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baka kaba posted:How the gently caress does that argument even fly? Whenever there's a privatisation proposal it's always backed by some report that suggests that - get this! - the private sector could increase competition and innovation and improve outcomes! Even ignoring that this doesn't happen, the proposals are the exact same poo poo every time, but they're always presented and reported as some novel idea that's the result of fresh thinking and serious analysis. The thing is the private companies employed to provide child protection services will just hire all the newly redundant council staff on shittier contracts, and claim "See, SAVINGS!" whilst trousering huge sums for themselves. It's exactly what happened with the PCTs. There simply isn't some huge pool of private child protection professionals waiting to jump in. Notice also that the councils retain all liability for the service provision, even when handed over to G4S.
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From the comments: quote:Anarcho-capitalist here. Yes, we do believe in privatizing roads and police forces. "Privatization" is kind of a bad term though. There will exist many dispute resolution organizations and many road ways that arise in an anarchistic society, be they collectivized or privately owned in nature. There will simply be no centralized authority which gives them preferential treatment or compels people to become consumers.  Anarcho-Capitalists are literally the dumbest people in existence, aren't they?
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At this point there is literally no difference between free market rhetoric and religious dogma. If you were to go through the Lord's Prayer and replace all references to God with Free Market you'd have their official mantra.
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IceAgeComing posted:From the comments: The first thing I intend doing in their anarchocapitalist utopia is buying the land surrounding their house, building an encircling toll road and waiting for them to go inside before jacking the use fee up to £1m for them, but free for everyone else.
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May 16, 2014 20:54
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IceAgeComing posted:
Libertarians with a thesaurus, so yeah, pretty much
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May 16, 2014 21:04
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HortonNash posted:The thing is the private companies employed to provide child protection services will just hire all the newly redundant council staff on shittier contracts, and claim "See, SAVINGS!" whilst trousering huge sums for themselves. It's exactly what happened with the PCTs. There simply isn't some huge pool of private child protection professionals waiting to jump in. Yeah for real, it never works and the reality is always a reconfiguration that's just worse in every way, but what I mean is the story is the same every time. They're saying 'we think this is a good fit for this scenario', but they say that about everything because that's their ideological position. Is there's even a need to pretend there's some researched basis for these proposals anymore? It's not like they get challenged on selling off public services like it's a closing-down sale Ddraig posted:That's an interesting study. How does the Pope feel about it? The Pope is in the running to take over the private ownership and management of the woods, as he brings international expertise to the position
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May 16, 2014 21:05
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Michael Gove really needs to not be allowed around positions of authority.
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May 16, 2014 21:06
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Spangly A posted:Michael Gove really needs to not be allowed around positions of authority. Exactly what is his authority? I mean I thought he was just the head of the Department for Education, but lately he's been commissioning counter-terrorism experts to conduct special investigations into ISLAM PLOTS without even discussing it with the police (or any of the other people currently investigating the matter), and now he's apparently responsible for social services as well I mean this really is a scarily accurate cartoon:  In another time he'd have been a feudal prince running his fiefdom into the ground, ignoring all his advisors and making decisions based on his own whims, and riding out to blame the poors
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May 16, 2014 21:17
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It was ISLAM PLOTS in ARE KIDS SCHOOLS, therefore it is somewhat relevant. Still a load of bullshit, but what do you expect with a Tory government!
