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silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Neighbors-say-mosque-in-Redmond-would-add-to-traffic-parking-woes-259310311.html"

quote:



REDMOND, Wash. -- A plan to build a house of worship has ended up dividing the community as neighbors fight to keep it off of NE 51st Street. The opponents say the problem is not with the religion, but they worry about the traffic and congestion a mosque could bring.

The lot used to be a scrap-yard of old cars, but a group of Muslims is trying to turn it into holy ground. They applied to build the Anjumann E Burhani Mosque on the property, which neighbors say could set in motion a string of problems.

"It's like putting a square peg in a round hole," said neighbor Sam Weirbach. "It just isn't a good fit based upon traffic."



Lee Atwater sheds a ghostly tear. A beautiful repurposing of the southern strategy. Lets talk about traffic!

gently caress the east side.

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D1Sergo
May 5, 2006

Be sure to take a 15-minute break every hour.
I live near there, traffic in that general vicinity is terrible for much of the day due to all the Microsoft activity around there. I don't deny that outright racism plays a part in the opposition to the Mosque, but I'm willing to bet that it's more about Microsoft folks knee-jerking about getting around campus.


On the other hand, these are things no one pays attention to unless scary Muslims are involved, so I'm probably just wrong there.

D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 17:09 on May 15, 2014

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
We have a mosque in my neighborhood at northgate way and 15th ave ne - there's zero increased traffic because most folks who attend mosque walk to it. I think it's kinda like orthodox jews - there's only certain exceptions where they're allowed to drive on holy days. I could be totally wrong though.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Tigntink posted:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Neighbors-say-mosque-in-Redmond-would-add-to-traffic-parking-woes-259310311.html"



Lee Atwater sheds a ghostly tear. A beautiful repurposing of the southern strategy. Lets talk about traffic!

gently caress the east side.

Folks are trying to build a Mosque in Mukilteo as well, but all I've seen is a small banner that has since been taken down. Anyone know anything about this?

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Solkanar512 posted:

Folks are trying to build a Mosque in Mukilteo as well, but all I've seen is a small banner that has since been taken down. Anyone know anything about this?

Mosques are usually built w/o any bank loans (because of a ban on all uses of usury), so of all holy grounds they tend to be the ones that are the most either fly-by-night or full of stop-start planning.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
It's a shame the income tax didn't pass in WA. It'd be nice to revisit the issue at some point.

This is thoroughly ridiculous:



From: Who Pays? A distributional analysis of the systems of all 50 states. (PDF)

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Guys if you want to preserve the illusion that you're not bigots you have to keep from insulting Islam in the article comments. :ssh:

They can't help themselves.

Bob Socko
Feb 20, 2001

51st street, that's the one with its own exit to/from 520, right? Traffic there is only bad during regular commuting hours, and I say that as someone who's lived in the area for about ten years. Neighbor Sam Weirbach seems to be mistaken, but why? But why?

Eggnogium
Jun 1, 2010

Never give an inch! Hnnnghhhhhh!

Bob Socko posted:

51st street, that's the one with its own exit to/from 520, right? Traffic there is only bad during regular commuting hours, and I say that as someone who's lived in the area for about ten years. Neighbor Sam Weirbach seems to be mistaken, but why? But why?

I work right at 51st and the 520 and there is never, ever traffic problems, even during rush hour. The only congestion comes from cars exiting for 40th street, so maybe they should protest the new Microsoft building going up instead.

tk
Dec 10, 2003

Nap Ghost

Eggnogium posted:

I work right at 51st and the 520 and there is never, ever traffic problems, even during rush hour. The only congestion comes from cars exiting for 40th street, so maybe they should protest the new Microsoft building going up instead.

When I first heard the traffic complaints I assumed it was going to be some gigantic thing with hundreds of cars coming and going simultaneously, but apparently they're looking at like 30 something parking stalls? Hard to take those complaints seriously with all the office buildings right there that actually bring in hundreds of cars daily.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Accretionist posted:

It's a shame the income tax didn't pass in WA. It'd be nice to revisit the issue at some point.

