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Galler posted:After installing StartIsBack (which I will now admit is better than Classic Shell and worth the $5 or whatever it is now) I no longer have any complaints with Win 8 and see no reason to use 7. I was typing up another reply, but that sums up 90% of what it was.
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May 18, 2014 05:00
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Backov posted:Since when is Windows 8 an upgrade? From what, Win ME? Put 7 on that poo poo. She had 8 and upgraded to 8.1. If it were my computer I'd flatten and reinstall Windows 7 because all versions of Win 8 are just loving Busch-league kindergarten clusterfucks.  Edit: Yeah I should probably install startisback and I'd forget about everything I hate.
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May 18, 2014 05:12
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My issues aren't really with the UI. Sure, the metro start thing is annoying, but not a huge deal. What is a huge deal are all the bugs. Wifi adapter flakes out on both machines and has to be reset to work again. Sleep settings aren't respected. OS pops me back to desktop when I'm playing games because I'm about to run out of memory, and I should close the game I am playing to avoid that. WTF, Microsoft. You guys nailed virtual memory, WTF are you doing? Video and audio drivers are unreliable - if my Win8 laptop has to change resolutions, about half the time it will just fail to do so. So I'll get a black screen instead of my new resolution. This is a nVidia mobile card. Also will sometimes fail to properly reset the display when coming back from sleep mode, so it will be "awake" with a black screen. The only cure is to put it back to sleep and wake it up again. Both the SP2 and the laptop have the audio driver crash horribly when playing Rocksmith 2014. The SP2 much less so than the laptop. I've had the laptop BSOD a couple times, something I never saw with 7. In short, giant POS for various reasons, about half related to drivers. DO NOT BUY. Yes, my top of the line Vaio is probably just lovely hardware. It is, I am sure. But the SP2 was made for this OS, and still has some of these issues. Backov fucked around with this message at 05:33 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 05:19
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So, your problems aren't with the OS but with the third-party drivers? And I've never had a sleep setting issue, but that's only on three machines (two laptops, one custom built desktop).
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May 18, 2014 05:25
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Backov posted:top of the line Vaio Every Vaio I've ever worked on has required more loving with drivers and manufacturer proprietary software than any other laptop to get everything 100%. I'm guessing that issue is exacerbated by it being a higher end model. In the end you're right that it's Microsoft's problem to deal with but I'm just pointing out that on other laptops with more common hardware the frequency of issues you're having would probably not be present. Thankfully Sony can be pretty drat decent about providing good support for their new products. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 05:47 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 05:44
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Extra posted:Every Vaio I've ever worked on has required more loving with drivers and manufacturer proprietary software than any other laptop to get everything 100%. I'm guessing that issue is exacerbated by it being a higher end model. In the end you're right that it's Microsoft's problem to deal with but I'm just pointing out that on other laptops with more common hardware the frequency of issues you're having would probably not be present. Same. Vaios look damned cool, but holy gently caress proprietary poo poo.
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May 18, 2014 05:46
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CommieGIR posted:Same. Vaios look damned cool, but holy gently caress proprietary poo poo. Ya, I got lucky with my previous Vaio. Ordered a custom built Win7 laptop from them, and it was fantastic. After a couple years the USB ports were getting flakey so I sent it in for repairs. They lost it. They replaced it with this custom build of "similar" spec. Sigh. Going to be restoring its factory Win8 soon and selling it.
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May 18, 2014 05:49
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My major reason for hating Win8 is that it's part of this ridiculous retarded "pretend everything is a phone/tablet with a touchscreen, limited real estate, and that your user is a half blind Parkinsons sufferer with thumbs the size of canteloupes" fad every OS is apparently going through. gently caress that, I have screen real estate, and it's not a touch screen, go to hell. I'll be going straight back to FreeBSD (yes, on my desktop, yes I am a horrible nerd, no I don't care, gently caress your linux) when I run out of WinXP and Win7 licenses/machines. No love lost between me and Microsoft... and no, I'm not buying apple either, don't even bother. On that note. Time to go back outside and bolt more poo poo back onto my engine I can't even remember what tool I came back inside for, hopefully I remember before getting to the door.
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May 18, 2014 06:21
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Since we're talking about PCs again, I've got my new one all up and running now and holy poo poo. Going from a quad core Phenom II with DDR2 to a hyperthreaded hex core Ivy Bridge-E with DDR3 is a pretty big jump. Need to get a few more paychecks but soon I'll pick up another 48GB of RAM (for 64 total  ) and couple more SSDs and I'll be able to ditch my HP DL180 G5s and run my home lab off of just my desktop. Faster, quieter, and more efficient. Technology is wonderful.Overclocking has changed a lot in the past five years and also going AMD -> Intel but I've managed to fumble my way to having this i7-4930k running at stock speeds while undervolted and at 4.2Ghz under load with a very tiny bump in voltage. Might not even need that voltage bump but this voltage offset thingy doesn't seem to behave as advertised. e: Also my motherboard came with a free copy of AssCreed 4 so I guess it's time to go have fun being a pirate and desperately trying to ignore whatever retarded plot ubi came up with this time. Galler fucked around with this message at 06:38 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 06:34
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So my sister is moving back to Orlando from Ann Arbor next week. I'll be flying up Thursday, First Class.  (it was a $22 upgrade on a $470 ticket, no-brainer.)She'll be hanging with her friends up there one last time on Friday before we pack that night. Don't know if I'll have transportation, but assuming so, any particular must-see sights in the area?
