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baka kaba posted:If you want a more cynical take, customer redefines the relationship, so instead of being about a public servant fulfilling an obligation to members of society, suddenly it's more of a business contract that both sides are entering into voluntarily. That way it's much easier to talk about 'savings' through shirking your commitments, or to frame people as unwilling to hold up their part of 'the deal'. Some customers just come in to browse, you know? (As opposed to a 'client' which implies an actual established working relationship, and some responsibility to provide what they need.) True, and I don't think it is necessarily cynical. It used to be a job search contract (with the inherent implication of agreement by both parties) no its a Job Search Declaration, with Commitments therein (used to be actions, and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to most advisors either. You could copy out Mr Men books into the boxes, unless you have pissed them off). All very much more PROACTIVE* and emotional language, so aside from being patronised you get guilted too *I hate this word, as it is a non word. You are active or not.
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I don't trust the DWP keeping tabs on me so I've refused consent for them to see my UJM profile and take print outs. Fucks them off no end. I know I'm flagged as a poo poo customer because there's visible discomfort whenever one is assigned to deal with me. Thankfully this has saved my rear end on two occasions, one where my account on UJM was deleted without warning and another time when my entire application history got deleted. gently caress them. I've only encountered one genuinely nice person, who happens to be my personal advisor, as she actually gives a gently caress and refers me to genuinely useful things.
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Trickjaw posted:All very much more PROACTIVE* and emotional language, so aside from being patronised you get guilted too That's sort of the same thing to me - call it PROACTIVE, and they've done their part. They've encouraged you to do more and meet targets! If that's not what happens then it's all your fault, you must be slacking/resisting/failing somehow, against the proactivity Any mention of Mr Men immediately makes me think of these though http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1SM813W6H36YA quote:If '1984' or 'The Trial' had been a children's book, Mr Messy would be it. No literary character has ever been so fully and categorically obliterated by the forces of social control. Hargreaves may well pay homage to Kafka and Orwell in this work, but he also goes beyond them.
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May 14, 2014 23:52
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Renaissance Robot posted:Please tell me you're joking.
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baka kaba posted:That's sort of the same thing to me - call it PROACTIVE, and they've done their part. They've encouraged you to do more and meet targets! If that's not what happens then it's all your fault, you must be slacking/resisting/failing somehow, against the proactivity Well, thats certainly some fine reading right there, mate
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May 15, 2014 00:03
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I've done a potentially stupid thing and made an anti-UKIP leaflet for distributing in my local area. The language is a little bit dumbed down for general consumption, but not that much! I tried not to go all-out full communism, around my Tory-ridden area that'd be pointless. Feel free to mock my naivete, it's going off to the printers tomorrow and I'll be out delivering next Tuesday, just in time for a few hundred locals to put them straight in their bins 
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Would there be many potential UKIP supporters who would believe what that leaflet (from someone they don't know anything about) claims, let alone care? Most of them seem to be either Farage worshippers, Randians or racists using the party as a smokescreen to cover up how racist they are, and neither will be swayed by knowing about how racist and selfish UKIP is (if they don't know already). I'm sorry if I'm seeming like I'm trashing your idea, more awareness is always good, but I just don't think it'd achieve much.
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mrpwase posted:I've done a potentially stupid thing and made an anti-UKIP leaflet for distributing in my local area. The language is a little bit dumbed down for general consumption, but not that much! I tried not to go all-out full communism, around my Tory-ridden area that'd be pointless. I wouldn't mock at all, its very good. BUt its faaaar too many words. I don't want you to waste your money, so how about forwarding a template of it to you worst local option? e: Your the guy in Chelmsford, no? if so, and you go ahead, I'll help you hand out Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 00:28 on May 15, 2014 |
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I'm counting on probably five people actually reading it properly and being swayed by it, but it's still better than sitting on my arse and doing nothing. The people who are going to vote UKIP anyway, I don't really care about them - but people who are tempted (and I talk to a lot at work and in town) might be convinced once they're shown a bit more about how UKIP actually functions. So yeah, it'll be a waste of money, but that'd prob. just go on videogames so who cares right  Trickjaw I'm not in Chelmsford, cheers for the offer though!
