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Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

SolTerrasa posted:

E: wait, am I remembering a *different* creepy troperfic with way too many mentions on TVTropes that had gender transformation as a fetish?

... gently caress TVTropes.

EE: Yeah, Whately was "X-Men except (thing)", not "Harry Potter except (thing)". Huh.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TalesOfMu

:tipshat:

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LaughMyselfTo
Nov 15, 2012

by XyloJW
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/MarsAttacks

Some people apparently cried at Mars Attacks!?

Lord Chumley
May 14, 2007

Embrace your destiny.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/JuggaloChampionshipWrestling

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.





Honestly, I think a general rule of thumb ought to be that at least 50% of a given work's entries on its' Tear Jerker/Nightmare Fuel page could be summed up as tropers really squinting in on something that's never really said (or only implied at), making up a ton of the most depressing possible explanations they can think of, then basically going "really makes you think, huh?"

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

sweeperbravo posted:

This is a great term.

The word is Fremdscham.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Improbable Lobster posted:

How many straight edge kids does it take to finish a 6 pack?

One, but only if no one's looking.

But he wasn't a really special snowflake like me. :colbert:

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Tunicate posted:

The word is Fremdscham.

I'm so glad that word has been adopted into the English language.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

DStecks posted:

Which is dumb anyway, because Freddie Mercury.

There is an honest-to-goodness conspiracy theory propagated by a writer and homophobic lunatic from Russia named M. H. Ahundova which claims that Freddie wasn't gay or bisexual at all, but a God-fearing paragon of heterosexuality chosen to be an AIDS martyr by a sinister gay conspriacy headed by his doctor and Elton John.

You can find the pdf online but I'd advise against it. It's the most wretched screed.

LaserBaconMan
Jan 13, 2014

Metal Loaf posted:

There is an honest-to-goodness conspiracy theory propagated by a writer and homophobic lunatic from Russia named M. H. Ahundova which claims that Freddie wasn't gay or bisexual at all, but a God-fearing paragon of heterosexuality chosen to be an AIDS martyr by a sinister gay conspriacy headed by his doctor and Elton John.

You can find the pdf online but I'd advise against it. It's the most wretched screed.

oh god i actually know what you're talking about


Some kid who sat beside me in class a few years back loved to parrot around insane conspiracy theories, that being one of them. He also believed that Obama was a Reptilian and that 9/11 was an inside job. :allears:

In hindsight he may have had a mental disorder. Hope he got/gets help. :ohdear:

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

LaserBaconMan posted:

Some kid who sat beside me in class a few years back loved to parrot around insane conspiracy theories, that being one of them. He also believed that Obama was a Reptilian and that 9/11 was an inside job.

Finally, an excuse to post this.

So I took a bromance all the way to prove a point to a friend posted:

You guys, last night. It was unbelievable.
There are certain moments in internet history that go down in legend. Densha Otoko. Encyclopedia Dramatica's Last Stand. But that's all to do with online stuff.
Let me tell you how I got my gay friend who's my equal in offline trolling to take our bromance all the way to prove a point. I kissed a boy, yes, but sadly due to his scratchy beard, I neither liked it or knew it was meant to be. The make out session I gave him cemented my comfort with heterosexuality loud and clear, since after that it occurred to me that the main appeal of gay relationships was really me and Scratchy Mc Beard's shared love of trolling people offline and an appreciation of the girliest media and television shows known to man. Because I bothered to kiss a dude, I now know that I was never in this for the sex, it was the trolling and mutual respect of fashion divas that made our bromance work all along.
But enough of the teaser trailer, here's why this happened to begin with.
Scratchy Mc Beard here is a gay man who is trollish enough to grope people, man or woman in public because he's like that. I'd tried to get it into his head that while I was totally cool with his watching Real Housewives of the OC, the groping had to stop. In a previous bar encounter during a dance floor booty shaking session, I gave the first booty grope I gave to anyone, man or woman, to Scratchy Mc Beard, because if you're gonna grope another person's booty for the first time in your life... it's best to do it... with a friend.
But sadly even my gesture of booty groping of him to turn the tables on him didn't work, because instead of being horrified that a fellow troll was willing to grab his arse to prove a point, he was moved, utterly... moved, that a straight man would give his first booty grope to his might as well be best friend since in RL I barely know a lot of people, and he's the most regular human I see in my life other than my parents and twin brother.
So when I went to this party at Scratchy's friends' new pad, I decided that after two hours of waiting around before realising the TV didn't work, and my other friend Cooper would not be able to see Southland Tales like he so desired to the point he made bold claims to suggest it was like The Fifth Element, I got a little bored being the only sober man around and decided, "gently caress me, I gotta resolve this Unresolved Sexual Tension once and for all so I know for sure whether Scratchy was the man of my dreams all along and I was chasing women like a fool in denial!".
So Scratchy was dancing by himself with a Coke can in his hand, he drained it and put it in the bin. What happened after that changed both our lives forever.
The last thing I said to him before I pounced on him was "Scratchy (name withheld), let's get this over with." I then proceeded to grab him, in front of my horrified twin brother who looked on in awe, in front of the few friends I possessed whose jaws dropped to the floor, and make out with Scratchy's mouth as he wriggled to escape from what was essentially a game of gay chicken he didn't realise he just lost.
When we parted lips, he seemed to get the message that his constant groping of people had consequences. These consequences included, as he discovered to his horror, the ability for any formerly groped individual touched by him to turn the tables on him and proceed to violate him instead.
I'm not a rapey guy, I'd never force myself on any man, or woman - but this was a case where I had to make out with one of my best gay friends to prove a point. I didn't do it to be trendy like Katy Perry, I didn't do it for money while Yaoi Fangirls showered me with dollar bills, I did it because I respected my gay friend enough to tell him loud and clear what it felt like for his friends who sometimes felt uncomfortable with his groping people.
I did it with my mouth and very few words were uttered to drill that message in.
Afterwards, he was still my friend, as were all my other friends, because now strangely enough when me and Scratchy hang out now we got that awkward make out session off the bucket list, both our lives can go on as normal knowing neither of us despite our epic bromance are compatible with each other sexually.
I also noticed that a mere two hours afterwards, he's been groping people a lot less now.
I did not give the first kiss I'd have with any human being to my best gay friend in vain.
It was for the greater good, and I've done some good work here. Maybe now he won't grab people we know at the train station late at night when cops could be passing by.
It was one of the greatest Saturday nights of my life. I don't regret it for a second.
:psyboom:

