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Kurtofan posted:Most vps born what an honor. Better than golf holes per capita (SC). Peanut President fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 16, 2014 |
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What does "Fewest mental health days taken" mean? I have very little knowledge about the US healthcare, but I can't help but read it as a spin on "inaccessible mental care".
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May 16, 2014 21:56
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steinrokkan posted:What does "Fewest mental health days taken" mean? I have very little knowledge about the US healthcare, but I can't help but read it as a spin on "inaccessible mental care". A mental health day is when you take a day off because you're feeling stressed. I've never heard it applied to any aspect of mental health other than stress. Like "fewest sick days taken," you could interpret this information in different ways, as either overly restrictive work leave policies or as people in that state having less stress from work. Might be a little of column A and a little of column B.
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May 16, 2014 22:11
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I think most bromine production is my favorite.
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May 16, 2014 23:41
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Alaska is "Most Equal"? What does that even mean? They don't have gay marriage, and anti-discrimination against LGBT people amounts to a gubernatorial executive order about gays and absolutely nothing about gender identity. They also gave us Sarah fuckmothering Palin. Sorry I'm biased against Alaska because every single Alaskan I've ever met was bizarrely nationalist with regards to their state, convinced that it was the golden goose of the US and better than all the other states and that life is perfect and good in Alaska and terrible everywhere else. Maybe I just know weird people.
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May 16, 2014 23:56
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Income equality, presumably.
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May 16, 2014 23:57
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steinrokkan posted:Income equality, presumably. The oil checks help.
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May 17, 2014 00:15
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On the topic of second language maps, here's one for the boroughs of London. I'd love to see one for all the counties in the UK.
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May 17, 2014 00:22
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Yeah, I love that Alaska is pretty dang conservative, but they've ended up with a minimum income setup thanks to oil. If only we could spin some nationwide program as an extension of that.
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May 17, 2014 00:23
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Broniki posted:On the topic of second language maps, here's one for the boroughs of London. I'd love to see one for all the counties in the UK. "Greenwhich".
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May 17, 2014 00:28
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Phlegmish posted:Most commonly spoken language other than English or French? Only thing that surprises me is German in Yukon, rather than a native language. I'm going to take a guess it's the most spoken non-official language(s). I can't imagine there are more German speakers in the Yukon than aboriginal.
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May 17, 2014 00:44
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 There is plenty here that is new to me; Madagascar having the same language family as Indonesia was near the top. Count Roland fucked around with this message at 00:58 on May 17, 2014 |
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May 17, 2014 00:55
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May 17, 2014 00:59
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Count Roland posted:
Apparently people first migrated to Madagascar all the way from Indonesia rather than from Africa.
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Farecoal posted:Apparently people first migrated to Madagascar all the way from Indonesia rather than from Africa. And just ~2000 years ago.
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Kennel posted:And just ~2000 years ago. Hell, New Zealand was only settled by humans around the year 1200.
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El Scotch posted:I'm going to take a guess it's the most spoken non-official language(s). I can't imagine there are more German speakers in the Yukon than aboriginal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukon#Language Peaceful Anarchy fucked around with this message at 01:26 on May 17, 2014 |
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That makes some sense though. New Zealand is really loving far away from centers of civilization. Madagascar, while an island, is comparatively close to a landmass that's been inhabited for a very long time. It even has some nearby islands as stepping stones. Maybe its a sea current thing that makes it easier to approach from the east.
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Farecoal posted:Apparently people first migrated to Madagascar all the way from Indonesia rather than from Africa. Malagasy and Bahasa Indonesia and Tagalog and Hawai'ian are all members of the Malayo-Polynesian subfamily of Austronesian. All other Austronesian subfamilies (there are several) are spoken only on Taiwan, where they are autochtonous. Chinese languages are relatively recent to Taiwan, where they are now majority. TheImmigrant fucked around with this message at 03:41 on May 17, 2014 |
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May 17, 2014 03:39
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:English is not an official language in Quebec while Inuktitut is an official language in Nunavut and Dogrib is an official language in NW Territories, so I don't think that's it. Also, Yukon doesn't have any indigenous languages as official languages. Yeah, it seems the natives were thoroughly anglicized in Yukon if less than one percent of the population speaks a native language.
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Phlegmish posted:Yeah, it seems the natives were thoroughly anglicized in Yukon if less than one percent of the population speaks a native language. About a quarter of Yukon's population is First Nation, but is linguistically so fragmented that no single native language has more than a few dozen speakers. More people speak Tagalog or Punjabi than any discrete native language.
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May 17, 2014 14:12
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It's easy to forget how incredibly diverse North American indigenous languages are/were. This map shows language families, for comparison Europe has only three such families, Indo-European, Basque and Uralic.
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May 17, 2014 14:25
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And then you get to New Guinea:
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Soviet Commubot posted:It's easy to forget how incredibly diverse North American indigenous languages are/were. This map shows language families, for comparison Europe has only three such families, Indo-European, Basque and Uralic. e: New Guinea excluded. Guess the same question goes for them. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 17, 2014 |
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May 17, 2014 14:59
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Soviet Commubot posted:It's easy to forget how incredibly diverse North American indigenous languages are/were. This map shows language families, for comparison Europe has only three such families, Indo-European, Basque and Uralic. Wow, the west coast is very diverse.
