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Anyone heard anything about Demon Gaze? It's a vita dungeon crawler that came out last month. Looks kinda ghetto and has a lot of horrible anime fu, but it also looks like a pretty solid Wizardry type and the way they handle demons actually sounds interesting.
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It has a lot of anime fu, yes, but your reward is the fastest and most fun Wizardry-like I think I've ever played. The relic system allows you to customize your characters somewhat rather than just lock them into one or two classes, each of the classes feels useful and has a fair number of options to fall back to rather than just attacking forever, and the game never really feels like a drag because you can just hold down a button and the autobattle flies by without a pause. The responsiveness is really what sells it for me, there's much less 'oh god come on' compared to others. vvvv welp guess I hadn't made it that far Stelas fucked around with this message at 12:44 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 12:38
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f (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) lol game's rated T, thanks Kewpuh you fat gently caress Blast of Confetti fucked around with this message at 23:41 on May 14, 2014 |
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Blast of Confetti posted:f Somebody fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 12:48
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A bit of warning would've been nice there.
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May 14, 2014 13:01
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Apparently you're also a oval office who posts untagged child porn! Hooray.
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May 14, 2014 13:06
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Wendell posted:Apparently you're also a oval office who posts untagged child porn! Hooray.  but the one where it gets really big and takes up the whole page
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May 14, 2014 13:09
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Coughing Hobo posted:E&L owns megabones and all of the characters are pretty rad. It's way more structured than any other Atelier, giving you a task every three months with a bunch of optional stuff as well. It makes it a lot easier to jump into, and also keeps you from feeling like you're unsure if you wasted a bunch of time not making progress.
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May 14, 2014 16:06
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Rascyc posted:Someone really blasted the localization of E&L in another thread, I think it was the Vita thread, that really turned me off this game. I'd still like to play it eventually to some extent though. It is kinda bad. Most obviously they seem to have mostly reversed item strength abbreviations from previous games, so suddenly (S) is stronger than (L) rather than weaker (IIRC). There are also some obvious typos. It's not like it's an unplayable mess, though.
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May 14, 2014 16:16
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Man, I had forgotten how much of a glorified visual novel Xenogears is, I mean, I know the second disc is notorious but the first disc is almost as bad for having half and hour of cutscenes -> boss battle you have to lose -> another half hour of cutscenes. Speaking of, it must hold the world record for un-winnable/scripted boss battles. It still owns though.
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May 14, 2014 16:19
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Sakurazuka posted:Speaking of, it must hold the world record for un-winnable/scripted boss battles. Nah, that honor goes to Suikoden Tierkreis. I think two out of every three non-mook fights in that game were unwinnable.
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Phantasium posted:Nah, that honor goes to Suikoden Tierkreis. For real? That sounds beyond retarded.
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May 14, 2014 16:42
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Baten Kaitos: Origins was also pretty bad with winnable/unwinnable boss fights. By that, I mean it loved fights you had to win, but then you'd lose in the cutscene afterwards anyway 
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May 14, 2014 16:48
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Lotish posted:For real? That sounds beyond retarded. Nah, he has it backwards. Tierkreis has like 2 or 3 unwinnable fights period. One of which you're told well in advance is unwinnable.
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Dragonatrix posted:Nah, he has it backwards. Tierkreis has like 2 or 3 unwinnable fights period. One of which you're told well in advance is unwinnable. Do they all happen in a row or something? EDIT: Like, I'm looking up reviews and stuff on Google and there's a ton of people complaining about that aspect of the game (in addition to all the other stuff people hate about Tierkreis, of course). Phantasium fucked around with this message at 17:15 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 16:58
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"Escha & Logy" has to be the laziest game title pun I've ever seen.
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Cake Attack posted:I don't get it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology Anyway, the localization isn't Wild Arms 2 unplayably bad or anything. It's a serviceable if bland translation with a few dumb moments. It's still lightyears ahead of most PS1 translations, and a good chunk of PS2 ones as well.
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Cake Attack posted:I don't get it? "and" in Japanese is "to" - Eschatology
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Phantasium posted:Do they all happen in a row or something? Not really. There's one right at the start, a second about half an hour later or so and one right near the end. And maybe one somewhere in the middle, but that one's more likely be a "continues regardless of whether you win or not" deal.