TheManFromFOXHOUND
Nov 5, 2011

My first kiss was with my gay best friend, no homo.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

TheManFromFOXHOUND posted:

My first kiss was with my gay best friend, no homo.

But did it teach him a lesson?

Alpacalips Now
Oct 4, 2013

The best Saturday night of this guy's life involved spending two hours waiting for a TV to work, and then sexually assaulting someone in front of all of his friends and his twin brother. This is going to take awhile to sink in...

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

What bothers me most about that whole ???? is his use of 'trolling'. Apparently just being annoying is trolling? Though now that I type this out, that is what someone who's insufferable enough to talk about themselves 'trolling' would think constitutes trolling.

Ha ha slapped you on the butt TROLLED SO HARD

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...


The worst part of Tvtropes is that their obsession with treating fetish want material the same as any other work is that someone sees something spammed across multiple pages (Because it's some guy's wanking material) and think "this must be pretty good" so it's read and it's just horrible.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Welp that's just terrible.

quote:

Tales of MU is an online erotic prose fiction series. Originally described by the author as an experiment in using LiveJournal to promote her stories, it has since taken on a life of its own. The first four plotlines have been collected into self-published print editions.

The story revolves around the life of Mackenzie "Mack" Blaise, a self-hating half-demon student at Magisterius University, a college of enchantment in an alternate universe where Dungeons & Dragons-style fantasy and magic exist in place of modern technology. While not quite a deconstruction, it makes frequent joking allusions to common tropes of fantasy gaming.

The story, at least for the first half or so of the first year's chapters, frequently veers off into sexual territory, arguably at the expense of the plot, but usually by offering a different take on a difficult or sensitive topic. For instance, the second book offered Mackenzie's attempt to describe in first-person narrative her first orgasm, without her realizing that's what she was having. Overall, the sexual content has become much less frequent, but when it shows up, it does so with gusto.

Razorwired
Dec 7, 2008

It's about to start!

Dr Pepper posted:

The worst part of Tvtropes is that their obsession with treating fetish want material the same as any other work is that someone sees something spammed across multiple pages (Because it's some guy's wanking material) and think "this must be pretty good" so it's read and it's just horrible.

My favorite part of this is the way all wank material is said to get really good about 3 chapters/episodes after you become completely disgusted.

Haven't read it but the poster/cover skeeved you out? Well you haven't read it so you don't know about how it's really deep and meaningful.

Read 2 chapters/watched an episode? Well in Chapter 5/Episode 6 it really takes off and gets good.

Read the whole thing? Well, you don't HAVE to read or watch it if it's beyond you.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Razorwired posted:

My favorite part of this is the way all wank material is said to get really good about 3 chapters/episodes after you become completely disgusted.

Haven't read it but the poster/cover skeeved you out? Well you haven't read it so you don't know about how it's really deep and meaningful.

Read 2 chapters/watched an episode? Well in Chapter 5/Episode 6 it really takes off and gets good.

Read the whole thing? Well, you don't HAVE to read or watch it if it's beyond you.

ah, the Madoka Excuse

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Alouicious posted:

ah, the Madoka Excuse

Not really because it's p.much true when used for madoka. It's more their kodomo no jikan excuse.

Not read any? "you can't judge it if you don't read it"
Read a little and are obviously disgusted? "no it gets really deep and emotional soon just stick with it"
Read it all and wish you were dead? "I guess you just didn't look beyond the CP to see what a deep and involved story it is"

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Yeah, Madoka actually does suffer from a painfully dull first three episodes.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012



What the hell is a Madoka. Seriously, how is it that goons always all know what loving (what I assume is) anime other goons are talking about. That being said, this forum is why I know about attack on titan, which is the best thing ever.