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computer parts posted:And then you get to New Guinea: You can clearly see the effects of the Austronesian expansion where they colonized a lot of New Guinea's islands and coastal areas. It's actually remarkable for the linguistic situation to remain relatively stable in that sense over a period of thousands of years. Time will tell to what extent Tok Pisin can upset the balance with its rise as a unifying lingua franca with an increasing number of native speakers of its own. A Buttery Pastry posted:Are these all really "top-level" language families? California looks to have more than all the Old World combined. I assume that they're using sensible criteria, but it seems to me that it is always a bit arbitrary to determine what exactly constitutes a 'language family'. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 15:05 on May 17, 2014 |
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Soviet Commubot posted:It's easy to forget how incredibly diverse North American indigenous languages are/were. This map shows language families, for comparison Europe has only three such families, Indo-European, Basque and Uralic. Are the Na-Dene groups in the southwest US and northwest Canada related somehow? It's odd to think that they migrated without leaving any speakers in between.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are these all really "top-level" language families? California looks to have more than all the Old World combined. Yeah, but obviously the whole structure of language families as we know them is an artifact of both human history and the limitations of historical linguistics. As in, when it comes to Native American languages, you've got a whole bunch of separate language families because of the paths the past has taken, and because comparative linguistics cannot prove that they are related. The languages change so fast when they are isolated from each other, that even when you have every reason to assume the languages are related at some vast time depth, you cannot possibly find the cognates & structures to prove the relation.
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Ras Het posted:Yeah, but obviously the whole structure of language families as we know them is an artifact of both human history and the limitations of historical linguistics. As in, when it comes to Native American languages, you've got a whole bunch of separate language families because of the paths the past has taken, and because comparative linguistics cannot prove that they are related. The languages change so fast when they are isolated from each other, that even when you have every reason to assume the languages are related at some vast time depth, you cannot possibly find the cognates & structures to prove the relation.
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Soviet Commubot posted:It's easy to forget how incredibly diverse North American indigenous languages are/were. This map shows language families, for comparison Europe has only three such families, Indo-European, Basque and Uralic. In total fairness, Europe used to have languages outside of those families (Eteocretan, the Tyrsenian family if it's a valid grouping, whatever language family Iberian belonged to, whatever otherwise unattested languages various European substrates are from, etc.); they've just been extinct for a long time now.
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May 17, 2014 15:16
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So it's perhaps less language families, and more isolates (like Basque), in some cases at least? Combined with lack of research obscuring possible connections. The isolates are numbered, as you can see. The families are families, as in there's a clear relation in the languages within them but not between the families. An "isolate family" would be a redundant concept. And yeah, lack of research can be an issue, but I think all surviving Native (North) American languages are well documented.
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May 17, 2014 15:18
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Farecoal posted:Hell, New Zealand was only settled by humans around the year 1200. How the hell did that (not) happen?
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Ras Het posted:The isolates are numbered, as you can see. The families are families, as in there's a clear relation in the languages within them but not between the families. An "isolate family" would be a redundant concept. And yeah, lack of research can be an issue, but I think all surviving Native (North) American languages are well documented.  Please excuse my brainfart
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Jerry Cotton posted:How the hell did that (not) happen? Presumably because New Zealand is something like a thousand miles away from anything the Polynesians (or anyone else) would have been settling from.
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Badger of Basra posted:Are the Na-Dene groups in the southwest US and northwest Canada related somehow? It's odd to think that they migrated without leaving any speakers in between. I would assume that at one point the language family extended from Canada to the American SW, and that anything in between on that map would likely be an invading language. Kind of similar to how the Algic family in the north eastern quadrant of the continent has other groups (Iroquoian largely) apparently attempting to bisect the main populations. I'd also argue that language families do not necessarily superceed tribal politics and alliances. I'm no scholar on native American/first nations history and culture though... Just making assumptions. E: posting from a phone. Backweb fucked around with this message at 04:28 on May 18, 2014 |
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Even more interesting, perhaps, is the distribution of the parent family, Dené-Yeniseian:
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Backweb posted:I would assume that at one point the language family extended from Canada to the American SW, and that anything in between on that map would likely be an invading language. The current belief seems to be that the Southern Athabaskan groups (basically the Apache and Navajo) formerly lived much further north and migrated southward sometime around 1200 AD. Incidentally, the Na-Dené family is interesting in that a "well-received" proposal was made a few years back linking it to one of the "Paleosiberian" groups. Backweb posted:Kind of similar to how the Algic family in the north eastern quadrant of the continent has other groups (Iroquoian largely) apparently attempting to bisect the main populations. On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be much of a consensus about the origin of the Algic family, which on top of the more obvious geographical separations also includes a pair of essentially extinct languages formerly spoken in the vicinity of Eureka, CA.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Even more interesting, perhaps, is the distribution of the parent family, Dené-Yeniseian: This one is still theoretical, though I've heard the evidence for it is growing. Current theory is that the Dene family isn't descended from Yeniseian, but both share a common origin further back in time, presumably in Siberia. Another interesting thing about the theory is that it must mean that either other American Indian languages have all diverged to the point where they can't be recognizable as members of that same language family, or all Native American language families are not related to each other and multiple language families passed through the Bering landbridge.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Even more interesting, perhaps, is the distribution of the parent family, Dené-Yeniseian: why is the EU a single country on this map ?
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skipThings posted:why is the EU a single country on this map ? This map actually depicts the UKIP's worst fears.
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