|
Elias_Maluco posted:Yesterday I was just thinking about how playing elective is actually a lot easier, since you can just choose the best of your flock as heir everytime. And when you have enough time and money and power, he/she is always elected. Unless, of course, something really bad happens. And then it did. It's not over!! Now that your family has been reduced down to not-the-Emperor, it's time to claw your way back up by bribery and intrigue and get yourselves re-elected! The fun has only begun!
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 15:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 09:35 |
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:Yesterday I was just thinking about how playing elective is actually a lot easier, since you can just choose the best of your flock as heir everytime. And when you have enough time and money and power, he/she is always elected. Unless, of course, something really bad happens. And then it did. In a situation like that, one benefit of Elective is that you can pick someone safe and old, like a competent but unspectacular 50-year-old uncle or whoever, to be your heir temporarily. That way if you die unexpectedly, you get someone your vassals will support, and then that new ruler can set your genius 4-year-old to be their heir once the kid gets a little older. Then, of course, the uncle will live to be 100 because that's CK2, but the benefit of elective is that if you don't die unexpectedly you can just switch back to your actual chosen heir when he hits age 16 (I've found that vassals are reluctant to vote for children unless they really like the current king).
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 15:25
|
|
|
EDIT: ^^^^^^^^ yeah, that is what I should have done. DrSunshine posted:It's not over!! Now that your family has been reduced down to not-the-Emperor, it's time to claw your way back up by bribery and intrigue and get yourselves re-elected! The fun has only begun! Oh, no, I had enough of it. I fulfilled all my goals and its almost 1300 already. I decided to save and then reload as Alexandria, a vassal merchant republic I had created. From there I can just grow peacefully while I watch how the AI (mis)manages the huge empire I left behind. I just want to see how it ends now (and how the Aztecs obliterate europe, they are having the most successful sunset invasion Ive ever seen). Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:31 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 15:26
|
|
|
If anyone wants to try CK2 MP it's actually relatively stable and fun now! We're doing a game today at 3pm EST (3 1/2 hours from now). We've only played a few sessions, we're still not at 1000 yet so there's still time to make your mark. If you want to join add "Last Emperor" or "Sammut" on steam and we'll get you in, or if you're already in the Europa Universalis goons steam group just join the steam chat before the game starts.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 16:24
|
|
|
Trujillo posted:If anyone wants to try CK2 MP it's actually relatively stable and fun now! We're doing a game today at 3pm EST (3 1/2 hours from now). We've only played a few sessions, we're still not at 1000 yet so there's still time to make your mark. If you want to join add "Last Emperor" or "Sammut" on steam and we'll get you in, or if you're already in the Europa Universalis goons steam group just join the steam chat before the game starts. I've been curious about multiplayer in this game. How does it work for pausing and such? Does everyone get to pause and unpause it, only one person, or does it just not pause? Also, I might join this if I can. Are any of the Zoroastrian leaders left, or have you gone on long enough for them to get wiped out?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 16:35
|
|
|
Roland Jones posted:I've been curious about multiplayer in this game. How does it work for pausing and such? Does everyone get to pause and unpause it, only one person, or does it just not pause? Anyone can pause. It runs on speed 2/3 usually so it goes at a pace that you don't really need to. If someone all of a sudden has a ton of land to divide up from an invasion or the like then we might pause for a minute or two. I know that there are still Zoroastrian provinces in the game but I'm not sure if anyone who follows it is left. There could still be some counts/dukes who do, can't remember exactly and I don't have the save myself to check.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 16:41
|
|
|
Trujillo posted:Anyone can pause. It runs on speed 2/3 usually so it goes at a pace that you don't really need to. If someone all of a sudden has a ton of land to divide up from an invasion or the like then we might pause for a minute or two. Gotcha. That makes sense. Pause thing, I mean; Zoroastrianism lasts forever even after all its rulers are stomped out so that's not a surprise. Anyway, will add one of you guys soon.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 16:44
|
|
|
Is there a way to check the technology spread rate to a province in my demesne, but not my capital? I'm in the process of moving from Leon to Paris, and would like to be caught up in tech before investing all my saved-up tech points. Also, the multiplayer game sounds like fun sometime. There's a lot of Last Emperors and Sammuts though. Would asking for a steam profile link be inappropriate?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:02
|
|
|
With the demise of CK2+, what is the go-to mod for balance and restraint?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:02
|
|
|
Serperoth posted:Is there a way to check the technology spread rate to a province in my demesne, but not my capital? I'm in the process of moving from Leon to Paris, and would like to be caught up in tech before investing all my saved-up tech points. In the technology view, you can hover the pointer over any province to see the tech levels there. The spread rate is indicated by the little animated cogs- if they are not moving then there is no spread for that tech. Green Wing posted:With the demise of CK2+, what is the go-to mod for balance and restraint? Project balance, which is part of HIP.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:19
|
|
|
So, um, I found a neat exploit, not sure if people are aware of this yet. The Jomsvikings have been my vassals for a pretty long time and I happened to be looking at their warchief. He had the ambition to become King of Pomerania. I was like, eh, okay, I'll create the title and grant it to him because he's such a swell guy, knowing full well that it'd cause problems further down the line, but I've got more than 20k longbowmen to keep any rebelling vassals down. When I create the Kingdom it defaults to Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind and after I grant it to him I decide to check out who will inherit the title. Apparently the Kingdom law has superseded the original inheritance law of the Jomsvikings (which is a type of elective if I recall correctly) because the Kingdom is of a higher tier than the titular title of Jomsvikings. Having no heir to the throne (because leaders of holy orders can't marry) the inheritance of the Kingdom and all his other titles (including Jomsvikings) defaults to me. I think you can see where this is going. So, having stabbed the guy, I'm now the Emperor of Britannia, Fylkir of the Norse faith, and warchief of the Jomsvikings. In Christian terms, I guess I'd be the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, Pope and Hochmeister of the Teutonic Knights.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:25