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Trickjaw posted:I wouldn't mock at all, its very good. BUt its faaaar too many words. I don't want you to waste your money, so how about forwarding a template of it to you worst local option? There's a bunch of UKIP signs in fields all the way to Chelmo from Ipswich. gently caress farmers. The lot of them. I guess they got pissed off with all the europeans stealing their hereditary estates and pheasants. loving farmers - never have I seen a more callous, self serving bunch of douchenozzles.
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haakman posted:never have I seen a more callous, self serving bunch of douchenozzles. I can think of a few!
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haakman posted:There's a bunch of UKIP signs in fields all the way to Chelmo from Ipswich. gently caress farmers. The lot of them. I guess they got pissed off with all the europeans stealing their hereditary estates and pheasants. loving farmers - never have I seen a more callous, self serving bunch of douchenozzles. Is Ben Gummer your mp? The arrogant poo poo aparently got mad at the local council for refusing to use work fare, and on twitter BoycottWorkfare called him on it, asking if he would work for free for six months, and he responded with three letters 'JSA'. They then said great, and when could he start, as that would save £30k. He then promptly hosed off, and I'm guessing given the general area he's a friend of farmers too.
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quote:the reason that the average person doesn’t see this bonus in their everyday life is because it is pocketed by large companies and the government. quote:so why are some of us still in poverty, and why are there not enough jobs to go round? Apart from that yeah it's really long and people aren't going to read it, although I understand that you want to address as many things as possible. I'd take out the last paragraph on immigration (UKIP are anti-immigration), last three paragraphs in other (environment, cost of living and racism), it doesn't feel like they add a lot but they do make the thing much longer. Then condense the stuff on Farage into one paragraph and move the stuff on jobs up to where you talk about employment.
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May 15, 2014 01:01
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Trickjaw posted:Is Ben Gummer your mp? The arrogant poo poo aparently got mad at the local council for refusing to use work fare, and on twitter BoycottWorkfare called him on it, asking if he would work for free for six months, and he responded with three letters 'JSA'. They then said great, and when could he start, as that would save £30k. He then promptly hosed off, and I'm guessing given the general area he's a friend of farmers too. Daniel Poulter. Gummer is a no chinned tory boy arse but Poulter? The man is a doctor ffs and he's helping to gut the nhs and actively reduce the quality of life for low income people. I don't understand how you can be a doctor - hippocratic oath and all - and be a tory as well. Talk about a paradox.
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haakman posted:Daniel Poulter. Gummer is a no chinned tory boy arse but Poulter? The man is a doctor ffs and he's helping to gut the nhs and actively reduce the quality of life for low income people. I don't understand how you can be a doctor - hippocratic oath and all - and be a tory as well. Talk about a paradox. Tory>Doctor, I guess. At least Ben Gummer can blame those cjd burgers his Dad made him eat. Just watched PMQs and (my own MP, the Hon Simon burs, frog faced bastard that he is) and Rees-Mogg, and so many more make it increasing look like a fairground shooting galley that I would never tire of.
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Rees-mogg has to be a piss take. HAS to be. I reckon he's a fully fledged communist just taking the piss. Cue one day him pulling his mask off scooby doo style to reveal a fantastically bushy coal stained marx beard.
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Trickjaw posted:At least Ben Gummer can blame those cjd burgers his Dad made him eat.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I was going to make that crack but it turns out it was his daughter who was made to eat the diseased burger to help Daddy's career, not his son. Facts have no place in politics. It was close enough:) And yes, Rees-Mogg, whose father was also batshit, was as a child a regular attendant at AGMs for companies he was investing in, and read the FT religously. There is not one hint of him having correct thought whatsoever, he has even referred (on HIGNFY, but I don't think it was a joke) as his constituency as his estate. Not the council kind, either. e: Also, something else to hate: The Torygraph has sacked Clive James, who happens to be pegging it due to Leukemia, for not providing value for money. Well, he can always go on ESA! Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 01:42 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 01:38
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haakman posted:Daniel Poulter. Gummer is a no chinned tory boy arse but Poulter? The man is a doctor ffs and he's helping to gut the nhs and actively reduce the quality of life for low income people. I don't understand how you can be a doctor - hippocratic oath and all - and be a tory as well. Talk about a paradox. Hippocratic oath is optional, at least in the UK. Doctors are required to act within medical ethics anyway or they face malpractice penalties, but it's a slightly different code than the Hippocratic oath sets out. Arguably, anything that won't be considered medical malpractice isn't out of bounds for doctors.