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May 18, 2014 06:44
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Galler posted:e: Also my motherboard came with a free copy of AssCreed 4 so I guess it's time to go have fun being a pirate and desperately trying to ignore whatever retarded plot ubi came up with this time. I'm not a huge fan of AssCreed games but 4 is pretty loving great. Treat it like Sid Meier's Pirates! but all grown up and you'll have the right idea. Customizable, upgradable ship with an open world where you can sail, capture defeated ships to start a merchant fleet, fight legendary ships for special upgrades, go diving for blueprints, capture forts to call your own, search random islands for treasure... I mean yeah, there's a story, but it takes a massive backseat to the exploration and free roam. AC4 is pretty much amazing. Like, it's my favorite game to come out recently, it's that good. EDIT: Also, you collect motherfucking shanties that you find floating in various towns and it unlocks new songs for your crew to sing while you're sailing. Collectable shanties. I don't think I need to say anything else
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May 18, 2014 06:47
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Fucknag posted:So my sister is moving back to Orlando from Ann Arbor next week. I'll be flying up Thursday, First Class. Michigan sucks.
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May 18, 2014 06:48
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T1g4h posted:I'm not a huge fan of AssCreed games but 4 is pretty loving great. Treat it like Sid Meier's Pirates! but all grown up and you'll have the right idea. Customizable, upgradable ship with an open world where you can sail, capture defeated ships to start a merchant fleet, fight legendary ships for special upgrades, go diving for blueprints, capture forts to call your own, search random islands for treasure... I mean yeah, there's a story, but it takes a massive backseat to the exploration and free roam. AC4 is pretty much amazing. Like, it's my favorite game to come out recently, it's that good. Will do, thanks. Also that seems to match up pretty well to Yahtzee's review. Ship stuff fun everything else ehh. I thought the first 3rd of 1 was OK, 2 was a lot better and pretty fun overall, Brotherhood was great, and I've not played Revelations or 3. I wish there was an option to autoskip everything related to whatever overarching plot ubi is working on (all the animus related stuff) because it's so bad it almost ruins the gameplay.
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May 18, 2014 06:55
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There's not too much Non-Pirate stuff, thankfully. I want to say like, 3 or 4 modern day scenes that you have to do during the course of the story, but for the most part it's optional stuff you can do if you really give a drat about Ubi's weird modern day tale of Templars and Abstergo and etc. I ignored all of it, gently caress that, I'm here to play pirate and broadside motherfuckers 
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May 18, 2014 06:58
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Galler posted:Since we're talking about PCs again, I've got my new one all up and running now and holy poo poo. Going from a quad core Phenom II with DDR2 to a hyperthreaded hex core Ivy Bridge-E with DDR3 is a pretty big jump. Need to get a few more paychecks but soon I'll pick up another 48GB of RAM (for 64 total what are you doing 
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Everything. I'll admit this is slightly overkill but I'm going to use this thing every day for the next ~5 years so I don't mind spending a bit more. Especially now that I'm in the best financial situation I've ever been in. e: a quad core i7 with 32GB RAM probably would have been enough but with this I won't ever need to choose between videogames and virtual machines and can also play around with RAM disks at the same time or something. Galler fucked around with this message at 07:23 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 07:12
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Pick up a 4 socket Poulson core Itanium machine sometime, you can put up to 8TB of RAM on those (so 2TB per socket) if the motherboard supports it and you have deep enough pockets. Well, our dev machines had that as the maximum at work in 2011, I don't know that that was the actual physical addressing limit for the memory controllers on those chips. It may have been higher
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May 18, 2014 07:28
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OK, AI: Esprit S4/S4S vs NSX; which would you choose and why?
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NSX. I had a long post trying to justify/rationalise it but gently caress that. NSX.
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May 18, 2014 08:46
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Snowdens Secret posted:I'm in west Iowa tonight and there seem to be an unusually high number of people with visible tattoos on their heads It got nice out today, so people took off their stocking caps. We're Iowans, we still don't quite trust that winter's over. 
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Sinestro posted:I want to work out, but I don't know what to do. I can't afford a gym membership, and my hosed up feet preclude much running. Just through eating slightly better, even though I still eat like poo poo, I've lost 30 pounds this year. Get a gym mat, fashion some sort of pullup bar, and you're in business. When you advance a little bit further, some sort of used barbell + plates and a DIY power rack + bench is really all you need. I just joined a fancy commercial gym due to changing jobs and losing access to the one at my old work, and pretty much my entire workout could take place in a squat rack that has a pullup bar bolted to it.
