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Pesky Splinter posted:Grievous' role in the film threw me too. I thought that they were going to have Christoper Lee as the main secondary antagonist, considering how little he did in AOTC. Nope, just stick in the asthmatic-robot-lizard and pretend everyone knows who he is I wish they had stuck with the original plans to cast Gary Oldman as the voice of Grievous. Then maybe he could have done something a bit better with the role. Although I guess he would still have that nonsense cough since as I recall, Lucas thought that was really funny.
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May 15, 2014 23:35
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Is it still foreshadowing if it's in a prequel? I didn't find Grievous that confusing in RotS without having seen the cartoon or read any of the books. I think they explained the character premise well enough before immediately killing him. It's not like most Star Wars villains are that complex in the first place.
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May 15, 2014 23:58
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It really sucks because Grievous was pretty awesome in the original cartoon. When he shows up, shits about to go down. Compare that to the lame, pathetic idiot who loses at every opportunity.
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May 16, 2014 00:03
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Pesky Splinter posted:I know the Darth names aren't known for their subtlety, but you know they're scraping the barrel when they're having characters calling themselves Darth Ruin, Darth Ravage, Darth Maladi, and Darth Karnage. I will stand up for the Darth Bane books....okay, I'll stand up for the first one, the other two are of questionable quality, but there really isn't any excuse for some of the sloppy Darth names that have cropped up since AotC (Tyrannus?? Really???) Christ, my Sith character names in ToR are better than some of them.
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May 16, 2014 00:11
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I was kind of proud of naming my Chiss Agent Star'che'rlin.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I will stand up for the Darth Bane books....okay, I'll stand up for the first one, the other two are of questionable quality, but there really isn't any excuse for some of the sloppy Darth names that have cropped up since AotC (Tyrannus?? Really???) Christ, my Sith character names in ToR are better than some of them. I remember this old flash video (pretty sure it was on Newgrounds between AOTC and ROTS) which explained that "Darth" actually means "in", and suggested names like Darth Vincible and Darth Decent Exposure.
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StashAugustine posted:I was kind of proud of naming my Chiss Agent Star'che'rlin. Code name Duchess? 
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May 16, 2014 00:51
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I named my Female Revan Magna Altru, for "magnaminity" and "altruism." She was a big ol' goody-two-shoes.
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I just modified names from the Simon Necronomicon, leading to Darth Xastuur and Darth Ennkidu. See how loving easy it is, ToR??
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May 16, 2014 03:42
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Darth Millenial is the spirit avatar of my generation.
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Cru Jones posted:The thing that really bugged me about the prequels is that it depended on the cartoons and books to be able to understand what was going for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. To an (admittedly much lesser) extent, that happened in the old trilogy as well. The name Boba Fett isn't mentioned at all in Empire, and the people who knew it did so from the Holiday Special, the toy commercials or the novelization or comic books. Likewise with the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi, whose name was first spoken in the cartoon that followed. As for Grievous, it's stated in the movie (again, admittedly with very few words) that he is a) the droid leader and a cyborg, b) that he is leading the war effort together with Dooku, c) that he has killed a lot of Jedi and collects their lightsabers. That's who he is, what is going on and why he has them. It's fleshed out more in the cartoon, yes, but there's really not any info that's missing from the movie if you pay attention. The problem is that that exposition is so very sparse and that it's buried under so much noise and flashy graphics. EDIT: Do we get an explanation in Phantom Menace just who the Sith are and why they are so dangerous? I honestly can't remember, because I read so much about them in EU material before and after the movie. Dave Syndrome fucked around with this message at 05:21 on May 16, 2014 |
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The other problem is he's all bark and no bite. We see all his lightsabers trophies and think "oh, maybe he can actually be an effective baddie" and one of the first things he does in the movie is get blown out a viewport and run away. I thought the Sith were dangerous because they showed up out of nowhere and tried to kill Qui-gon. buffybot fucked around with this message at 05:47 on May 16, 2014 |
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May 16, 2014 05:45
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buffybot posted:The other problem is he's all bark and no bite. We see all his lightsabers trophies and think "oh, maybe he can actually be an effective baddie" and one of the first things he does in the movie is get blown out a viewport and run away. Sadly, all the best Grievous scenes are in the original Clone Wars series of cartoon shorts. Both the part where he hunts down Ki-adi Mundi's team of Jedi showing how badass Grievous is and the part where Mace Windu wrecks his poo poo almost instantly, giving him the cough are in there. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 06:37 on May 16, 2014 |
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May 16, 2014 06:22
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Chairman Capone posted:I'm 100% sure that's the case. "People think KOTOR 2 is better than KOTOR 1? I'll show them what the REAL story is!" chaosrefined posted:Agreed with everything here. I've posted a couple of times about how badly done the book was, but it really does irk me. And yeah, Karpyshyn really doesn't like KOTOR 2: The Exile literally gets stabbed in the back, certainly no way to go. A lot of people (myself included) wanted KOTOR 3; instead we got that book and The Old Republic. Just finished the book tonight, and...yeah. I concur. There was a perfect set up with a force vampire and the force black hole that is the Exile, just like in KotoR 2. Then the Exile is offed in two sentences, right after doing the same to T3. Kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth. So, I'm content to just say we never heard from Revan or Exile again after KotoR 2 and the player meets an insane Revanchist who thinks he's the real thing in SWTOR. It's less stupid that way... Are there any easy breakdowns on what the deal is with this Legacy EU purge thing is? Like, whats canon and what isn't? I'm assuming they just whiped out everything after RotJ to make way for new movies. As for SW names, one trick I've heard is to just use a real name in reverse. Like, Dave Jones would be E'vad Senoj. Seems to work well enough.