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baka kaba posted:How the gently caress does that argument even fly? Whenever there's a privatisation proposal it's always backed by some report that suggests that - get this! - the private sector could increase competition and innovation and improve outcomes! Even ignoring that this doesn't happen, the proposals are the exact same poo poo every time, but they're always presented and reported as some novel idea that's the result of fresh thinking and serious analysis. The right-wing press has been banging on about how the UK social services are literally Nazis for at least a decade now. The most recent exposure would probably be that story about how Social workers supposedly ordered surgeons to perform a c-section on a woman. It was utter loving nonsense but the services are obviously constrained by confidentiality and so cannot respond in a way sufficient to silence the bullshit. Christopher Booker in the Telegraph is probably the worst, he ignores context and presents complicated cases as if the family court and social work systems exist solely to poo poo on old Christian family values. Problems caused by chronic understaffing and underfunding are presented as personal failings of Social work staff when poo poo goes wrong. Their answer to these things is that Social Work must be privatised. twoot fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 16, 2014 |
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twoot posted:The right-wing press has been banging on about how the UK social services are literally Nazis for at least a decade now. The most recent exposure would probably be that story about how Social workers supposedly ordered surgeons to perform a c-section on a woman. It was utter loving nonsense but the services are obviously constrained by confidentiality and so cannot respond in a way sufficient to silence the bullshit. Christopher Booker in the Telegraph is probably the worst, he ignores context and presents complicated cases as if the family court and social work systems exist solely to poo poo on old Christian family values. Their answer to these things is that Social Work must be privatised. Things that never get reported in the right wing press #1147563856562846 The Guardian posted:Separately, a letter published in the Guardian today and signed by 37 senior social services academics led by professor Ray Jones, of Kingston University, warns that child protection is too important to be left to the "fickleness and failings" of the market.
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May 16, 2014 21:35
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When the whole Baby P thing was happening, it was disgusting the way the right wing tabloids were harassing us, even though we were so far removed from the whole thing that any story we could have told them would have been useless. But they LOVE to demonize social services.
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May 16, 2014 21:42
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May 16, 2014 21:48
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R. Mute posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3634476&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 i don't understand what any of that means
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IceAgeComing posted:i don't understand what any of that means 
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R. Mute posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3634476&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 What in the seven hells...
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El Scotch posted:What in the seven hells... 
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May 16, 2014 22:34
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this is the best thing; I love it when creepy idiots post in D&D https://soundcloud.com/brian-boyko/chainsaw-hands
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May 16, 2014 22:37
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I've finally found an avatar. Bless that thread.
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May 16, 2014 22:47
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El Scotch posted:I've finally found an avatar. Bless that thread. Dear God, why?!
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loving hell, what did I just walk into **edit a brony ancap with delusions of grandeur, think im gonna warm up a steaky bake, time for a read!
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Kegluneq posted:Can't believe he's still dragging that line out. For a massive 'gently caress you' response to that argument, see this awesome BBC news report on one of those schools. The kids themselves are adorable "At first I didn't know anything but I learned in two months." "You learned English in two months?" "Yeah. Well, not all the words."  I grew up mostly in Leicester and I consider myself and my community a lot richer for living in such a diverse and multicultural city. I love that I can go five minutes in any direction and, at least theoretically, hear loads of different languages (almost everyone actually speaks English of course  ) and get cuisine from around the world. Let me tell you, the Turkish guys at my local TJs know how to make a good loving pizza. And... that's honestly about it, at least for day-to-day matters. The oh-so-maligned multiculturalism mostly means I can get more tasty things easily. I'd like to think it has helped me to become a fundamentally more tolerant person as well, but for actual identifiable constant effects it just boggles my mind that racists could make any ground with their scapegoating.I will admit though, there's a mosque a moderate distance from my house and when the sound carries just right, I can sometimes hear the muezzin issuing the call to prayer 
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HortonNash posted:Dear God, why?! You just answered your own question. Muahaha.
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El Scotch posted:You just answered your own question. Muahaha. It's like a smiling cadaver...gently caress you're evil.
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SybilVimes posted:When the whole Baby P thing was happening, it was disgusting the way the right wing tabloids were harassing us, even though we were so far removed from the whole thing that any story we could have told them would have been useless. But they LOVE to demonize social services. Reminder that Labour actually put a giant child database in place to check the last time that a child was seen by a teacher or social worker to stop kids dropping off the map like baby P and the first thing the tories did was dismantle it because apparantly they believe that kids dying due to parents abysmal abuse is a small price to pay for a tick being put in a box stating "this child is not dead" on the national database for their kids.
