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Pyromancer posted:I used those in Vergen mines in dark mode, can't see poo poo in there with dark sword effects without cat potion. The dark swords suck more than anything. The first time I pulled out a dark sword, I immediately unequipped and sold it. Kimmalah posted:I used it for that one bit where you follow the bloodstains to find Cedric. Except it's so frustrating because the whole forest is full of bloodstains! Lycus fucked around with this message at 09:01 on May 15, 2014 |
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The dark sword effects are really cool the first time you use them then annoying for the next 40+ hours of gameplay. I think it would have worked a lot better if the graphical and audio effects only kicked in when your adrenaline bar was full or something.
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May 15, 2014 12:12
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:yep Aw jeah. That was such a great trailer.
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May 15, 2014 12:32
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Mickey McKey posted:Supposedly they want to have more of the basic Witcher-ing to do. If they have the dynamic hunter-stalks-prey and certain creatures have certain habitats, they need a big world. I thought Skyrim was ridiculous with how much content there was in both a good and bad way. Good because some of it is really really neat; like a cave you go into that has poachers... they have lines they say to each other and there is poacher paraphernalia (including a mammoth carcass) laying around. The bad is that the good ones are few and far between which means a lot of caves and ruins are the exact same tileset without much variation with the same Draugr or bandit enemies. I say this because I get the feeling that what CDPR is trying to do will have much more variety and require more thought/observation/skill to do encounters. Also there will probably be a decent bit of "well poo poo I walked right past here and never saw this path or that moss which means this monster lives here" which will mean you will need to do more searching around/exploring/whatever. I think I have now rambled quite a bit but what I am trying to say is I have a feeling they know what they are doing and I doubt that there will be that much useless huge tracts of land. I thought Skyrim got an unfair amount of grief for its dungeons - they're composed of a limited number of tile sets, sure, but they're all excellent tilesets and every dungeon has something unique about it and they all had distinctive qualities. I remember a neat ice one where little firefly spirits started following me round for no apparent reason.
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May 15, 2014 12:39
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sebmojo posted:I thought Skyrim got an unfair amount of grief for its dungeons - they're composed of a limited number of tile sets, sure, but they're all excellent tilesets and every dungeon has something unique about it and they all had distinctive qualities. I liked Skyrim dungeons, but I've also liked swamp area in W1. It might be because in my whole life I've played only 2 MMORPGs, both times for a couple of months, therefore I've never developed deep hatred for "collect 15 bear assholes" missions.
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May 15, 2014 12:41
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sebmojo posted:I thought Skyrim got an unfair amount of grief for its dungeons - they're composed of a limited number of tile sets, sure, but they're all excellent tilesets and every dungeon has something unique about it and they all had distinctive qualities. I liked Skyrim's dungeons overall, but they were generally a bit too linear and samey. It was impossible to get lost in them, and they all had that "fight the boss and then suddenly an exit appears out of nowhere" dynamic. It's too predictable and formulaic, though they obviously did the best they could considering the size of that game.
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May 15, 2014 12:45
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You gotta have space to track things if you're gonna be Witcherin'. I hope there's some long pursuit battles where partway through the fight the monster realizes it's completely outmatched and you have to gradually run it down on your horse over several encounters in a nice turn around on pursuit predation. That would feel pretty badass.
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May 15, 2014 12:51
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Hakkesshu posted:I liked Skyrim's dungeons overall, but they were generally a bit too linear and samey. It was impossible to get lost in them, and they all had that "fight the boss and then suddenly an exit appears out of nowhere" dynamic. It's too predictable and formulaic, though they obviously did the best they could considering the size of that game. I've liked how it streamlines gameplay. Getting lost in some horrible dungeon and having do scavenge and plan ahead is fun, but not in 100+ hours game.