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Canemacar posted:As for SW names, one trick I've heard is to just use a real name in reverse. Like, Dave Jones would be E'vad Senoj. Seems to work well enough. My first name is apparently Star Wars-y already.
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Canemacar posted:Are there any easy breakdowns on what the deal is with this Legacy EU purge thing is? Like, whats canon and what isn't? I'm assuming they just whiped out everything after RotJ to make way for new movies. The only things that are now Star Wars canon are: The 6 films All 6 seasons of Clone Wars + the Clone Wars film That's it. Everything else ever is now Legends. The upcoming Rebels TV show and the Sequel Trilogy will be in continuity, and they're gonna be putting out tie-in books that will be part of the new canon as well.
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buffybot posted:The other problem is he's all bark and no bite. We see all his lightsabers trophies and think "oh, maybe he can actually be an effective baddie" and one of the first things he does in the movie is get blown out a viewport and run away. I love how he's all, "Your lightsabres will make fine additions to my collection!" then he opens his cloak and there's like one lightsabre in it.
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jivjov posted:The only things that are now Star Wars canon are: Do we have any word on the Clone Wars cartoon series (not the CG one?) When the movies were airing it was pretty canon, as almost the full story in between Eps 2 and 3. But then when the CG show was announced the cartoon show was considered the 'pilot', which I guess is still canon. But now... has it rather faded away?
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For the first KotoR turned my screen name into J'sus Drakklord which was probably the best sith name in the game.
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EddieDean posted:Do we have any word on the Clone Wars cartoon series (not the CG one?) When the movies were airing it was pretty canon, as almost the full story in between Eps 2 and 3. But then when the CG show was announced the cartoon show was considered the 'pilot', which I guess is still canon. But now... has it rather faded away? I think it got mentioned somewhere that the Clone Wars cartoon is roughly canon but considered to be more or less propaganda released by the Republic to make the Jedi look like badass one man armies so the separatists will conveniently forget there are only a few hundred of them contributing to the war effort.
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I hope we haven't all forgotten about Darth Andeddu. God knows I tried.
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Another reason they should've just retconned the Rule of Two in place for all Sith everywhen. At least then we probably wouldn't have delved as deeply into the shithole as Darth Karnage. I might've unironically liked that name when I was 6.
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parara posted:I hope we haven't all forgotten about Darth Andeddu. God knows I tried. It's funny, it took me way longer than it should have to realize his name was supposed to be pronounced like "Undead". Partly I think it's because I mentally pronounced it the Welsh way, Andethu. api call girl posted:Another reason they should've just retconned the Rule of Two in place for all Sith everywhen. At least then we probably wouldn't have delved as deeply into the shithole as Darth Karnage. I've always wondered how long Lucas has had the rule of two in mind, or at least something along those lines. In Tales of the Jedi the Sith started out as a big mass society which then basically destroyed themselves, and then for most of the rest of the series it's a Dark Lord and an apprentice lord. Lucas was at least somewhat involved in giving his insight on the Sith to Tom Veitch, and this closely follows the general outline of Sith history Lucas gave to Terry Brooks for the TPM novelization a few years later.
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Dave Syndrome posted:EDIT: Do we get an explanation in Phantom Menace just who the Sith are and why they are so dangerous? I honestly can't remember, because I read so much about them in EU material before and after the movie. Not in the slightest. They (Sidious mostly) are portrayed as behind-the-scenes puppeteers with Maul being muscle. No real motivation for them is presented at all in TPM outisde of some beef they have with the Jedi. And this actually gets to the lack of characterization in most of the prequels. Characters don't go through any arcs and remain exactly as they are (in III less so). I'm watching this edit of TPM that does a lot to redeem what's there in the movie but it leaves a film that feels rushed and in desperate needs some character building/motivation/growth which you can't cut in if it was never there to begin with.