|
|
|
Serperoth posted:Also, the multiplayer game sounds like fun sometime. There's a lot of Last Emperors and Sammuts though. Would asking for a steam profile link be inappropriate? Yeah sorry probably should've thought of that: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sammvt
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:28
|
|
|
This game makes me think about succession laws too much while watching Game of Thrones, I'm currently in an argument in the GoT tv show thread about whether the Lannisters and Starks are running agnatic or agnatic-cognatic. What the gently caress is wrong with me?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:29
|
|
|
marktheando posted:This game makes me think about succession laws too much while watching Game of Thrones, I'm currently in an argument in the GoT tv show thread about whether the Lannisters and Starks are running agnatic or agnatic-cognatic. What the gently caress is wrong with me? This was me while watching Frozen. "Well of course Elsa would be upset over Anna just wanting to marry the first guy who so much as looked at her! Because Anna accepted Hans' proposal without discussing the terms of the engagement, the marriage type would've defaulted to patrilinear, meaning that with no male dynastic heir to the throne Elsa and Anna's dynasty would've died out resulting in a game over  "
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:54
|
|
|
marktheando posted:This game makes me think about succession laws too much while watching Game of Thrones, I'm currently in an argument in the GoT tv show thread about whether the Lannisters and Starks are running agnatic or agnatic-cognatic. What the gently caress is wrong with me? The Great Houses clearly operate under agnatic-cognatic succession, given that Sansa is now considered Lady of Winterfell. The Iron Throne, in contrast, seems to operate on a weird variant of agnatic-cognatic primogeniture where females can inherit but only after every other male in the dynasty is dead. Most of the dynasties in Game of Thrones have done a lovely job of preserving their line. It looks like nobody except the Lannisters have any eligible cousins to inherit. Starks are almost extinct, Tullies are dead, and Robin seems to be the last Arryn. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 17:56
|
|
|
I think this is down to GoT houses happily forming cadet dynasties any time a second son gains land or does something significant, like bastards in Norse dynasties founding their own new line. House Dyre undermines me, his Fylkr, at every step even now  e: such as the Karstarks I guess? Obliterati fucked around with this message at 18:08 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 18:05
|
|
|
Which is funny considering those houses have been around for something like 5000 years. /\ Well maybe that explains it.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 18:07
|
|
|
marktheando posted:This game makes me think about succession laws too much while watching Game of Thrones, I'm currently in an argument in the GoT tv show thread about whether the Lannisters and Starks are running agnatic or agnatic-cognatic. What the gently caress is wrong with me?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 18:09
|
|
|
Ratpick posted:So, um, I found a neat exploit, not sure if people are aware of this yet. I used to do this all the time in my Viking games, before the rules changed. Now, any holders of holy orders can't arrange marriages, so you run the risk of losing control over your Dynasty. On the other hand, you can have as much free piety as you want by donating to the Jomsvikings. It's more serious if you inherit the Knights Templar, since everyone in the Christian world will ask you for money. Vassalised Mercenary companies are better, since they don't have the restriction on who you can use them against. Though you can only do that for the Varangian Guard and one of middle-eastern ones.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 18:12
|
|
only
|
Edison was a dick posted:I used to do this all the time in my Viking games, before the rules changed. Oh, I didn't notice the part about not being able to arrange marriages. That is a bit of a problem. Then again, my dynasty is pretty huge already and I'm running tanistry, so as long as I keep finding ways to send courtiers of my family into other courts or giving them land I shouldn't have to worry about my dynasty dying out or anything.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 18:17
|
|
|
Trujillo posted:If anyone wants to try CK2 MP it's actually relatively stable and fun now! We're doing a game today at 3pm EST (3 1/2 hours from now). We've only played a few sessions, we're still not at 1000 yet so there's still time to make your mark. If you want to join add "Last Emperor" or "Sammut" on steam and we'll get you in, or if you're already in the Europa Universalis goons steam group just join the steam chat before the game starts. I'd be willing to give it a try. I've sent a friend invite.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 19:22
|
|
|
Ratpick posted:Oh, I didn't notice the part about not being able to arrange marriages. That is a bit of a problem. Then again, my dynasty is pretty huge already and I'm running tanistry, so as long as I keep finding ways to send courtiers of my family into other courts or giving them land I shouldn't have to worry about my dynasty dying out or anything. You can't even arrange marriages for yourself, so that's a pretty huge blow, especially if you're addicted to medieval eugenics+elective succession like me.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 19:35
|
|
|
With CK2 multiplayer, do you have to have the same checksum like in EU4?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 19:37
|
|
|
Eimi posted:With CK2 multiplayer, do you have to have the same checksum like in EU4? uh yeah that why is exists.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 19:42
|
|
|
So my emperor died of pneumonia, and his infant daughter inherited. It seems pretty hairy, factions are growing dangerous... then the Shia Caliph all the way in Punjab (who is the only know Shia country in the world) declares a jihad against me, saving my arse due to the +75 defending against infidels bonus which causes the factions to dissipate. So I'm basically getting +75 relations for doing nothing since he can't touch me. Thanks, caliph!
