fine. But as far as I could tell it doesn't actually circumvent DPC latency issues at all. And, it's likely a lot of on board sound is up to par with average sound cards. But I only don't use one now because it no longer fits. I'm not sure how they compare to quality on board sound though so I never recommend them either way. The mobo I have sounds just fine, but I've never been able to use a sound card on it so I can't compare. So I have a xonar (something) just sitting in a drawer.
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I'm getting a new system for relatively serious gaming and some light media editing etc. Price point is pretty flexible but lower is definitely better, and ~13-1350 is about the top end. I'm getting that specific monitor because I have another I got last year for my laptop and I'd rather have two of the same ones. Any suggestions on parts that are cheaper/would work better or anything that doesn't fit? Also looking for any feedback on the case selection, haven't really had to pick one myself before. Portability for the case would be a plus because I'm going to be moving frequently for the next few months. I was also wondering if it would be worth getting a sound card even if I'm not an audiophile and think that lovely $10 earbuds give good sound quality. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Jefz Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Jefz/by_merchant/ Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Jefz/benchmarks/ CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI Z87M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.79 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($244.99 @ Micro Center) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($240.98 @ Newegg) Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg) Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($155.90 @ Amazon) Wireless Network Adapter: Intel 62205ANHMWDTX1 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($33.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech G105 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($39.99 @ Amazon) Total: $1325.60 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-13 12:41 EDT-0400)
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passionatebeaver posted:I'm getting a new system for relatively serious gaming and some light media editing etc. Changed the motherboard to one that doesn't have BSD causing LAN. Swapped your memory for something without heatsinks so they don't get in the way of the heatsink. If you're going to be overclocking, you need a cooler, stock HSF will not do. Or else get a cheaper CPU/Mobo. Do you already have a HDD/NAS? 500gb isn't going to be much for media editing. Reduced your SSD to allow in a HDD. The WD Blue is cheaper and might be more suited for your mediawork. [PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3JfEj) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3JfEj/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3JfEj/benchmarks/) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670k) | $219.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu12s) | $64.99 @ Newegg **Motherboard** | [Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-gryphonz87) | $156.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s00) | $74.99 @ Newegg **Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Disk](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te500bw) | $259.99 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn760oc2gdrev20) | $249.99 @ Amazon **Case** | [Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011028ww) | $89.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9) | $69.99 @ Newegg **Monitor** | [Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs239hp) | $155.90 @ Amazon **Wireless Network Adapter** | [Intel 62205ANHMWDTX1 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-wireless-network-card-62205anhmwdtx1) | $33.99 @ Amazon **Keyboard** | [Logitech G105 Wired Gaming Keyboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/logitech-keyboard-920003371) | $39.99 @ Amazon | | **Total** | Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1416.80 | Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-13 13:03 EDT-0400 | DAMN NIGGA fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 13, 2014 |