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haakman posted:Daniel Poulter. Gummer is a no chinned tory boy arse but Poulter? The man is a doctor ffs and he's helping to gut the nhs and actively reduce the quality of life for low income people. I don't understand how you can be a doctor - hippocratic oath and all - and be a tory as well. Talk about a paradox. Some doctors are terrible people. Remember Bevan had to fight them to agree to the NHS in the first place, being a doctor doesn't necessarily mean they care about the health service or people.
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Spooky Hyena posted:Would there be many potential UKIP supporters who would believe what that leaflet (from someone they don't know anything about) claims, let alone care? Most of them seem to be either Farage worshippers, Randians or racists using the party as a smokescreen to cover up how racist they are, and neither will be swayed by knowing about how racist and selfish UKIP is (if they don't know already). I'm sorry if I'm seeming like I'm trashing your idea, more awareness is always good, but I just don't think it'd achieve much. Let's just quote the start: quote:- There are legitimate concerns about the impact of immigration on the country, but the immigrants themselves and the process by which they gain entrance to the country are not the problem. To summarise: UKIP's concerns about the number of immigrants are valid. UKIP's concerns about health care tourism and immigrants occupying houses and jobs needed for British people are valid. UKIP's concerns about over-large government are valid. But it's not the fault of immigrants because You are not going to convince anyone not to vote UKIP by putting a letter through their door which starts by saying the swivel-eyed loons are right and not providing any counter-argument. Do not post this flyer.
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Pilchenstein posted:Well I certainly wasn't advocating telling your advisor "if this is how you treat your customers I shall write a sternly worded letter!". Yes, I was joking. I hate that I can't tell any more 
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There must be something in the water regarding rebranding people you're dealing with. Back when I worked for the Work Programme it was always 'clients'. But now I work for a debt collection agency, and we're getting new guidelines to call the debtors 'clients'. Which is confusing when we're working as a 3rd party and have an actual dictionary-definition client as well. I think it is, unironically, political correctness gone mad. As though changing the word makes someone happier about being told they owe money.
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Jedit posted:Let's just quote the start: I don't see how can say I don't provide a counter-argument. I do point out that immigrants contribute more than they receive, and that the problems, where they exist, are due to wealth being hoarded. You make a good point in that I'm mentioning UKIP's views, but in deepest darkest Gloucestershire I'm not going to get anywhere by saying 'you're all racist fuckers, listen to me, I am Correct'. e: big scary monsters, duly noted, I'll change that. I originally changed the bit about 'large companies and the government' to 'big business', and then at some point I must have edited the wrong file and reverted it to the former, so that's me messing up. mrpwase fucked around with this message at 10:47 on May 15, 2014 |
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haakman posted:There's a bunch of UKIP signs in fields all the way to Chelmo from Ipswich. gently caress farmers. The lot of them. I guess they got pissed off with all the europeans stealing their hereditary estates and pheasants. loving farmers - never have I seen a more callous, self serving bunch of douchenozzles. lol I'm sure the farmers will be real pleased when we leave the EU and they stop getting ~£3.3billion a year in Common Agriculture Policy payments. idiots
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Had a cheap, photocopied leaflet from the TUSC last night and had a read of their policies. Any thoughts? I was leaning towards the Greens (despite their stance on Nuclear) but these intrigue me. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:lol I'm sure the farmers will be real pleased when we leave the EU and they stop getting ~£3.3billion a year in Common Agriculture Policy payments. But we'll save £54M a daaaay! Biggus Dickus fucked around with this message at 11:28 on May 15, 2014 |
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Biggus Dickus posted:But we'll save £54M a daaaay! 3.3 Billion a year is only £9M a day. I mean don't get me wrong, Farmers will be relying on the UK Goverment to pass some of the savings of EU Membership onto the Farmers to make up for the shortfall and relying on the Conservatives to give you money is never a winning strategy, but their math does work out if the numbers are right (They're not). Farmers have a few good arguments for being better off outside the EU, they ain't being completely stupid on this one, except they're relying on whoever takes us out of the EU to continue subsidizing Farming and good luck with that. The EU used to be super good to Farmers, recently not so much and it's not surprising they're getting shifty about it. I think the best argument for not leaving the EU (Harsh Tarrifs as a parting 'gently caress you' aside) is that'll mean Farming is regulated by the UK Government and they've never been particularly good at doing that sensibly to anything. We'd just end up back at the EU level of regulations if we're lucky, or more likely completely hosed over by a wave of completely stupid "Bright Ideas" meant to help that just end up hurting. Fans fucked around with this message at 12:04 on May 15, 2014 |
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Extradition of criminals is utterly unacceptable when the criminals happen to be upper-middle class English people: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10832695/Paramedics-called-to-home-of-extradition-couple-who-made-suicide-pact.html The Telegraph's reported on this case a few times now. It always gives the couple's side of the story uncritically, completely fails to investigate the case against them and does it's best to overlook the fact that they've already had a judgment against them in a civil court in the USA.