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:01
|
|
|
Rumda posted:uh yeah that why is exists. That, and Achievements.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:11
|
|
|
The checksum is annoying. I noticed when loading the game it would get stuck on "generating checksum" for what seems like forever. Taskmanager shows that whenever it gets to generating checksum, "Steam Client Bootstrapper" spikes up to 50% CPU and everything hangs. I tried putting steam in offline mode, and then the game then doesn't get stuck and works through generating checksum quickly. WTF?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:27
|
|
|
So, I'm trying an India run lately, starting from the Old Gods, but I'm kind of stuck because there's a giant loving blob right next door to my kingdom blocking expansion, and they seem invincible to internal dissent because they've been Jain for the past two or three generations, so they never have succession crises. I've been kind of stuck where I am for three generations because that blob explodes all over me if I so much as inch into it's de jure teritories, but the blob hasn't been spliting up because in the rare event that someone actual rebels, they're usually alone, and get swarmed under by 20,000 dudes. Do I just bide my time and keep building my infrastructure until they make a mistake? Or should I just reload and hope the blob doesn't get so big next time?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:35
|
|
|
So, is 2.1.5.3 playable yet?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:46
|
|
|
Dwarf posted:So, is 2.1.5.3 playable yet? Opt out of the beta, it still crashes fairly often.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 20:47
|
|
|
Still? As far as I know there's been no crashing issues until this beta, which is clearly marked "experimental".
Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 21:30
|
|
|
Can someone explain how pagan and hindu raiding works? I can't seem to figure it out. I mean, I know the toggle looter option- but I can't seem to raid some neighbors and can't figure out how to get wealth- is that unique to norse pagans and their ships? What does raiding do for non-norse pagans/hindus?
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:08
|
|
|
Quantumfate posted:Can someone explain how pagan and hindu raiding works? I can't seem to figure it out. I mean, I know the toggle looter option- but I can't seem to raid some neighbors and can't figure out how to get wealth- is that unique to norse pagans and their ships? What does raiding do for non-norse pagans/hindus? You can't raid other Indian religions.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:11
|
|
|
And pagans couldn't raid pagans, not until this beta patch I think? edit: and to your other question, if you raid non-neighboring provinces by boat, the money gets added to the boat and has to be returned, if you raid a bordering province, the money goes straight to your coffers. If you inland raid with no boats or borders, the money is lost. second edit: but if you really wanna gently caress up some guy's holdings, raiding does that too, and it can have value without getting money. I love kidnapping people like this, or softening them up for me or some other jackass. TaurusTorus fucked around with this message at 22:22 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:15
|
|
|
They always could until a bug stopped them from doing so, which is what the beta fixes.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:16
|
|
|
Edison was a dick posted:You can't raid other Indian religions. Yes you can, you just have to make sure the ruler of the province is a different religion, not (just?) the province.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:18
|
|
|
Ah, now that all makes a lot more sense. I still haven't done much playing around with pagans and indian religions.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:21
|
|
|
Bolian Blues posted:They must have been so pleased when Rajas of India was announced, they got genuine Aryan faces and even the ability to play as real Aryans. Iran has been in the game since the beginning though? CK2+ has apparently found a replacement lead. I hope they get somewhere cause HiP isn't quite what I'm wanting. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:22
|
|
|
Sorry to anyone who trusted me when I said ck2 mp was relatively stable. Hopefully we'll have better luck next week.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 22:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 09:35 |
|
|
Trujillo posted:Sorry to anyone who trusted me when I said ck2 mp was relatively stable. Hopefully we'll have better luck next week. I'll look forward to it. Hopefully it's stable; I was enjoying taking Salman "the Wise", a Zoroastrian rebel who had managed to get holy warred by a person with over twice his troops, an adventurer after him, and expelled Jews, to a relatively stable realm preparing to start taking chunks out of Persia while they tried to fight other people.
|
|
#
?
May 17, 2014 23:11
|
|