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ShaneB posted:I don't understand, at all, the anti-sound-card mentality around here. I respect Lord Bude's dedication to this thread but I think he can sometimes drown out other opinions (if I recall correctly him being all about Realtek onboard) That's not my opinion at all. Buying a crazy mobo just for the sound quality is not something I'd recommend, I just point out that some otherwise good value mobos have better sound than other good value mobos. I'm not about to tell someone to buy a ROG board just for the onboard sound for eg. I think that onboard sound is adequate for people with cheap sound hardware; and picking a motherboard with ALC1150 instead of similar priced mobos with lesser chips is a good idea if sound matters to you; What I'm kinda against is Soundcards instead of external DACs I believe that if people have higher quality headphones or speakers they should be getting an external DAC - Schiit makes excellent products starting from $99. I tend to regard mass market stuff from the likes of Asus somewhat dubiously - They've started putting out a couple of nice DACs but you can get far better stuff from real audio companies. That being said, take my Audio advice with a grain of sanity, I've spent more on my 2.1 system + DAC than probably any 3 or 4 of the typical people who post here have spent on their entire PCs put together; and whilst I try to keep my audiophilia in check, it sometimes creeps through. Edit: passionatebeaver posted:I'm getting a new system for relatively serious gaming and some light media editing etc. Price point is pretty flexible but lower is definitely better, and ~13-1350 is about the top end. I'm getting that specific monitor because I have another I got last year for my laptop and I'd rather have two of the same ones. Any suggestions on parts that are cheaper/would work better or anything that doesn't fit? Also looking for any feedback on the case selection, haven't really had to pick one myself before. Portability for the case would be a plus because I'm going to be moving frequently for the next few months. I was also wondering if it would be worth getting a sound card even if I'm not an audiophile and think that lovely $10 earbuds give good sound quality. At this point, with new generation z97 motherboards out, and the new, far more overclockable devil's canyon CPUs just around the corner; I would suggest anyone looking to buy a PC with overclocking should wait, unless you have an urgent need and can't wait two weeks. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 18:08 on May 13, 2014 |
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The Lord Bude posted:
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I was just about to get a new PC saw they released them, so I'm doing exactly that and wait for the i7 4790K to come out, or the i5 one.
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Didn't get any feedback for a low budget build and was in a hurry so I pulled the trigger based on info in this thread. I originally wanted to keep things under $400 without a HDD - I found this was doable but decided it was worth spending a couple hundred more for more recent stuff with a little more performance and quality that will hopefully give a longer service life. Here is what I ended up with for a lower budget, power efficient, general purpose desktop box: Case: Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case CC-9011047-WW PS: Seasonic 360W 80PLUS Gold ATX12V Power Supply SSR-360GP CPU: Intel Core i3-4330 Dual Core Processor 3.5 2 NA MB: ASUS H87I-PLUS LGA 1150 Intel H87 Mini ITX RAM: ADATA USA XPG V2 Series 8GB DDR3 1600 PC3 12800 (4GBx2) HD: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III This ended up coming in pretty close to $600 - all from amazon. I also added a SSD out of laziness so I could keep my existing system intact. This compares pretty closely to the penny-pincher stuff from the Dell outlet listed in the OP but I think the components may be slightly better/more flexible. Not too late to replace something if anyone sees an issue. It probably doesn't really matter for what I am doing.
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drat NIGGA posted:Changed the motherboard to one that doesn't have BSD causing LAN. Thanks for those changes. I wasn't sure if I'm going to be overclocking, but now I'm leaning toward not. I take it the 4570 in the OP would then still be the best choice? And yeah I have a couple 750gb-1tb HDDs floating around I was planning on using as secondary storage. @Bude- If I'm not overclocking, any noticeable benefit to waiting for Devil's Canyon? I knew there was something coming out soon but I'm not quite tech-savvy enough to know what those changes mean in practical terms.
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passionatebeaver posted:Thanks for those changes. I wasn't sure if I'm going to be overclocking, but now I'm leaning toward not. I take it the 4570 in the OP would then still be the best choice? And yeah I have a couple 750gb-1tb HDDs floating around I was planning on using as secondary storage. If you're not overclocking, there isn't much difference between the refresh and regular Haswell for an i5. But on the plus side, the i5-4590 should already be out and shouldn't be any more expensive.
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Yeah I was going to pull the trigger but with new processors on the way I can't think of a reason to not wait as either a: the refresh parts get cheaper or b: the new parts become more worthwhile.
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Can I handle a 770 on my 450W PSU? My current setup has a hand-me-down Radeon 6850. PCPartPicker indicates a 770 would come in at 378W. Plenty of breathing room, right?