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Christ almighty Beeb. Britain First on the Daily Politics now and Farage on This Week tonight. Talk about the oxygen of exposure.
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My perception of farmers has shifted heavily, I too see a lot of the ukip/countryside alliance (even now, it's tempting to drop the "o") banners, but the farmers I know don't have that- I don't know their political alliances, but they are far too loving busy trying to keep things going to bother with some loving sign. As I was getting some paperwork signed by one, I was specifically asked if I had anything to do with the countryside alliance, and got a grin and a "good" when I said no.
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Well I was wrong. This is showing Paul Golding of Britain First to be a comlete and utter thick wanker, as you might expect. e: lol, picture of him at the Cenotaph on Rememberance Sunday with underpants on his head. Tosser. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 12:41 on May 15, 2014 |
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Heard UKIP voters on a bus; they 'don't want to get rid of all the blacks' so aren't voting BNP as they are 'too racist' but they feel that buses should only be for British people and that immigrants are stealing their jobs. I guess UKIP are just the right amount of racist.
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Trickjaw posted:Well I was wrong. This is showing Paul Golding of Britain First to be a comlete and utter thick wanker, as you might expect. So who else is the 'balanced' BBC going to have on to balance this one out? I'm not sure I've seen anyone to the left of, say Owen Jones, show up on one of these programmes. Are there any 'far left' parties likely to be labelled as extremists by the average Joe, or are they all too irrelevant to be thought of as such? Answers Me fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 15, 2014 |
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Fans posted:3.3 Billion a year is only £9M a day. I know, but the argument is that leaving Europe will save us £54M/day. It's these hard-of-thinking types that UKIP are courting I think.
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Geokinesis posted:Heard UKIP voters on a bus; they 'don't want to get rid of all the blacks' so aren't voting BNP as they are 'too racist' but they feel that buses should only be for British people and that immigrants are stealing their jobs.  And in what fine town was this bus travelling?
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Geokinesis posted:Heard UKIP voters on a bus; they 'don't want to get rid of all the blacks' so aren't voting BNP as they are 'too racist' but they feel that buses should only be for British people and that immigrants are stealing their jobs. Perhaps they would be willing to allow immigrants to sit on the bus, as long as they stayed in the specially marked seats at the back. Just so that nobody would think they aren't open to reasonable compromise.
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Undead Hippo posted:Perhaps they would be willing to allow immigrants to sit on the bus, as long as they stayed in the specially marked seats at the back. Just so that nobody would think they aren't open to reasonable compromise. I don't understand the fuss, when I was at school the back of the bus was "the place to be", typical blacks making a fuss out of getting the good stuff 
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SybilVimes posted:I don't understand the fuss, when I was at school the back of the bus was "the place to be", typical blacks making a fuss out of getting the good stuff The 'Proper British' people round here would be hosed anyway. Most of the drivers are foreign. I find the worst problem on buses isn't down to a nationality, its those old bastards with passes who use the bus to go from one stop to another 20m away, and are more noisy and irritating than the kids most of the time.
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Umiapik posted:Extradition of criminals is utterly unacceptable when the criminals happen to be upper-middle class English people: Sounds like this should never have been a criminal case and highlights how badly someone can manipulate US law if they have enough money. Which source are you using which shows damning evidence against them and that money laundering should even be brought up? Also, what does class have to do with this story? It sounds to me like they were self made and not capable of sticking their paws into daddy's money to fight this, quite unlike the privilege being displayed by the plaintiff.
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