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jivjov posted:The only things that are now Star Wars canon are: Wow. I was expecting some pruning, but thats more slash-and-burn. Probably for the best though. There was a lot of stupid stuff built up over the years; it was time to clean house. I have a feeling we will see parts of the old EU start to trickle back into continuity as long as its popular enough and doesnt interfere with Disney's planned movies. Kind of like comic books after one of their reboots: all the classic stories will be revisited while the stupid stuff just gets forgotten.
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So I finished Scoundrels last night, and...I really liked it, even with the goofy as hell Indy homage, Ocean's 11 parallels, and twist that Eanjer is actually Boba Fett. I dunno, it was lighthearted enough for me to honestly enjoy.
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I really liked Scoundrels too, it's nice to just throw away all the overarching plot and just have a dumb thriller.
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Canemacar posted:Wow. I was expecting some pruning, but thats more slash-and-burn. Probably for the best though. There was a lot of stupid stuff built up over the years; it was time to clean house. Yeah, part of the announcement of the new canon thing included a bit about how the Story Group can and probably will mine the Legends continuity for ideas for the new continuity. So I wouldn't be too surprised to see Han and Leia have twins, for example, even if they aren't anything like old-EU Jacen and Jaina. Also, there's a whole lot of stuff that technically Legends EU that will most likely show up such as planets, species, and ships. It costs them litearlly nothing to say "Oh yeah, Obroa-skai is a planet that exists" or to keep things like TIE Defenders and E-Wings around.
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jivjov posted:Yeah, part of the announcement of the new canon thing included a bit about how the Story Group can and probably will mine the Legends continuity for ideas for the new continuity. So I wouldn't be too surprised to see Han and Leia have twins, for example, even if they aren't anything like old-EU Jacen and Jaina. Also, there's a whole lot of stuff that technically Legends EU that will most likely show up such as planets, species, and ships. It costs them litearlly nothing to say "Oh yeah, Obroa-skai is a planet that exists" or to keep things like TIE Defenders and E-Wings around. Exactly. A few examples just off the top of my head: Quinlan Vos is mentioned in both Revenge of the Sith and The Clone Wars, but it doesn't mean he has the same backstory as in the comics. The Selkath race appears in The Clone Wars - it doesn't mean that KOTOR is canon. Ryloth and Onderon, to name but two EU planets, put in an appearance. The fact that Trandoshans are a society of hunters is straight from the EU. Heck, the biggest EU borrow: Assaj Ventress. She has roughly the same backstory, but her life takes a very different turn. I expect this is basically how it will continue in Rebels, and in Episode VII, with changes thrown in where it suits the writers, such as giving Even Piell a different death, or renaming Korriban to Moraband, which, according to Dave Filoni, happened because Lucas thought it sounded too similar to Coruscant - which, of course, was in turn adopted from the EU.
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On the discussion of Darths... When they were trying to make The Force Unleashed have more of an impact they asked Lucas for a Darth name for Starkiller. Or as Gameinformer puts it quote:The team threw a Hail Mary to George, saying the game would have more credibility if the apprentice had a ‘Darth’ title,” a Force Unleashed team member says. Lucas agreed that this situation made sense for Sith royalty, and offered up two Darth titles for the team to choose from. “He threw out ‘Darth Icky’ and ‘Darth Insanius.’There was a pregnant pause in the room after that. People waiting for George to say ‘just kidding,’ but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point.”
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Speaking about Lucas and Starkiller, this interview on the cancelled Darth Maul game had some great gems that made Lucas look like a nine year old with autism:quote:The next day, Red Fly finally met with George Lucas, but not before being told how to talk to him. Our source says they were told to never say “No” to him, or to say, “Yeah, that will be easy.” They were also told not to mention Force Unleashed’s protagonist, Starkiller. If he’s referred to by George, it will be “that guy.” The most important rule, much like not feeding a Mogwai after midnight, was “Don’t tell George how the Force works.” http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/05/07/the-story-of-the-darth-maul-game-that-never-came-to-be.aspx
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Our world is so magical.
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cptn_dr posted:Suddenly the prequels make so much more sense. The Game Informer piece on the death of LucasArts effectively points all fingers at George for walking in and, on whims, changing entire plots of games. That 1313 game that was teased 2 years ago? He forced them to make it Boba Fett. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/02/12/fall-of-the-empire-how-inner-turmoil-brought-down-a-legendary-studio.aspx From the part on Fracture quote:When Fracture was revealed to the public, its protagonist was a character named Mason Briggs. By the time the game launched, his name was changed to Jet Brody. A person who helped give this gun-toting rebel his original name recalls going through weeks of naming conventions. “Literally, whole teams sitting together, brainstorming what looks good – the first name, the last name, etc. Done, good to go.”
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I wonder if Lucas came up with the name "Jet Nebula" for the Old Republic MMO?
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Stories like those are why I die a little every time I read the CD thread.
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The thing is, the warning signs were there. There was a big 3 word warning that Lucas was insane long before the prequels: Howard. The. Duck.
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