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Rascyc posted:Someone really blasted the localization of E&L in another thread, I think it was the Vita thread, that really turned me off this game. I'd still like to play it eventually to some extent though. Gonna lay down some nonspecific ~smack-talk~ and say that I'm not terribly surprised the loc work is a bit lackluster (though I of course have no idea what kind of deadlines or conditions TK or Gust imposed on the people who did it, either). It's one of the reasons I've hesitated playing the English version myself (it helps that my current game backlog is epic) though I really should try it out. It's too bad - if we weren't tied up with other things, and could figure out how to even properly get in touch with TK America (no, seriously, they are unbelievably difficult to get a hold of), Atelier is one of those things I've been wanting to get involved with as part of CF's "third-party" business for a while now. The Dusk series is something I'd really have loved to take a stab at - when I was playing Ayesha, I was a bit distracted because I was constantly rewriting the dialogue in my head, figuring out how I'd do it. 
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Endorph posted:Anyway, the localization isn't Wild Arms 2 unplayably bad or anything. It's a serviceable if bland translation with a few dumb moments. It's still lightyears ahead of most PS1 translations, and a good chunk of PS2 ones as well. I love the moments where it's obvious they didn't separate their translation notes from the script. And all of the scenes with Liz and Ard. "Colette...I want to protect you from all hardship and pain. It's because you are the most important woman (person) to me."
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After looking at some of Ghostlight's in-house stuff, any other translation seems fine in comparison. Also Wild Arms 2's translation was god-like.
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Dragonatrix posted:Nah, he has it backwards. Tierkreis has like 2 or 3 unwinnable fights period. One of which you're told well in advance is unwinnable. Yeah I don't remember it being too bad either. You couldn't beat the archivists once iirc, and you definitely couldn't win against Vaslof at first, but either way that means there were two or three too many unwinnable fights in the game. U-DO Burger posted:And all of the scenes with Liz and Ard. Liz and Ard were unintentionally the best. Gentlemen don't like violence but love the violence of words. Prepare for word torture! I'm full of dangerous phrases that should be censored!
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So I got bored at work and used this guide to count the number of unwinnable battles because I remembered a lot more and while my memory is poo poo I didn't think it's that far off (though my original statement was certainly hyperbole). Granted the wording on some of these isn't particularly clear from that FAQ, but I generally left those off. Bosses where you have to survive for (generally 3) a few rounds = 8 Boss where you have to die/kill yourself = Maybe one? Boss where you can beat them but win after a few rounds, anyway = 2 (Although it's the same boss, just you go into two separate fights) Bosses where you get into two fights with them one after the other but the first fight is unwinnable = 2 Are you guys just not counting the survival ones? It's bad in any case (though still not as many as I remember).
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Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge?
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? Romancing SaGa did that, it was a pretty OK idea. I like the idea too - the only downside is that once you trigger it, you can't un-trigger it if it's too hard for you, unlike optional bosses you can just walk away from.
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? Because you could trip the conditions and then be left with a final boss fight you can't win. Unless the conditions are such that by meeting them, you'll be ready to fight the super version. Otherwise, it's a bad idea.
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Cake Attack posted:Because you could trip the conditions and then be left with a final boss fight you can't win. Unless the conditions are such that by meeting them, you'll be ready to fight the super version. Otherwise, it's a bad idea. If you make one of the conditions "have beaten the final boss and saved after the end cutscene" it'd be fine.
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? Limiter off Indalecio/Gabriel from SO2 is such a fun fight. Also so needlessly convoluted to trigger that only those replaying the game and/or nutjobs would even have a chance of actually attempting it.
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Barudak posted:If you make one of the conditions "have beaten the final boss and saved after the end cutscene" it'd be fine. Dragon Quest VIII sort of did this. There was an entire area with upgraded enemies culminating in a boss fight that got progressively harder each time you beat him. Beating the sidequest allowed you to tackle the final boss, though not upgraded and get the "true" ending. I wish more games did stuff like that.