This is thoroughly ridiculous:



From: Who Pays? A distributional analysis of the systems of all 50 states. (PDF)

Not surprising given how sales tax basically works out to being a big flat tax for lower income groups.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Hell, a flat tax would be a huge step up. Those typically exempt your first $X of income.

OwlBot 2000
Jun 1, 2009

Accretionist posted:

Hell, a flat tax would be a huge step up. Those typically exempt your first $X of income.

A flat tax followed by tax cuts for 65% of people later would actually be a tricky way to impose a progressive taxation system.

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.
How about some sort of flat tax based on income.

OwlBot 2000
Jun 1, 2009
That would be great but unfortunately voters around here are just too drat stupid.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

I remember when Shoreline switched from being "Unincorporated King County" to "The City of Shoreline", but at the time I was way too young to know why it was happening. I remember hearing that it may have been because of school busing concerns, that residents of Shoreline didn't want their kids to be sent to south Seattle instead of local schools (if you've been to Innis Arden, aka North Mercer Island, this is believable). Was this remotely accurate in why Shoreline was formed?

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

oxbrain posted:

How about some sort of flat tax based on income.

Or wealth.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

effectual posted:

Or wealth.

Call it an 'Oligarch Tax.' Make sure people know Russia had those and they were bad

OwlBot 2000
Jun 1, 2009
Had?

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Ha, tense issues, yeah. They've got some unsavory dudes who'd be great for an ad campaign. I can't do ad-work but imagine using something like:

THE OLIGARCH TAX



BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT


(^^^ Sergey Veremeenko)

Xylorjax
Nov 27, 2002

Mojo Threepwood posted:

I remember when Shoreline switched from being "Unincorporated King County" to "The City of Shoreline", but at the time I was way too young to know why it was happening. I remember hearing that it may have been because of school busing concerns, that residents of Shoreline didn't want their kids to be sent to south Seattle instead of local schools (if you've been to Innis Arden, aka North Mercer Island, this is believable). Was this remotely accurate in why Shoreline was formed?

A lot of the incorporation wave of the late 90's was driven by an edict from the county that "thou shalt join a city or form your own" for all the urban areas it governed. They decided they didn't want to provide city level services to those places since they weren't cities.

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


Xylorjax posted:

A lot of the incorporation wave of the late 90's was driven by an edict from the county that "thou shalt join a city or form your own" for all the urban areas it governed. They decided they didn't want to provide city level services to those places since they weren't cities.

That explains my hometown of Covington. Our first city hall was in the same spot of the same building the Video Encounters used to be in.

I miss that place. 5 day game rentals for $2.50, frequent free rentals and the porn section was right next to the Genesis racks where it was easy to sneak peaks at the boxes while pretending to look at games.

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Xylorjax posted:

A lot of the incorporation wave of the late 90's was driven by an edict from the county that "thou shalt join a city or form your own" for all the urban areas it governed. They decided they didn't want to provide city level services to those places since they weren't cities.

The cities that did form because of the GMA were usually already places of strong civic identity and development.

...and then there is White Center, West Hill, Riverton, Top Hat, Fairwood, the SE Renton/NE Kent sprawl, Klahanie, Northern Kirkland, the really odd hole inside Bellevue that people live in to avoid taxes, and the east of I-5 part of Federal Way.

Which also isn't counting the parts of unincorporated King County that are potentially being annexed by cities in Pierce or Snohomish county, and the large tracts of rural KC up in the hills.

Basically all that is left, going on 25 years after KC told everyone to figure it out, is the outskirts of cities that no one wants to add to themselves because of how run-down it already is.

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune
NPR is reporting that a federal judge has just overturned Oregon's gay marriage ban.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

800peepee51doodoo posted:

NPR is reporting that a federal judge has just overturned Oregon's gay marriage ban.