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Should be fine, they use ~200 watts. But that's what they actually use, so it's often rated at 220w I believe
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Hace posted:Price cut incoming! The R9 280 (a 7950 in disguise) is now down to $249 MSRP: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8019/amd-cuts-radeon-r9-280-to-249 Good because the release price sucked rear end
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The Lord Bude posted:That's not my opinion at all. I thought the Xonar STX was there for Dolby goodness in games. Anywho I was thinking of getting the HE-400i when comes out. Assuming it isn't has power hungry as they say I will probably get a Schiit stack or O2+ODAC for it.
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So i've been riding this OC'd Q6600 rig since 2008, with only one upgrade in 2011 from a burned out BFG 8800GTS (lifetime warranty worthless when the company goes out of business) to an EVGA GTX 460ssc+ in 2011. It blows me away that i've been able to run every game that has come out, albeit with more and more stuff turned down as the years have gone by. I'm starting to look at upgrading my computer, with the goal of spending money in phases. -My budget is ~$300 for the system (CPU/ram/mb - i got a new case a month ago) and ~$150-200 for the video card. I will get one first then the other, ~4-6 months apart. I am getting a PSU outside this budget immediately, hoping to spend $40-75. -I'm a fairly hardcore gamer - I want my games running smoothly at high resolution (1920x1080, I run a simple dual monitor setup and enjoy just playing on one monitor and surfing web on the other) -Not serious on multimedia. I watch movies and tv shows on my computer. -While I have been a hardcore OC'er in the past, I am planning on just running a regular rig and not OC'ing. Have some questions for the experts here: 1) I have a choice of the i5-4430 for $69 or the i5-4570 for $109 (Staples PM and a coupon). Would putting the $40 I save towards a video card be better? Or should I go for the i5-4570? 2) Would I get more from buying the video card or the system first with my current setup? I don't know what's holding me back more, my cpu/ram or my video card, or maybe both are approximate? 3) My power supply can't make the move because it's on its last legs. The GTX460 has two PCI-E plugs, I don't know how much more power intensive a video card upgrade might be (I have no desire to SLI). What should I be targeting for a new PSU? is 500W too low for a single GPU gaming setup? Should I be shooting for Bronze+ or higher? I don't need modular - nice to have but not a dealbreaker. Thanks for the help... it's been forever since I upgraded my system, excited although this will be a lot different than last time (i'm not planning on sanding my CPU this time around!).
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drat NIGGA posted:The 4570 is 200 mhz faster, if thats worth it to you. But for that price I'd go with the 4570, you're still getting it for $80-90 cheaper. Or you if it matters to you , you could wait and get the Haswell refresh. I would disagree with the 4GB R9 270X here, that class of card just isn't fast enough to make use of the extra VRAM, the other parts of the card would be the bottleneck in performance well before VRAM is. For 40 dollars more its an especially bad deal, a GTX 760 or R9 280 in the ~250 dollar price range is much better value. At 200 dollars the R9 270X 2GB cards are the clear price/performance leader.