E: Is it the one with the little girls and the witch monster things. I feel like someone linked a clip of it once.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Namtab posted:

Not read any? "you can't judge it if you don't read it"
Read a little and are obviously disgusted? "no it gets really deep and emotional soon just stick with it"
Read it all and wish you were dead? "I guess you just didn't look beyond the CP to see what a deep and involved story it is"

You forgot the fourth response which applies equally to the previous three:

"You're obviously an anti-Japanese racist prude."

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Little Blackfly posted:

E: Is it the one with the little girls and the witch monster things. I feel like someone linked a clip of it once.

Yeah, it's the dark take on magic girl shows. Tropers (and some goons) call it a deconstruction, naturally.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Madoka is pretty good. A little over-rated but whatever.

Also I was gonna sat that "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" was one of TvTropes's few real contributions to the lexicon, but apparently Nathan Rabin coined it, so no need to give them credit.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Basically the more TvTropes tries to claim an anime is deep or meaningful the worse it is. The number of lovely pseudoporn titles they claim are full of depth and plot is astounding.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Some anims are deep and meaningful.

Most are adverts for mangas, games or light novels.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
I think the problem is that when anime is the only media they consume, it legitimately seems that way to them because they don't have anything else to compare it to.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
It's mainly bad for them because they're cutting themselves off from some pretty great stuff.

There's nothing wrong with cooling off with airport fantasy or cheesy Shonen anime, but you kind of have to watch or read better stuff to get some real perspective and not look silly. And the problem is, you kind of have to do it with an open mind, which is hard for a lot of picky nerds allergic to trying new things.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
There's also that they mistakenly believe being deep is an important or rare trait in the first place. Plenty of things are deep without being any good.

Alien Arcana
Feb 14, 2012

You're related to soup, Admiral.

Install Windows posted:

Plenty of things are deep without being any good.

And plenty of things are good without being very deep, which is also a mistake they frequently make!

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Namtab posted:

Some anims are deep and meaningful.

Most are adverts for mangas, games or light novels.

Very few animes that tropers like are deep or good, and if they are one they generally aren't the other.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




PresidentBeard posted:

Very few animes that tropers like are deep or good, and if they are one they generally aren't the other.

I'll cop to being a massive fan of Evangelion, but even I'll admit that tropers heap quite a bit of praise on it that it doesn't really deserve. While there's a fair bit of stuff it did really well (I.E. the last third or so), there's others parts where it really stumbled, like the first few episodes when Asuka was introduced.

Except for the one where they beat an Angel with synchronized dancing in their robots, of course. :colbert:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
If I ever have to hear the word "Deconstruction" again, I'll have TvTropes to blame for it. In their minds a Deconstruction is simply taking a concept and turning it super dark and edgy. Most don't seem to understand that a work needs to understand the concept before they can start picking it apart. You can't just write a Sailor Moon or Pokemon fanfiction, throw in tits and blood and declare "Deconstruction!" like it somehow makes you intelligent.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


Did you know that TvTropes does board games too?

Yah do now!

...Actually, not that bad a discription. It's really...

quote:

Not to be confused with the popular Warcraft fanfic.

gently caress.

quote:

Love Dodecahedron: With wars and alliances instead of hate or love relationships. It's worse because instead of A < B > C > D < E <> F, everybody has some kind of relationship with almost everybody else.

-And Heaven help you when there really are mixed genders at the table who are willing to flirt to win.

Fuuuuuuck

quote:

Butt Monkey: Austria is trapped between Germany, Russia, Italy and Turkey, and right next to contested Supply Points. Austria tends to die early.

True...

quote:

Turkey

Heterosexual Life-Partners: with Russia
-This references the infamous "Juggernaut" strategy. This has received criticism of late for being easily predicted and having too much advantage toward Russia for it to be a good deal for Turkey

Again, loving tropers

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

quote:

Love Dodecahedron: With wars and alliances instead of hate or love relationships. It's worse because instead of A < B > C > D < E <> F, everybody has some kind of relationship with almost everybody else.

-And Heaven help you when there really are mixed genders at the table who are willing to flirt to win.

That's not a love dodecahedron then.

quote:

This references the infamous "Juggernaut" strategy. This has received criticism of late for being easily predicted and having too much advantage toward Russia for it to be a good deal for Turkey
"Of late" being like the past decade or so.


Diplomacy is fun tho

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y



The lack of a Tanto Cuore entry is the most surprising thing I've seen on the site.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Madoka is actually bad and somehow manages to get worse after the first three episodes and it was made by a guy who makes TVTropes look sane and reasonable aight peace

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Alouicious posted:

Madoka is actually bad and somehow manages to get worse after the first three episodes and it was made by a guy who makes TVTropes look sane and reasonable aight peace

Having a negative opinion of an anime is only a little bit better than having a positive one.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Alouicious posted:

Madoka is actually bad and somehow manages to get worse after the first three episodes and it was made by a guy who makes TVTropes look sane and reasonable aight peace

okay

So anyway this page is fun, because you know there have been problems with each, and every, trope here.

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Wes Warhammer
Oct 19, 2012

:sueme:

My favorite part of that is how they list Almost Kiss as "too depressing"

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