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IceAgeComing posted:this is the best thing; I love it when creepy idiots post in D&D I was gonna post something relevant but now I can't because my brain is in a puddle on the floor
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CancerCakes posted:LBC is fast becoming my favorite radio station, I have just spammed facebook and twitter with that interview, so good. Did they hurl Nick Ferrari into the sun yet? Because that's the only thing that would allow me to agree with this statement. Superb Owls fucked around with this message at 08:30 on May 17, 2014 |
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Having read family law case transcripts I can say some of the poo poo these social workers have to put up with has made me feel physically sick on more than one occasion. They have a really really tough job. This is the kind of poo poo that can't be farmed out to the lowest bidder. P.s. My only personal experience with g4s was a counter terrorism expo about four years ago where they ran security. Event was being held for the first time. They were fairly lax and at the end of the show the staff had a drink while everyone networked. Thousands of pounds of valuable gear was nicked. Next year the expo was basically gutted of cool poo poo and was all videos and handouts.
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On the multiculturalism thing, sometimes if I'm on a bus or Tube, I'll pick a conversation I can't understand and try to work out what language they're speaking. And the language learning thing is fun. Most kids are really good at learning a language if they're in school 5 days a week. gently caress the Campaign for Real Education, though. 'Ooh, won't someone think of the poor white people?'  The fact that their spokesman resorted to "long-term implications", without saying anything specific, should tell you all you need to know about how much bullshit he's spewing.As for Michael Gove...  gently caress it, I'll write to my MP this weekend about it.
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Fairly sure my old home town of Bedford is one of the most diverse towns in England. I remember going to uni and being shocked at all the loving white people cos 50% of my friends were Asian. The blatant racism from people was also an eye opener, you'd have got your head kicked in back home for some of the poo poo I heard. On the plus side I can drop the c-bomb (equivalent) in Punjabi and I get invited to the best weddings. I swear most people worried about multiculturalism have had no exposure to it.
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Bozza posted:I swear most people worried about multiculturalism have had no exposure to it. This is statistically true iirc, the places most worried about multiculturism in polls are the least diverse
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Multiculturalism is basically the best thing ever because let's face it, white people are terrible
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Bozza posted:I swear most people worried about multiculturalism have had no exposure to it. This. I live in a very middle class, very rural, very white area, to such an extreme that there was only one or two non-white kids in my year back in schooldays. And everybody is 'deeply concerned' about multiculturalism and immigration and it boggles my loving mind. Even my grandparents - who have mixed race grandchildren for fucks sake - have been spouting things right out of the Daily Mail or UKIP taking points.
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You'll all be singing a different tune when black muslim parliament is forcing you to sit at the back of the bus because whites are a minority  Crane Fist posted:Multiculturalism is basically the best thing ever because let's face it, white people are terrible
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Bozza posted:Fairly sure my old home town of Bedford is one of the most diverse towns in England. Wikipedia posted:Bedford is home to one of the largest concentrations of Italian immigrants in the UK. According to a 2001 census, 2 in 7 (almost 30%) of Bedford's population are of at least partial Italian descent. This is mainly as a result of labour recruitment in the early 1950s by the London Brick Company in the southern Italian regions of Puglia, Campania, Calabria, Molise, Abruzzo and Sicily.[16] Bedford's Little Italy feel is enhanced by a wide variety of Italian bars, restaurants and social clubs throughout the town, as well as a large number of delis and grocery shops selling Italian and continental produce – and by the large Italian mission church run by the Scalabrini Fathers order. From 1954 to 2008 Bedford had its own Italian vice-consulate.[17] I remember moving from going to school in Bedford to going to university in Tower Hamlets and not being at all fazed by the diversity of the area compared to many of my friends who were moving to uni from places like Chelmsford or Oxford where they were mostly white.
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