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The fact remains, someone will always say they prefer NVIDIA even at the same price/lower performance because of drivers (even though NVIDIA has had massive, well known driver issues recently, to a higher degree than AMD, although AMD's GODAWFUL frame time variance in CF has been a monumental fuckup), or Greenlight (this one I can actually sympathise with - some AMD card vendors have been known to put shoddy memory on the boards that caused problems). Oh, I also forgot to add the other major complaint against AMD cards: the poo poo 290/290X reference coolers. Yes, valid. They're poo poo. NVIDIA's reference cooler at that end of the market is better. But now you can get 290s with non-reference coolers, that point becomes a bit flaky too. NVIDIA also always seem to ship their cards with less RAM than is necessary to make the card seem outdated sooner, which they need to stop doing. vv Oh, yeah, there's no huge difference between both card vendors, but some always prefer one or the other. Obviously I have nothing against NVIDIA whatsoever. Actually, one of the most expensive cards I bought was a 7800GT.. AGP.. 512MB. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 16:02 on May 14, 2014 |
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HalloKitty posted:The fact remains, someone will always say they prefer NVIDIA even at the same price/lower performance because of drivers (even though NVIDIA has had massive, well known driver issues recently, to a higher degree than AMD, although AMD's GODAWFUL frame time variance in CF has been a monumental fuckup), or Greenlight (this one I can actually sympathise with - some AMD card vendors have been known to put shoddy memory on the boards that caused problems). Yeah I agree. And mostly prefer nvidia but I'm always SLI'ing everything, and that's something that can change quickly. And I don't mean to imply nvidia is a waste of money, it's just AMD is competitive now with slight advantages towards them. At the moment. Just coming out of that mining phase where you'd have to be a serious fan to actually buy a card this seems strange, but welcome. I do wish nvidia would get with the memory bandwagon (moreso bus speed for me + ram) but that's a major change that I could only expect for 8 series cards. And I would expect it just due to dropping monitor costs at greater than 1080p. For the time being all I can imagine them doing is lower the prices a little if they care to "beat" AMD until the next release. Not sure that will happen though, diminishing the value of the next generation by price cutting the current is never a good thing for a company once you cross some line
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The Fractal Design R4 is on sale for $80 w/free shipping at Newegg right now. I want to get it so bad. But then I remember the only practical improvement over my Antec Three Hundred Two are 2 additional front panel USB ports. 
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Josh Lyman posted:The Fractal Design R4 is on sale for $80 w/free shipping at Newegg right now. I want to get it so bad. whoa get ready I will get something to replace my three hundred two eventually, but only when that $80 or $100 isn't better spent on something else for it. Which will be a while. That said, I like how that case looks. But when I see the inside it's like, oh it's like mine but black. (and can support 2x wide radiators) I'm about to go pretty ghetto and cut a wider hole in the top of my antec and put a metal grate in it so I too can have a big radiator
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May 14, 2014 17:00
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Ignoarints posted:whoa get ready The R4 came out over a year after the Three Hundred Two, so you'd expect it to be more refined. Rumor is that an R5 is coming out soon, maybe with a slightly longer case since the R4 can't really accommodate R9 video cards unless you remove the upper drive cage. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 17:11 on May 14, 2014 |
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...Hi again. I keep turning up. Long explanation for a short set of questions. About a year ago, based on advice and information from the previous thread, I bought a I5-3570K processor via Amazon and a nice fresh motherboard(ASUS P8H61-MX R2.0)from PC World to go with it(As my dear aging computer I'm using right this minute couldn't fit the old motherboard). 8GB of RAM, too, to go with it. Was intending a Windows upgrade afterward. Problem: the new motherboard couldn't take my old hard drive or CD/DVD drive, either. So in the end I never did do that upgrade, and I put everything as it was-at some cost in terms of repairs(Don't ask). Still have the parts. So it's a year on, XP support has stopped(The NHS is in quite a mess because of it if you believe Private Eye). 8.1 is required, as is a proper system change. And this time it must succeed. I have two thoughts, both possibly stupid. 1.Continue buying/scavenging parts to build a PC(Given I have an Nvidia GTX 660 as video card and a power supply around 550-650W). Somehow get hold of 8.1 also. Deal with getting all the wires and things needed, deal with getting 8.1 on an empty drive(Never messed with that sort of thing). 2.Buy a relatively cheap PC with 8 or 8.1, and switch in/upgrade as needed. Potentially this might waste the money previously spent, but at least I'd have a working baseline and Windows 8.X. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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HalloKitty posted:The fact remains, someone will always say they prefer NVIDIA even at the same price/lower performance because of drivers (even though NVIDIA has had massive, well known driver issues recently, to a higher degree than AMD, although AMD's GODAWFUL frame time variance in CF has been a monumental fuckup), or Greenlight (this one I can actually sympathise with - some AMD card vendors have been known to put shoddy memory on the boards that caused problems). Dont discount manufacturers either. Some people are incredibly loyal to EVGA. If EVGA went amd they would also go amd.
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