Yeah, gay couples are getting hitched in OR literally right now.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

800peepee51doodoo posted:

NPR is reporting that a federal judge has just overturned Oregon's gay marriage ban.

Congrats Oregon!

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Idaho, WA, and Oregon livin in harmony, yo

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

Gerund posted:

The cities that did form because of the GMA were usually already places of strong civic identity and development.

...and then there is White Center, West Hill, Riverton, Top Hat, Fairwood, the SE Renton/NE Kent sprawl, Klahanie, Northern Kirkland, the really odd hole inside Bellevue that people live in to avoid taxes, and the east of I-5 part of Federal Way.

Which also isn't counting the parts of unincorporated King County that are potentially being annexed by cities in Pierce or Snohomish county, and the large tracts of rural KC up in the hills.

Basically all that is left, going on 25 years after KC told everyone to figure it out, is the outskirts of cities that no one wants to add to themselves because of how run-down it already is.

Are Microcities a speciality of Oregon and Washington? In the Portland metro, there is Maywood Park, Johnson City and Rivergrove, all with populations under 1000 people, and all surrounded by larger cities. Does this occur other places?

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

glowing-fish posted:

Are Microcities a speciality of Oregon and Washington? In the Portland metro, there is Maywood Park, Johnson City and Rivergrove, all with populations under 1000 people, and all surrounded by larger cities. Does this occur other places?

Boise has Garden City, I don't think any other city in the state is large enough to really encompass another city within it though.

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


It's not a PNW thing. A lot of that was done so suburban property tax didn't fund urban schools. Dallas is full of pocket cities like that.

Xylorjax
Nov 27, 2002

Also, outside of Beaux Arts Village and the points cities, both around Bellevue, I can't actually think of any pocket cities up here.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Tigntink posted:

Idaho, WA, and Oregon livin in harmony, yo

:casgaydia:

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!
It feels good to have same-sex marriage again. :unsmith:

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
In other news, there's a ban on cultivating GMO on the ballot in Jackson County.

quote:

The measure in Jackson County in southern Oregon, has drawn national attention and more than $1 million in campaign funding to the community, which has only 117,650 registered voters.

"It is drawing a lot of attention," said Jackson County Clerk Chris Walker. "There is so much buzz about it."

The ban is supported by a coalition of more than 180 farmers and community members, who have been pushing for the vote on the issue for more than two years.

Supporters say the area's organic and conventional crops are in danger of contamination by genetically engineered crops, which typically are altered to withstand pesticides or resist insect damage. They also fear widespread use of pesticides associated with the crops.

"There is overwhelming support. We expect it to pass," said Chris Hardy, a local grower of beets and swiss chard who helped start the initiative. "We are either going to choose the chemical corporations for agriculture or we are going to choose our family farms."

The ordinance in Jackson County, Oregon requires people to "harvest, destroy or remove all genetically engineered plants" within 12 months of the enactment of the ordinance.
...
A similar measure is being voted on Tuesday in neighboring Josephine County. But that measure, if passed, is expected to be challenged because it is not exempted from a 2013 law passed by the Oregon legislature that prohibits such GMO bans. Jackson County's effort was under way before that law and is exempted from it.

So can anyone tell me about this county? Is this a significant amount of agricultural production in Oregon, either in terms of space or specific crops?

Also, if they stopped spouting frankenfood bullshit and supported public research into GMOs, they wouldn't have to choose between "chemical companies" and "families farms".

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Solkanar512 posted:

In other news, there's a ban on cultivating GMO on the ballot in Jackson County.


So can anyone tell me about this county? Is this a significant amount of agricultural production in Oregon, either in terms of space or specific crops?

Also, if they stopped spouting frankenfood bullshit and supported public research into GMOs, they wouldn't have to choose between "chemical companies" and "families farms".