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May 15, 2014 13:48
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Hakkesshu posted:I liked Skyrim's dungeons overall, but they were generally a bit too linear and samey. It was impossible to get lost in them, and they all had that "fight the boss and then suddenly an exit appears out of nowhere" dynamic. It's too predictable and formulaic, though they obviously did the best they could considering the size of that game. Honestly, I don't mind that at all. That lets you have enormous dungeons without having to backtrack too severely. Particularly in dungeons where you cross multiple zones.
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May 15, 2014 13:50
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It just seemed like a weird solution to a problem that has a much simpler, more logical one: Just give the player a spell to teleport to the outside entrance. Not that I object to it in concept, but having it in every dungeon made no sense.
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May 15, 2014 13:56
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Playing Morrowind, if I didn't feel like getting lost in a dungeon I just...did stuff that didn't involve dungeons. Doesn't Skyrim have stuff like that?
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May 15, 2014 14:16
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Hakkesshu posted:It just seemed like a weird solution to a problem that has a much simpler, more logical one: Just give the player a spell to teleport to the outside entrance. Not that I object to it in concept, but having it in every dungeon made no sense. It's one of the reasons I'm very excited for Pillars of Eternity's dungeon design. The mega dungeon especially is designed around multiple forays where you clear a part of it, leave and come back later after you've resupplied and sold loot. It gives dungeons a more natural and expansive feel that I really missed in Skyrim outside of that one massive underground cave.
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May 15, 2014 14:36
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Assassin's Creed Brotherhood had the best dungeons in any game  . Of course it's a completely different genre but they were all vast, custom made and fun to go through.
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May 15, 2014 14:52
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The Sharmat posted:Playing Morrowind, if I didn't feel like getting lost in a dungeon I just...did stuff that didn't involve dungeons. Doesn't Skyrim have stuff like that? You got lost in Morrowind dungeons? Dungeons in both Morrowind and Skyrim (but not Oblivion), even though they were pretty straight forward, had that epic feeling to them. I had a blast exploring them because there were enough unique rooms that you never knew what you'd find. The Witcher is obviously more low-key about it's dungeons but I hope we will find some gigantic cave/forgotten underground city/evil temple. Working so hard on my backlog right now, this and PoE is gonna take up so much of my time. I'm itching for a third play through of 2, that rarely ever happens with me.
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May 15, 2014 19:56
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There were a couple of dungeons in Morrowind that were a little confusing, mostly Dwemer stuff and a handful of family tombs. The Dwemer tileset, specifically, tiled in such a way as to make the minimap pretty crappy. Vergen in W2 had a similar problem, not actually that complicated, but arranged in a way as to make any spatial top-down map totally unreadable. Some of the better dungeons in Morrowind used that feature to do clever things like hide deadfall traps and stuff.
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Hakkesshu posted:It just seemed like a weird solution to a problem that has a much simpler, more logical one: Just give the player a spell to teleport to the outside entrance. Not that I object to it in concept, but having it in every dungeon made no sense. Since we're talking Elder Scrolls, this is actually something that used to be a thing in the series (the Mark and Recall spells). They took it out in later titles for whatever reason. I also liked how Witcher 2 handled it sometimes in cave sections by just giving me the option to stay or return to the surface without having to backtrack through a pitch black maze. The Sharmat posted:Playing Morrowind, if I didn't feel like getting lost in a dungeon I just...did stuff that didn't involve dungeons. Doesn't Skyrim have stuff like that? Skyrim has a ton of stuff like that. And anyone who complains about the dungeons being repetitive/samey apparently forgot about Oblivion because Skyrim was a MASSIVE improvement in that area.
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May 15, 2014 20:32
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The Sharmat posted:The dark sword effects are really cool the first time you use them then annoying for the next 40+ hours of gameplay. I think it would have worked a lot better if the graphical and audio effects only kicked in when your adrenaline bar was full or something.
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May 15, 2014 21:36
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:There were a couple of dungeons in Morrowind that were a little confusing, mostly Dwemer stuff and a handful of family tombs. The Dwemer tileset, specifically, tiled in such a way as to make the minimap pretty crappy. gently caress that Dwemer ruin in Morrowind that had the box for that skooma addicted bastard. I scoured the whole dungeon, instead taking a not so obvious left turn over a rock face to an alcove right near the loving entrance.