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Cake Attack posted:Because you could trip the conditions and then be left with a final boss fight you can't win. Unless the conditions are such that by meeting them, you'll be ready to fight the super version. Otherwise, it's a bad idea. I seem to remember Star Ocean 2 made it talking to a recurring but missable NPC in one of the cities towards the end of the game. I'm pretty sure you had to explicitly confirm that you wanted to take the limiter off the boss, but there was still a long trip to the boss to see if it was something you could actually handle. If you weren't thinking and saved over your old file, you could be pretty well boned.
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? Atelier Escha and Logy does this. Even if you do fulfill the conditions there's a prompt before the fight in case you don't want to fight the more difficult version. Beating the upgraded boss unlocks the true ending.
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Arctic Cress posted:Atelier Escha and Logy does this. Even if you do fulfill the conditions there's a prompt before the fight in case you don't want to fight the more difficult version. Beating the upgraded boss unlocks the true ending. I knew about that one(and have failed miserably trying to beat the super version with my level 55+ party) which is part of why I asked my question in the first place. Also, I just think have the final boss be the game's biggest challenge is a lot more interesting than it being some random monster/person roaming the world or some random dungeon. Beyond the ones already mentioned, the only other games I can think of off the top of my head that has a hidden super form of the final boss would be Graces f and Last Remnant. Does anyone know of some others, just out of curiosity? Lotish posted:I seem to remember Star Ocean 2 made it talking to a recurring but missable NPC in one of the cities towards the end of the game. I'm pretty sure you had to explicitly confirm that you wanted to take the limiter off the boss, but there was still a long trip to the boss to see if it was something you could actually handle. If you weren't thinking and saved over your old file, you could be pretty well boned. Well, for that you had to do a PA in a town that gets destroyed as part of the plot incredibly early, so you have to know about it going into it.
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Y'know, the more I read about Escha and Logy the more interested in it I actually am. Not sure if it's worth bothering with still though. Only Atelier game I've played before was the one on the DS and that was a pretty plotless thing (beyond the whole "make [thing] within X months) where the RPG stuff felt kinda tacked on in spite of that. Not a game I disliked or anything, but not one I particularly liked all that much either.
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Forest Thief Pud posted:I knew about that one(and have failed miserably trying to beat the super version with my level 55+ party) which is part of why I asked my question in the first place. It's not really an RPG (maybe kinda sorta?) but Iji does this too. To that game's credit, it in effect hangs a neon sign over the player saying IF YOU DO THIS CERTAIN THING YOU WILL MAKE THE FINAL BOSS A MILLION TIMES HARDER SO IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT THEN DON'T DO THIS CERTAIN THING NOW so if you find yourself in a helpless position then well, you only have yourself to blame 
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? Last Remnant does that. It has a bunch of bonus bosses that are tougher versions of story bosses, and in the main story, the final boss gets 8 different versions depending on how many quests you complete.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Last Remnant does that. It has a bunch of bonus bosses that are tougher versions of story bosses, and in the main story, the final boss gets 8 different versions depending on how many quests you complete. # of quests finished doesn't effect it actually, except for 100% which gives you Level 8 by default. The in between levels are based on other random things and are confusing and not well documented. IIRC you can actually change which super attacks he has depending on which quests you do/fail as well.
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SpaceDrake posted:Gonna lay down some nonspecific ~smack-talk~ and say that I'm not terribly surprised the loc work is a bit lackluster (though I of course have no idea what kind of deadlines or conditions TK or Gust imposed on the people who did it, either). It's one of the reasons I've hesitated playing the English version myself (it helps that my current game backlog is epic) though I really should try it out. I'm not in the localization business, and I do the same thing. You should hire me. I'm your coil tank, I think I deserve the handout. E&L's translation is murky, but far from terrible. The dialog's fine, and I like how the characters interact with each other. Wild ARMs 2's translation, however, is borderline incomprehensible a lot of the time, and actually incomprehensible the rest of the time.
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Forest Thief Pud posted:Here's something I've been wondering for a while, but why don't more RPGs give the final boss an unlockable super version that acts as one of the game's biggest challenge? If you complete the massive optional side-dungeon in SMT: Nocturne, you get an additional final boss after the usual one.
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