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May 18, 2014 09:14
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Got a pretty  text earlier inviting me over to some sexy times. Yay!  Then I got back from my last delivery at work to find this waiting for me:   Guess who clocked out at 2:45am?  bolind posted:I just joined a fancy commercial gym due to changing jobs and losing access to the one at my old work, and pretty much my entire workout could take place in a squat rack that has a pullup bar bolted to it. The city I live in has several city-owned recreation centers - a couple of them even have pools. All of them have a decent selection of cardio + weight equipment, the one I always go to has an indoor track as well. $119/year, and they're open early/late. I let my membership lapse recently, but I plan to join again pretty soon. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 09:53 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 09:50
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Geirskogul posted:What's it like time-traveling a year into the future? Windows 8 is actually pretty acceptable now, and has measurable startup time, resource management, and performance improvements. gently caress the pricks who thought Metro was anywhere near a good idea - Start8 is the only thing that makes that poo poo sandwich usable. The under the hood improvements (which as you said are really there) mean nothing if the UI is a turd sandwich. If ONLY they had not forced a loving phone UI oto a desktop. Metro on a server, that's just plain inexcusable stupid.
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Cat Terrist posted:gently caress the pricks who thought Metro was anywhere near a good idea - Start8 is the only thing that makes that poo poo sandwich usable. The under the hood improvements (which as you said are really there) mean nothing if the UI is a turd sandwich. If ONLY they had not forced a loving phone UI oto a desktop. I have never understood the rage about Windows 8. The standard, traditional desktop is literally 1 click from the Metro interface. It's just not an issue. On a tablet, though, I did find Metro to be infuriatingly bad for look, customizing and setup.
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May 18, 2014 12:41
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Gotta love mixing booze and Xanax. Do. Not. Remember. poo poo. First thing I did when I woke up is ask if I tried to fight anyone. Good times.
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I've heard enough people bitch about 8 that I'm not even going to bother trying it out (esp when I loving love 7 and everything about it). I bought 2 7Pro serials when I was in school, and that'll keep me going until MS gets their poo poo straight again. I've also never used Vista (well once), I was on 2K/XP for most of a decade.
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May 18, 2014 17:02
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Tommychu posted:I've heard enough people bitch about 8 that I'm not even going to bother trying it out (esp when I loving love 7 and everything about it). I bought 2 7Pro serials when I was in school, and that'll keep me going until MS gets their poo poo straight again. Vista was as much of a gently caress in reality as Win8 is in the collective view.
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Windows 8 is fine and you all need to stop being Sperg-Kings of Goonmar, Lords of the Tardgl, Chieftains of the Nerdwraiths.
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May 18, 2014 17:33
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I hopped on the Win8 beta and RC since I was a computer janitor at the time and I was using it on my school laptop and on my HTPC. The start menu programs hadn't existed yet, but out of the box it took me more keystrokes to do the same thing in Win7. That's unacceptable. I liked Windows Vista, but I wasn't a loving invalid and tried to run it with 512MB of RAM (8GB supremacy). Meatpimp nailed it: it's just another PR nightmare like Vista. See: the Mojave Experiment.
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Guys. Guys! http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/browse/home I see poo poo like crown vics, E350 15-person vans, generators, and other poo poo go for insanely cheap. Also saw a C5 go for something like $9k.
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May 18, 2014 19:34
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some texas redneck posted:Got a pretty gently caress that poo poo seriously? Your manager didnt even get a head start for you? I would have walked out.
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Isn't being a kitchen bitch great? Just think of the money and respect you get from your employer and ahahah 
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Speaking of Metro, any happy Windows phone users around? I'm kind of fed up with Android and don't really want to go back to iOS.
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blk posted:Speaking of Metro, any happy Windows phone users around? I'm kind of fed up with Android and don't really want to go back to iOS. Do you like not having any apps? Because then Windows Phone 8 is for you. It works fine. I prefer IOS or Android. I will say the Nokia Lumia I have is really, really nice though (the hardware). But not nice enough for me to use as a primary phone/make up for WP8.
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some texas redneck posted:Then I got back from my last delivery at work to find this waiting for me: What I hate is when you have that many pans, you can only wash about 1/4 of them before the water gets so oily that they start coming out as greasy as the go in and then you have to drain and refill the wash basins with fresh water before you can continue. I hated coming back to that on my last delivery. 
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Motronic posted:Do you like not having any apps? Because then Windows Phone 8 is for you. Yeah, I'm not a big app user.
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blk posted:Yeah, I'm not a big app user. In that case, it does everything you would expect a smart phone to do out of the box and integrates well into the Microsoft cloud ecosystem (as one would expect). Unfortunately the platform simply isn't taking off as expected. Nokia/Microsoft are paying companies to port their apps in an attempt to get a critical mass in the app store (including my company). Then Nokia did something really odd in December or so with the super secret "Normandy" project pre releases (it's basically just a Nokia build of Android): they gave it a Metro-like UI. So, uh......I dunno, I guess WP8 is too fat to run on low end hardware they have planned or something. Otherwise it makes no sense to "clone" WP8.
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