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May 15, 2014 21:51
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Well video game logic dictates that the Dwemer puzzle box would be at the "end" of the dungeon. Not on a shelf in the second loving room.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:Vergen in W2 had a similar problem, not actually that complicated, but arranged in a way as to make any spatial top-down map totally unreadable. This cannot be overstated. I've played through the Iorveth path like 10 times and I still get confused trying to use the minimap to navigate the various switchbacks and cul de sacs.
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May 16, 2014 02:21
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Rolling Scissors posted:gently caress that Dwemer ruin in Morrowind that had the box for that skooma addicted bastard. I scoured the whole dungeon, instead taking a not so obvious left turn over a rock face to an alcove right near the loving entrance. I have to admit, I never understood how people had trouble with that quest since ten year old me found it without any problem. 
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Leb posted:This cannot be overstated. I've played through the Iorveth path like 10 times and I still get confused trying to use the minimap to navigate the various switchbacks and cul de sacs. It's a real shame because Vergen is cool as gently caress.
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May 16, 2014 22:22
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Gobblecoque posted:I have to admit, I never understood how people had trouble with that quest since ten year old me found it without any problem. I think that quest is probably easier when you're young. As you get older, you realize patterns and rules of video game design and stop thinking out of the box. You assume that the objective will be at the end of the dungeon, so when it isn't, you become frustrated and confused.
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Akong posted:I think that quest is probably easier when you're young. As you get older, you realize patterns and rules of video game design and stop thinking out of the box. You assume that the objective will be at the end of the dungeon, so when it isn't, you become frustrated and confused. This is really sad when you think about it. We've come to expect laziness.
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We don't just expect it. Sometimes we even prefer it. If you've ever played a game with someone who doesn't usually play video games, you've probably been frustrated with their inability to understand basic concepts. This isn't because they're stupid, they just don't know the rules and we don't realize because it's become second nature to us. So when a game breaks the rules, we become frustrated with our own inability to understand it, and more often than not, we start blaming the game.
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The Witcher's tendency to make its choices have terrible unforeseen consequences doesn't seem to have deterred people in that way though, oddly.
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The Sharmat posted:The Witcher's tendency to make its choices have terrible unforeseen consequences doesn't seem to have deterred people in that way though, oddly. The Witcher games do a pretty good job of setting up expectations early, particularly in W2*, during the prologue at La Valette Castle, by the end of this section the game has explained that, in addition to the normal RPG rules, this one will also be doing unexpected things with the choice and consequences. That way it doesn't feel like the game is cheating you later on when "things happen". Morrowind was also setting up those expectations with the puzzle box, no one complains that Keening or any other quest objective wasn't in the last room. Once you realize that this isn't the kind of game where the dungeons are linear and have a treasure chest in the last room it's no longer a violation of expectations. *Actually, W1 does this pretty well too in the choice to go after the thieves or fight the monster.
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How long should I give the game before I decide whether it's right for me? The first time I tried, I made it to very early in chapter 1 before hitting the "can't carry anymore and no hints as to what you should be carrying", now I am trying again but it's just not grabbing me even though it's basically still the prologue.
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monster on a stick posted:How long should I give the game before I decide whether it's right for me? The first time I tried, I made it to very early in chapter 1 before hitting the "can't carry anymore and no hints as to what you should be carrying", now I am trying again but it's just not grabbing me even though it's basically still the prologue. It might be simply not for you. I've played some acclaimed games, which logically I know are awesome, but they have no pull for me. For example: I turn off Bastion after an hour and end up increasing my ~400h play time in unmodded Empire:Total War.