Apparently they're really big on pears:

http://www.co.jackson.or.us/Files/Agricultural_Lands.pdf

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Washington state had an initiative that would have simply required labeling GMO foods. Initial polls showed it had a majority support, but then a ton of money came in against it and it lost pretty handily. There's no way a straight ban on GMO crops will ever come to fruition.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

seiferguy posted:

Washington state had an initiative that would have simply required labeling GMO foods. Initial polls showed it had a majority support, but then a ton of money came in against it and it lost pretty handily. There's no way a straight ban on GMO crops will ever come to fruition.

Vermont passed a labeling law, and Mendicino County has a GMO cultivation ban.

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Seattle has a new police commissioner, announced to be Kathleen O'Toole, their first female commissioner. You may remember her from a stint with Boston PD as commissioner during the time in which the riot police murdered a reveler in late '04, where she slapped a few wrists but didn't follow up on any charges. She was also Ireland's top cop for the last 8 years and a Pattern committee member during the post-98 Belfast agreement police reforms.

reporting from The Stranger below:

quote:

This morning Mayor Ed Murray nominated former Boston police commissioner Kathleen O'Toole to become Seattle's next—and very first female—chief of police. O'Toole's confirmation is subject to an all-but-certain vote of approval by the Seattle City Council.

"I think restoring trust is going to be the biggest challenge," O'Toole told a packed house on the ground floor of City Hall. That's a fair assessment of a police department that is under a five-year federal consent decree to correct a pattern of excessive force and racially biased practices.

King 5's Lynda Byron and I both asked about the city's two police unions, which have fought reforms, and O'Toole acknowledged the challenges they pose.

"I am willing to take on that difficult fight," she said. "I need to sit down with them and see what issues are pending... I think strong lines of communication are absolutely essential." Tensions between the chief and union are inherent in any police department, she explained. But she intends to run SPD "like a business" and will act as an evenhanded manager, she said. "As far as I am concerned, we will start with clean slate." When she negotiated with police unions in Boston, O'Toole explained, "I never felt like I gave away the store, but I felt that I was fair. We had a respectful relationship."

Within minutes, an angry union cop demonstrated the entrenched vitriol of those unions.

Officer Mike Solan confronted me as the press conference wrapped up, indignant that I'd said the police unions had opposed reform. Solan said he was SWAT cop and member of the Seattle Police Officers Guild.

"How have the unions opposed reform?" Solan demanded.

I looked up from my laptop, trying to take stock of a bristling man in full police regalia, and I explained that the Seattle Police Management Association has filed a lawsuit to block the federal court monitor's reform plan and, just last week, filed another complaint to prevent the new chief from recruiting officers from outside Seattle into the top ranks. Officer Solan became agitated, saying that there were two unions and the Seattle Police Management Association wasn't the same as SPOG, which represents line officers. "You need to have evidence to back up your questions," he said. I reminded him that my question concerned both unions and noted that SPOG also filed a lawsuit to block the reform plan. Solan said these lawsuits and complaint were just my opinions and that I should stick to evidence. Asked whether the unions' litigation was an attempt to block reform or not, he stormed off and said he didn't have time to answer my questions.


Let's just say O'Toole has her work cut out for her.

Murray is asking the council to pay O'Toole a $250,000 annual salary. Council Member Bruce Harrell, chair of the public safety committee, says the council—Council Members Sally Bagshaw, Tom Rasmussen, Tim Burgess, Sally Clark, and Jean Godden were all here—hopes to wrap up O'Toole's confirmation in June.

Council President Tim Burgess says the confirmation and salary looks all but certain.

Personally, I'm happy that we're past the hiring stage and she was my most preferred of the other two, as she had been a former commissioner and was from someplace bigger than bumblefuck Arizona or bumblefuck California. Rumor has it she'll be interested in installing shoulder-cameras and coordinating with the DOJ to get the SPD out from under that little "you're a terrible police force, we are beginning the process to fire everyone involved" thingy.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
gently caress cop unions.

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Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
Well, both Jackson & Josephine counties passed their respective GMO ban measures. I'm woefully unclear on the significance; isn't this just a primary and it gets voted on again later? Or what?

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