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monster on a stick posted:How long should I give the game before I decide whether it's right for me? The first time I tried, I made it to very early in chapter 1 before hitting the "can't carry anymore and no hints as to what you should be carrying", now I am trying again but it's just not grabbing me even though it's basically still the prologue. Sell everything unless you want to do the crafting. The crafting can make some really nice items but it's not necessary at all. And until you get to Flotsam don't pick up anything you can't use right away, it's not worth the trouble. The prologue shouldn't even have crafting stuff or junk loot anyway, it was a mistake to have all that crap. I can't help with if the game isn't grabbing you, but that should help with the inventory problem.
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May 21, 2014 09:37
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I just got a mod that made all of the crafting stuff weigh nothing, as I feel it should be in all games with crafting and weight systems. But then, I'm not really a fan of weight systems at all.
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May 21, 2014 10:28
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I don't mind crafting items having weight, and in some games weight systems don't bother me as much. Like in Skyrim it doesn't bother me that much because prioritizing higher-value loot is part of the game (not a super fun one, maybe, but I enjoy it). In more adventure/story-driven games like Witcher 2 though I don't much care for inventory management at all.
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I've just started my first playthrough after getting this off Steam for a steal. Just started Chapter 2, and I've already modded my carry weight up to 500, then 750. I don't mind the inventory-juggling in some games (e.g. STALKER was almost enjoyable), but here where there's like a million things to pick up (and the fact you can just empty people's houses with no consequences), I just can't handle not stealing everything. Even selling stuff I don't need (swords, armour, rubbish enhancements) I'm still lugging round hundreds of pounds of timber and iron ore 
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I_Socom posted:I've just started my first playthrough after getting this off Steam for a steal. Just started Chapter 2, and I've already modded my carry weight up to 500, then 750. Yeah, there's some mod that changes the carryweight of all crafting materials to zero. Inventory got a lot less annoying to me after downloading that one.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:Sell everything unless you want to do the crafting. The crafting can make some really nice items but it's not necessary at all. And until you get to Flotsam don't pick up anything you can't use right away, it's not worth the trouble. The prologue shouldn't even have crafting stuff or junk loot anyway, it was a mistake to have all that crap. Thanks for the advice to sell everything (though I don't even remember seeing any vendors in the prologue) - I guess I meant more, "when does the story start getting started"? Kind of like how people playing Alpha Protocol need to get past Saudi Arabia to see the good bits of the game, is there a point in the game where I should see what the good bits are?
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monster on a stick posted:Thanks for the advice to sell everything (though I don't even remember seeing any vendors in the prologue) - I guess I meant more, "when does the story start getting started"? Kind of like how people playing Alpha Protocol need to get past Saudi Arabia to see the good bits of the game, is there a point in the game where I should see what the good bits are? No vendors in the prologue. But there is a "bottomless" chest in the inn in Act I where you can drop all your crap into. That stuff automatically gets transferred to the storage chests in future acts. The game doesn't really tell you about those, you just have to happen upon them. I think a good line for when the story ramps up is when you meet the Kingslayer in Act I. Lycus fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 21, 2014 |
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I dunno, if you aren't hooked by the time Foltest bites it, I don't think it's for you.
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Well I just finished one of the Flotsam sidequests - hunting down the monster nests. Also please tell me that I get to shank Dandelion at some point because bards are always annoying. Any must-do sidequests in Flotsam? (For story or overpowered weapons, not just to bang on mooks.) Also I was wondering around the city looting it and swore that the two models for Foltest's kids/bastards/whatevers were in one of the houses, reused assets or plot dump to come? Lycus posted:I think a good line for when the story ramps up is when you meet the Kingslayer in Act I. I take it you don't mean the bit in the very beginning where you see him and the Elf Liberation Front guy looking at you as you enter Flotsam? Comte de Saint-Germain posted:I dunno, if you aren't hooked by the time Foltest bites it, I don't think it's for you. I really wasn't given much of a reason to care about Foltest. monster on a stick fucked around with this message at 08:09 on May 23, 2014 |
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PureRok posted:I just got a mod that made all of the crafting stuff weigh nothing, as I feel it should be in all games with crafting and weight systems. But then, I'm not really a fan of weight systems at all.
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